Impact of the Russia-Ukraine war

dragracer567 · 27th February 2022, 14:22

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Originally Posted by Samurai

Meanwhile, another war has been running for 7+ years with quarter million dead, and 20 million displaced. And we don't even have a thread on it.

https://www.firstpost.com/world/heav...-10161171.html

Well, as much as we would deny it, the impact of war is not measured with how many people get killed or property damage but rather how much the rest of the world would be affected by it. Yemen is a faraway distant country for most people and given its geography, the Yemeni people can't pour into other countries as refugees as is the case for Syria which makes the war even more distant. So, no one really cares that Yemeni civilians are pounded every day by Western-made F15 and Eurofighter jets, which should infuriate anyone! Meanwhile, Ukraine is right next to Europe and given its industrial base is very important for the global supply chains (our own AN-32s and the gas turbines of all our destroyers including the latest ones are Ukrainian).

Also, sadly, the richer/influential you are, the more others care about you when you are in trouble whether you are a person or a country

PS Maybe its just me being cynical!

Samurai · 27th February 2022, 14:54

USA considers NATO expansion as part of spreading Liberal Hegemony...

But, is liberal hegemony a good thing?

https://youtu.be/ESwIVY2oimI

CarNerd · 27th February 2022, 16:07

Something funny: Taliban statement on Russian Invasion:

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Ukraine Tweet:

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AltoLXI · 27th February 2022, 18:10

Looks like Russia is going to lose this. Did their calculations all go wrong?

The losses they have incurring, militarily, at least based on what is being reported in the MSM and social media sites, is not going to help achieve what they set to at the start of the war. Adding to that, the astronomical financial costs they are going to incur, will Russia survive this?

thanixravindran · 27th February 2022, 19:09

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Originally Posted by AltoLXI

Looks like Russia is going to lose this. Did their calculations all go wrong?

The losses they have incurring, militarily, at least based on what is being reported in the MSM and social media sites, is not going to help achieve what they set to at the start of the war. Adding to that, the astronomical financial costs they are going to incur, will Russia survive this?

Yes, I am also puzzled on the way the invasion is going or the information that is available. I could not guess what the military objective of this invasion would have been. Of course, it won't be in public domain but if it is only disarming Ukraine, I believe Russia would have declared victory by now.

Or if it is to dismember Ukraine, only the eastern part should have been targeted.

Installing a friendly regime is not that simple in Kiev unless you have already groomed anyone politically (with a divided country) or any rebel militia (apart from eastern Ukraine).

In the absence of all this and a war that prolongs beyond a week, it may very well end up as a disaster for Russia.

aim120 · 27th February 2022, 19:27

Russia ground forces is going easy on Ukraine. They do not fire without being fired open.
They are allowing civilians to walk or drive right next to them.
Compare that to the US forces in iraq any vehicle or person that comes close to US convoy during the invasion was taken out.

Russia can easily destroy the ukraine military but it will have to do a US style scorched earth method. Which russians are unwilling to do at this point of time.

CEF_Beasts · 27th February 2022, 19:56

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Originally Posted by CEF_Beasts

The world's largest aircraft the Antonov An-225 cargo plane, the only one in the world is in Hostomel airport near Kyiv (Antonov International Airport / the Antonov's airfield base).

Official statement by Antonov:

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Reference picture of the An-225:

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As of 24th Feb according to the pilot of this plane Dimitri Antonov, it was intact.

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The plane has been damaged

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comfortablynumb · 27th February 2022, 20:35

Slowly but surely, Putin seems to be losing it, as evidenced by this move.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/world...20378-amp.html

IIRC, the last time this had happened (other than exercises) was as a result of Operation Able Archer in 1983.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Able_Archer_83

I just hope better sense prevails amongst his aides before he goes over the edge.

BoneCollector · 27th February 2022, 20:51

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Originally Posted by CEF_Beasts

The plane has been damaged

A sad day for aviation.

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joe1980 · 27th February 2022, 20:52

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Originally Posted by comfortablynumb

Slowly but surely, Putin seems to be losing it, as evidenced by this move.

I just hope better sense prevails amongst his aides before he goes over the edge.

Apparently not. Thankfully until now, Russia seems not to be showing aggressiveness in its attack. Just heard the news that there is going to be some sort of talks between Ukraine and Russia along the Belarusian border. I hope that these talks result in some agreement that would put an end to the situation right now.

fhdowntheline · 27th February 2022, 20:57

One of the biggest weapons in modern warfare is organized propaganda. That too in a universally accessible language like English. Both Russia and China lack that.

DIY410 · 27th February 2022, 21:17

Indian students beaten up by Ukrainen armed forces. There is video of it on reddit.
https://www.deccanherald.com/nationa...r-1085591.html

PM Modi told Putin on friday that they have 18k students in Ukraine, mostly in Kviy.
So are Ukraine using them as human shields. Knowing Putin won't attack as long as Indians are there.

I mean this is Ukraine run by a comedian.
https://metro.co.uk/2022/02/25/man-w...lies-16176793/

sierrabravo98 · 27th February 2022, 21:29

1.) IMHO, Russia's invasion is not going slow at all. It's been what, 72 hours since the invasion officially started? The fight is already at the capital of the country with the 2nd largest country already captured. Moreover, from what I have read online (I am not sure about this one as I don't know much about armour ops), the terrain lying on the axes of invasion offers natural obstacles to any invasion force. Members who have armour experience (some of whom are active on this thread) can elucidate a bit on this aspect.

Compare this to the US invasion of Iraq and the time they took to reach Baghdad. Though I believe that it might not be an exact comparison as the Americans were supposedly using different tactics (more scorched earth?) than the Russians.

2.) Some accounts have been popping up about the deliberate mistreatment of Indian students by Ukrainian border guards due to the stance adopted by India at the UNSC (UN Security Council). I don't know if it just plain-old misinformation but very disturbing if true. I pray that better sense prevails upon the Ukrainians before hurting students who have no skin in the game.

3.) Some OSINT (Open Source Intel) accounts have been reporting that the Russians have been authorised the use of thermobaric weapons in response to the use of phosphorus weapons (I understand there is an ambiguity whether WP weapons are actually prohibited for military use under the Chemical Weapons Covention depending on the purpose of their use) on Russian troops outside of Kiev.

4.) The sheer scale of the disinformation campaign mounted by the entire west (Governments+major social media platforms) by either pushing fake news (the so-called Serpent/Snake Island last stand) or the suppression of news from the Russian side is dizzying and surpasses Pakistani propaganda witnessed in 1971 (Dawn publishing winning news on the day of(after?) surrender of Dhaka). This ought to prepare Indians of what may be awaiting us if we ever act contrary to the directions of the west.

Fuldagap · 27th February 2022, 21:45

No amount of disinformation can change the real outcome. It could hamper the actual thing going on a tad but that's it.

During the six day war, Nasser had the whole Egypt believe that he had been crushing the Israelis. Consequently, the other arabs actively or otherwise involved in the war believed that too. So much so that when Jordan's king asked Nasser over call that his radars based in the hilly city of Ajloun had picked activity in the air from Israeli side, Nasser had him convinced too that all's well and under control. Jordan could have halted Israel making history on day one, but thanks to dis/mis information by Nasser we all read about the war as one of the best case studies in warfare ever, especially tank warfare.

The dis/mis information was so much that in one famously captured incident, Egyptian civilians were recorded cheering the death of soldiers in an armoured vehicle thinking they were Israeli bodies. They were not, they were their own soldiers, charred so much that nobody could tell.

That was 1967, today it is much easier to propagate false information. The outcome will let know what's really going on. And that will definitely take a while.

bhppower · 27th February 2022, 22:18

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Originally Posted by Fuldagap

No amount of disinformation can change the real outcome. It could hamper the actual thing going on a tad but that's it.

During the six day war, Nasser had the whole Egypt believe that he had been crushing the Israelis. Consequently, the other arabs actively or otherwise involved in the war believed that too. So much so that when Jordan's king asked Nasser over call that his radars based in the hilly city of Ajloun had picked activity in the air from Israeli side, Nasser had him convinced too that all's well and under control. Jordan could have halted Israel making history on day one, but thanks to dis/mis information by Nasser we all read about the war as one of the best case studies in warfare ever, especially tank warfare.

The dis/mis information was so much that in one famously captured incident, Egyptian civilians were recorded cheering the death of soldiers in an armoured vehicle thinking they were Israeli bodies. They were not, they were their own soldiers, charred so much that nobody could tell.

That was 1967, today it is much easier to propagate false information. The outcome will let know what's really going on. And that will definitely take a while.

With most social media companies control by anti russian countries there would be very less news coming from Russian side and progress they are making.

On twitter you will see same video of Russian armed force vehicles destroyed 100s of times and same video os russian captured soldier. So it seems a well planned social propaganda.

Today's biggest news was -- World's biggest plane destroyed by Russia.

https://www.businesstoday.in/trendin...126-2022-02-27

It hurts to see such a beast destroyed. Not sure whether anyone will now manufacture similar one (after failure of A380)

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27th February 2022, 18:10	#259
AltoLXI BHPian Join Date: May 2008 Location: Bengaluru Posts: 422 Thanked: 1,666 Times	Re: Impact of the Russia-Ukraine war Looks like Russia is going to lose this. Did their calculations all go wrong? The losses they have incurring, militarily, at least based on what is being reported in the MSM and social media sites, is not going to help achieve what they set to at the start of the war. Adding to that, the astronomical financial costs they are going to incur, will Russia survive this?
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aim120 BANNED Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: bangalore Posts: 788 Thanked: 2,499 Times	Re: Impact of the Russia-Ukraine war Russia ground forces is going easy on Ukraine. They do not fire without being fired open. They are allowing civilians to walk or drive right next to them. Compare that to the US forces in iraq any vehicle or person that comes close to US convoy during the invasion was taken out. Russia can easily destroy the ukraine military but it will have to do a US style scorched earth method. Which russians are unwilling to do at this point of time.
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27th February 2022, 20:35	#263
comfortablynumb Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Pune Posts: 2,044 Thanked: 3,455 Times	Re: Impact of the Russia-Ukraine war Slowly but surely, Putin seems to be losing it, as evidenced by this move. https://www.hindustantimes.com/world...20378-amp.html IIRC, the last time this had happened (other than exercises) was as a result of Operation Able Archer in 1983. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Able_Archer_83 I just hope better sense prevails amongst his aides before he goes over the edge. Last edited by comfortablynumb : 27th February 2022 at 20:36.
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fhdowntheline Senior - BHPian Join Date: Sep 2019 Location: Pune Posts: 2,495 Thanked: 7,474 Times	Re: Impact of the Russia-Ukraine war One of the biggest weapons in modern warfare is organized propaganda. That too in a universally accessible language like English. Both Russia and China lack that. Last edited by fhdowntheline : 27th February 2022 at 20:58.
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27th February 2022, 21:17	#267
DIY410 BHPian Join Date: Oct 2018 Location: Bangalore Posts: 116 Thanked: 769 Times	Re: Impact of the Russia-Ukraine war Indian students beaten up by Ukrainen armed forces. There is video of it on reddit. https://www.deccanherald.com/nationa...r-1085591.html PM Modi told Putin on friday that they have 18k students in Ukraine, mostly in Kviy. So are Ukraine using them as human shields. Knowing Putin won't attack as long as Indians are there. I mean this is Ukraine run by a comedian. https://metro.co.uk/2022/02/25/man-w...lies-16176793/
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27th February 2022, 21:29	#268
sierrabravo98 BANNED Join Date: Jan 2021 Location: New Delhi Posts: 285 Thanked: 1,998 Times	Re: Impact of the Russia-Ukraine war 1.) IMHO, Russia's invasion is not going slow at all. It's been what, 72 hours since the invasion officially started? The fight is already at the capital of the country with the 2nd largest country already captured. Moreover, from what I have read online (I am not sure about this one as I don't know much about armour ops), the terrain lying on the axes of invasion offers natural obstacles to any invasion force. Members who have armour experience (some of whom are active on this thread) can elucidate a bit on this aspect. Compare this to the US invasion of Iraq and the time they took to reach Baghdad. Though I believe that it might not be an exact comparison as the Americans were supposedly using different tactics (more scorched earth?) than the Russians. 2.) Some accounts have been popping up about the deliberate mistreatment of Indian students by Ukrainian border guards due to the stance adopted by India at the UNSC (UN Security Council). I don't know if it just plain-old misinformation but very disturbing if true. I pray that better sense prevails upon the Ukrainians before hurting students who have no skin in the game. 3.) Some OSINT (Open Source Intel) accounts have been reporting that the Russians have been authorised the use of thermobaric weapons in response to the use of phosphorus weapons (I understand there is an ambiguity whether WP weapons are actually prohibited for military use under the Chemical Weapons Covention depending on the purpose of their use) on Russian troops outside of Kiev. 4.) The sheer scale of the disinformation campaign mounted by the entire west (Governments+major social media platforms) by either pushing fake news (the so-called Serpent/Snake Island last stand) or the suppression of news from the Russian side is dizzying and surpasses Pakistani propaganda witnessed in 1971 (Dawn publishing winning news on the day of(after?) surrender of Dhaka). This ought to prepare Indians of what may be awaiting us if we ever act contrary to the directions of the west. Last edited by sierrabravo98 : 27th February 2022 at 21:30.
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27th February 2022, 21:45	#269
Fuldagap BHPian Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: -- Posts: 256 Thanked: 1,296 Times	Re: Impact of the Russia-Ukraine war No amount of disinformation can change the real outcome. It could hamper the actual thing going on a tad but that's it. During the six day war, Nasser had the whole Egypt believe that he had been crushing the Israelis. Consequently, the other arabs actively or otherwise involved in the war believed that too. So much so that when Jordan's king asked Nasser over call that his radars based in the hilly city of Ajloun had picked activity in the air from Israeli side, Nasser had him convinced too that all's well and under control. Jordan could have halted Israel making history on day one, but thanks to dis/mis information by Nasser we all read about the war as one of the best case studies in warfare ever, especially tank warfare. The dis/mis information was so much that in one famously captured incident, Egyptian civilians were recorded cheering the death of soldiers in an armoured vehicle thinking they were Israeli bodies. They were not, they were their own soldiers, charred so much that nobody could tell. That was 1967, today it is much easier to propagate false information. The outcome will let know what's really going on. And that will definitely take a while.
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