[Candy$Cars]

Hello BHPians,
We have a BS4 Diesel Harrier.
My family wants to visit the International Trade Fair tomorrow. We are planning to park the car in a mall (Pacific Mall in Sahibabad) in Ghaziabad and then take the Metro into Delhi.

Is the ban on BS4 diesels strictly enforced in Ghaziabad? Or should we carry out the plan?

[Eddy]

Originally Posted by Candy$Cars

Hello BHPians,
We have a BS4 Diesel Harrier.
My family wants to visit the International Trade Fair tomorrow. We are planning to park the car in a mall (Pacific Mall in Sahibabad) in Ghaziabad and then take the Metro into Delhi.

?

Why do you want to take a 20k risk for a few hundreds of Uber till the metro station?

In Delhi at least, the ban is being strictly enforced.

[Candy$Cars]

Originally Posted by Eddy

Why do you want to take a 20k risk for a few hundreds of Uber till the metro station?

In Delhi at least, the ban is being strictly enforced.

I should have clarified above, we are not in Ghaziabad. We will be coming from a nearby town and so taking the car is necessary.

[SLK]

Originally Posted by himanshu_trikha

Hope this NGT hires someone to carry out the analysis of carbon emissions in a New Car manufacturing and delivery process versus hypothesis to continue running the old one ,how the odds would be.

Analysis? All analysis is the world are funded by someone, and to prove exactly what they were funded for.

I fear the life of BS 4 petrol is also less than 10years in NCR because they will start banning it as a part of GARP III someday.

NCR is the biggest vehicle market, imagine the forced demand.

According to my eyes and nose based analysis!! The biggest polluting objects on road are commercial vehicles, whether allowed in the name of essential services or not, and two wheelers, mostly poorly maintained and smoking away to glory. Vote bank in a democracy will never allow focus on them.

[SLK]

GRAP III Revoked

https://www.business-standard.com/am...2800874_1.html

[Vis2249696]

Hello owners based in New Delhi,

I am eyeing at a preowned Ameo to puchase in New Delhi. Its 2019 Ameo trendline diesel-BSIV. I liked the car and had delivery scheduled for tomorrow, but just got to know about GRAP-3 restrictions effective from Nov 15 2024. I am confused now. Should I wait till the restrictions are lifted? Should I drop the plan of buying this good car since it's a diesel and look for a better petrol option? I will be based in Delhi for next one year, the plan is to get this transferred to my home state Karnataka and use it there later on.

[mukeshgoel]

GRAP-4 and GRAP-3 have been revoked with immediate effect.

5. The Sub-Committee, accordingly, hereby decides to revoke with
immediate effect, its orders dated 17.11.2024 and 14.11.2024 respectively,
for invoking actions under Stage-lV ('severe+' Air Quality) and stage-lll
('severe'Air Quality) of the GRAP.

6. Actions under Stage-l & ll of the GRAP shall however remain invoked
and be implemented, monitored and reviewed by all the agencies concerned
in the cntire NCR to ensure that the AQI levels do not slip further. All
implementing agencies shall keep strict vigil and especially intensify
measures under Stage-I & II of GRAP.

[batish]

This year I suppose they did everything to control the pollution. Still they achieved zero.

So now a vehicle whose taxes were paid for 15 years can't be driven for more than 10. Even in those 10 there are restrictions, if one plies in December/January then the ride costs 20k and to top it off this rule can be enforced at any point of the day. So if one takes their vehicle to office in the morning they aren't supposed to bring that back.

Well done judiciary. Well done! So thoughtful. Leaders were already assumed to be crooks and with these kind of judgements, you've just earned my respect.



I believe after a certain age one just starts blabbering random orders. A rational mind always analyses the results from past trends. This 10 year rule has been in place for a decade now. By that logic, AQI should have been in single digits now but thanks to these orders we're just shy of landing in severe category.
Nobody. I repeat nobody in the position who orders these bans ask the previous record as to how successful they were.

Just found this online, wanted to share it here:

Twitter Kalesh for Challan

[volkman10]

Hit by pollution, Delhi plans a radical EV switch.

The Delhi government has raised the stakes in its fight against air pollution, unveiling the proposed Electric Vehicle (EV) Policy 2.0, which targets 95% of all new vehicle registrations to be electric by 2027.

- As of early 2025, over 300,000 EVs are registered, supported by 4,793 charging points—a number the government aims to expand to 18,000 by 2026.

- Electric buses have been a flagship success, with over 2,000 currently operational, accounting for a significant portion of the city’s public transit fleet. The target is a total of 11,000 buses by 2026, including 8,000 e-buses, phasing out 90% of CNG-powered buses by year-end.

-Two- and three-wheelers, critical to Delhi’s transport ecosystem, have also seen electrification, with incentives driving a shift in commercial fleets like delivery services. By late 2024, EVs comprised nearly 20% of new vehicle registrations, a testament to subsidies, tax waivers, and campaigns like Switch Delhi.

-The shift threatens traditional automotive players. Fuel stations and mechanics tied to internal combustion engines face disruption unless they pivot to EV, as the number of ICE vehicles will decline continuously. While there could be job growth in EV servicing, this could lead to a rocky transition for legacy businesses.

- The leap to 95% EV adoption by 2027 is ambitious. The first is that charging infrastructure, while growing, remains unevenly distributed, with rural and outer Delhi areas underserved. The power grid faces strain, requiring upgrades and integration with renewable energy to sustain demand.

Link:

[v1p3r]

This thread is hilarious by virtue of the news that gets reposted here. No offence to any of the posters.

[am1m]

Originally Posted by v1p3r

This thread is hilarious by virtue of the news that gets reposted here. No offence to any of the posters.

v1p3r, you know I have a lot of respect for your views on this critical issue, since you work in this area. And I think I get your frustration with the inaction and posturing from the government on this matter.

But, and this is just a suggestion/request, perhaps some easy-to-follow posts here would help?

Posts that cut through the simplistic 'AQI numbers-reporting' that the media does, and instead covers the nuance. Measures that we can take to somehow mitigate the effects of air pollution at a personal level. Even stating the stark realities, how bad is the situation in each of our cities? What are the stats wrt to possible health effects on us and our kids. That might shake us up into action. Just a thought, of course depending on your time and inclination. I think that would really help. Thanks in advance for your time.

[v1p3r]

Thanks for your post. Yes, you are right - I am hugely frustrated. I met someone from the previous Delhi govt - a fancy man with degrees from abroad who was a 'policy advisor' - and offered him free help and all kinds of data, to help Delhi. After a meeting in which he made all the right noises, he ignored my emails and messages for six months. Then I gave up. I realised that all this talk is eyewash, and no one cares. The rich will go from clean house to clean car to clean office, and back. Kids who play outdoors will suffer, and the poor have no choice but to suffer. The fact that Delhi's kids have 30% lower lung capacity than other places doesn't seem to matter.

Just to give you an idea, the govt of India has apportioned billions of dollars to clean up our air, and done so with absolutely bonafide intentions. However, the army of self-proclaimed 'experts' and 'researchers', coupled with incumbent 'engineers' in pollution-control boards, all of whom form an invincible cartel, will ensure that no amount of money will ever make any difference. After all this time and money spent, air quality is WORSE than ever. This must be the only field in which 'experts' fail so well!

Originally Posted by am1m

But, and this is just a suggestion/request, perhaps some easy-to-follow posts here would help?
Measures that we can take to somehow mitigate the effects of air pollution at a personal level. Even stating the stark realities, how bad is the situation in each of our cities? What are the stats wrt to possible health effects on us and our kids. That might shake us up into action. Just a thought, of course depending on your time and inclination. I think that would really help. Thanks in advance for your time.

Unfortunately, save for wearing a mask at all times outdoors, and using air purifiers indoors, you can't do much at an individual level. You can possibly move to a cleaner part of India- Bangalore is currently the same AQI as London - but that has a bunch of socioeconomic implications and costs that not everyone can afford.

I believe that someone (possibly you) had asked me what I would do if I were to end air pollution once and for all. It's a great thought exercise that I have sometimes gone through, and when I get some time I'll pen my thoughts down.

I've added some basic research on the effects / costs. This is slightly dated, in that the figures for India have gotten worse. The average life expectancy decrease in Delhi is now 12.9 years, IIRC.