[shankar.balan]

all the best in your practice sessions
please ensure you practice preferably on an open ground and NOT on the public roads/ streets.
what libran said is absolutely right - the accelerator needs to be pressed a tad to keep the engine at a slightly higher rev/rpm than the normal idling speed in order to avoid stalling/ engine dying.
it is only a bit of co-ordination which will come with some amount of practice.
cheers

Originally Posted by nikhilthemacho

@Shankar.Balan. Oh, ok. Now I get it. Will definitely practice it and let you know how I am doing on it. Thank you once again for the genuinely helpful advice, all of you.

[VikrantD]

Originally Posted by Samurai

Sorry Dude, it is you who has to recheck. I remember the lessons well from my 1993 NJ driving test, in fact I had to frequently use it.

Read this: How to Park on a Hill | eHow.com

Absolutely perfect !!! That's exactly what I learned from my Illinois driving test back in 2003.

[wild child]

Hi all

I know that TBHP is bubbling with petroheads. Still i would like to share a few tips on the art of parking your car in a slope.

1. In nose up condition ( vehicle standing up hill ) :-
a. Apply the foundation brake.
b. In this condtion, apply the parking brake fully and then release the
foundation brake.
c. Then engage the first gear of the vehicle.
d. Steer the vehicle in the direction where there is a wall / hill etc and
then switch off the engine.
e. Get out of the car and place the wheel stopper behind the rear
wheel which is closer to the wall / hill.

2. In nose down condition ( vehicle standing down hill ) :-
a. Apply the foundation brake.
b. In this condtion, apply the parking brake fully and then release the
foundation brake.
c. Then engage the reverse gear of the vehicle.
d. Steer the vehicle in the direction where there is a wall / hill etc and
then switch off the engine.
e. Get out of the car and place the wheel stopper infront of the rear
wheel which is closer to the wall / hill.

Hope this will be useful .

Mods :- Incase this is a repeat thread, requesting you to delete or merge with the appropriate thread.

cheers

[ArunV]

Originally Posted by wild child

b. In this condtion, apply the parking brake fully and then release the
foundation brake.
c. Then engage the first gear of the vehicle.

for me, its always the other way.. slot the vehicle into first gear, release the foundation brake and then apply the hand brake.
May be because i learned driving in a jeep which had no hand brake...

[phamilyman]

Nicely captured and useful, but it ain't no art. Plain old commonsense, really.

[sgiitk]

Let me add oen thing. If there is a footpath then set the steering so that the car will engage the parapet, otherwise set it to roll out of the traffic. The two will be opposite!

[supremeBaleno]

Originally Posted by wild child

Get out of the car and place the wheel stopper behind the rear wheel

I used to think that using wheel-stoppers (stones / blocks of wood) is a pure Indian thing, till I saw these being used extensively in Japan, mainly for buses. They use wood-blocks having a metal handle to make lugging it around easy.

[vina]

Originally Posted by wild child

Hi all

I know that TBHP is bubbling with petroheads. Still i would like to share a few tips on the art of parking your car in a slope.

1. In nose up condition ( vehicle standing up hill ) :-
a. Apply the foundation brake.
b. In this condtion, apply the parking brake fully and then release the
foundation brake.
c. Then engage the first gear of the vehicle.
d. Steer the vehicle in the direction where there is a wall / hill etc and
then switch off the engine.
e. Get out of the car and place the wheel stopper behind the rear
wheel which is closer to the wall / hill.

2. In nose down condition ( vehicle standing down hill ) :-
a. Apply the foundation brake.
b. In this condtion, apply the parking brake fully and then release the
foundation brake.
c. Then engage the reverse gear of the vehicle.
d. Steer the vehicle in the direction where there is a wall / hill etc and
then switch off the engine.
e. Get out of the car and place the wheel stopper infront of the rear
wheel which is closer to the wall / hill.

Hope this will be useful .

Mods :- Incase this is a repeat thread, requesting you to delete or merge with the appropriate thread.

cheers

This was discussed a few weeks ago on another thread (may be this thread - I don't remember) and I had asekd the same question:


why first gear when nose is up and reverse when nose is down? Does the engine/transmission/differental assembly have some mechanical arrangement that prevents rotation in one direction?


If not then I'm assuming all putting the car in gear is doing is giving you extra braking from the drivetrain and powertrain, including the huge engine braking available since flow of air is restricted - and to use it at its best in most cars, reverse gear must be use whether nose is up or down, because reverse gear ratio is the highest on most cars.

the only way first gear will be better than reverse when nose is up, is if there is some mechanism giving selective direction to the engine even when ignition is off.

[wild child]

Originally Posted by vina

This was discussed a few weeks ago on another thread (may be this thread - I don't remember) and I had asekd the same question:


why first gear when nose is up and reverse when nose is down? Does the engine/transmission/differental assembly have some mechanical arrangement that prevents rotation in one direction?


If not then I'm assuming all putting the car in gear is doing is giving you extra braking from the drivetrain and powertrain, including the huge engine braking available since flow of air is restricted - and to use it at its best in most cars, reverse gear must be use whether nose is up or down, because reverse gear ratio is the highest on most cars.

the only way first gear will be better than reverse when nose is up, is if there is some mechanism giving selective direction to the engine even when ignition is off.

hey vina

as the name suggests, reverse gear is slotted to move the vehicle in reverse and 1st, 2nd etc are used to move the vehicle forward at various speeds. When the vehicle is standing in nose up condition and if u park it using reverse brake alone, there are chances of the vehicle being jump started even with the slightest movement backwards. Same is the case if the vehicle is parked in nose down condition with gear stick slotted in 1st. That's the reason why we use reverse while nose down parking and 1st while nose up parking. This prevents the vehicle from moving.

Cheers

[dhanushs]

Originally Posted by wild child

... there are chances of the vehicle being jump started even with the slightest movement backwards ...

With the ignition off, and the key in your pocket, can that happen?

Originally Posted by vina

If not then I'm assuming all putting the car in gear is doing is giving you extra braking from the drivetrain and powertrain, including the huge engine braking available since flow of air is restricted - and to use it at its best in most cars, reverse gear must be use whether nose is up or down, because reverse gear ratio is the highest on most cars.

Hi Vina, you are right. There is no specific reason for using the mentioned gears downhill or uphill. Infact, in most cars, reverse is the shorter gear and is preferred over 1st on steep inclines.

Well, the above mentioned practice is followed just to avoid any mishaps while starting the car. If the vehicle is in reverse, and nose facing downhill, even if you accidentally start with the clutch engaged, you face no real risk than ending up with a burnt starter motor. Same vice versa. Both being really short gears, the above mentioned practice just gives that additional protection.

[wild child]

[quote=dhanushs;2401925]With the ignition off, and the key in your pocket, can that happen?


the car may not start dhanush, but i've been in situations when my bolero was parked on extreme nose up slopes and she was slotted in reverse gear( the parking brake was not engaged). even after i got out of the vehicle ( with the keys in my pocket ), she moved backward in jerks. i had to quickly hop into the cabin and slot it to first gear after which it stood there motionless. that's why i had mentioned so in my post.

- wild child

[libranof1987]

Originally Posted by dhanushs

With the ignition off, and the key in your pocket, can that happen?

I guess this might have been possible in the Padminis.

[quote=wild child;2401955]

Originally Posted by dhanushs

the car may not start dhanush, but i've been in situations when my bolero was parked on extreme nose up slopes and she was slotted in reverse gear( the parking brake was not engaged). even after i got out of the vehicle ( with the keys in my pocket ), she moved backward in jerks. i had to quickly hop into the cabin and slot it to first gear after which it stood there motionless. that's why i had mentioned so in my post.

I think this is just a co-incidence (since the car had already jerked a bit).

In a similar situation, slot it into 1st gear (without the handbrake) and leave; the car will still jerk a bit till the gear manages to stop further movement.

Be it the 1st or reverse, there cannot be a jumpstart if the key ain't there.

[vina]

[quote=wild child;2401955]

Originally Posted by dhanushs

...

the car may not start dhanush, but i've been in situations when my bolero was parked on extreme nose up slopes and she was slotted in reverse gear( the parking brake was not engaged). even after i got out of the vehicle ( with the keys in my pocket ), she moved backward in jerks. i had to quickly hop into the cabin and slot it to first gear after which it stood there motionless. that's why i had mentioned so in my post.

- wild child

What probably happened was that the friction offered by the reverse as not enough to prevent the start of the rolling (was barely enough, but may be something started it) - and once rolling started, friction reduces anyway (sliding friction is much smaller).

Did you try stopping the car and leaving it in the reverse again? - It probably wouldn't have moved.



that said - very bad idea not to engage the handbrake and rely on engine braking alone - you can do the other way round (no gear engaged) but not engaging the parking brake should not be attempted.

[dhanushs]

Originally Posted by wild child

the car may not start dhanush, but i've been in situations when my bolero was parked on extreme nose up slopes and she was slotted in reverse gear( the parking brake was not engaged). even after i got out of the vehicle ( with the keys in my pocket ), she moved backward in jerks. i had to quickly hop into the cabin and slot it to first gear after which it stood there motionless. that's why i had mentioned so in my post.

Originally Posted by vina

Did you try stopping the car and leaving it in the reverse again? - It probably wouldn't have moved.

that said - very bad idea not to engage the handbrake and rely on engine braking alone - you can do the other way round (no gear engaged) but not engaging the parking brake should not be attempted.

I hope you are not quoting me?

Anyhow, +1 to what you said. It is indeed a very bad idea to rely on engine braking alone and not engaging the handbrake. That said, in any circumstances, if you are relying on engine braking, then reverse is a better option.

@wild child, I guess you stopped the car, and then put it in 1st gear?. If so, reverse would have worked better.

[wild child]

Originally Posted by dhanushs

I hope you are not quoting me?

Anyhow, +1 to what you said. It is indeed a very bad idea to rely on engine braking alone and not engaging the handbrake. That said, in any circumstances, if you are relying on engine braking, then reverse is a better option.

@wild child, I guess you stopped the car, and then put it in 1st gear?. If so, reverse would have worked better.

u guessed it right dhanush.