[Anindya_Anni]

Originally Posted by SideView

Sadly nothing more to be done. But maybe get a second opinion at FNG. If there was no such issue before you dropped for service, could have escalated. (Did the service advisor take a test drive any highlight any issue prior to service?)

These days you should keep an eye out for new issues after servicing, as you can never blindly trust service centers anymore.

There wasn't any issue before service. I remained present with car throughout the service. They didn't touch the gearbox, then how come the noise can originate from there after service. Can clutch master cylinder be at fault ?

[blackstallion76]

Friends,

Here is the video of juddering happening every morning during cold start.
Can you advice what sound is this?

MASS is not able to find the solution.

https://youtu.be/tUhnONd0aps

[IndigoXLGrandDi]

I am facing this Clutch Judder issue in our Elite i20 Diesel (March 2015) that has run 2,50,030Kms (Yes Two lakhs fifty thousand kilometres). The Clutch is Factory fitted. Touchwood.

The clutch Judder is present only in first gear.
Fuel efficiency is around 22kpl (Tankful to Tankful method) and pickup is also good.

I had shown the car to my Regular FNG, who told the following-
1. Pressure Plate has worn out. The fingers of Pressure plate have become uneven and hence not sliding on clutch plate correctly which is causing juddering. Hence the Clutch Plate, Pressure Plate, Release Bearing need to be replaced with new ones.
2. The Engine and Transmission Mounts are weak but can go for 30-35000Kms more before replacement. And weak Engine Mounts and Transmission Mounts are not causing Clutch Judder issue. Even after replacing Mounts, the clutch Judder issue will persist.

Please advise on the above issue.
Thank you in advance.

EDIT-
The clutch does not Judder on level ground but only on incline surface.

[Cresterk]

Originally Posted by IndigoXLGrandDi

I am facing this Clutch Judder issue in our Elite i20 Diesel (March 2015) that has run 2,50,030Kms (Yes Two lakhs fifty thousand kilometres). The Clutch is Factory fitted. Touchwood.

The clutch Judder is present only in first gear.
Fuel efficiency is around 22kpl (Tankful to Tankful method) and pickup is also good.

I had shown the car to my Regular FNG, who told the following-
1. Pressure Plate has worn out. The fingers of Pressure plate have become uneven and hence not sliding on clutch plate correctly which is causing juddering. Hence the Clutch Plate, Pressure Plate, Release Bearing need to be replaced with new ones.
2. The Engine and Transmission Mounts are weak but can go for 30-35000Kms more before replacement. And weak Engine Mounts and Transmission Mounts are not causing Clutch Judder issue. Even after replacing Mounts, the clutch Judder issue will persist.

Please advise on the above issue.
Thank you in advance.

EDIT-
The clutch does not Judder on level ground but only on incline surface.

Okay first of all wow! That's the first time I have heard of an i20 covering that sort of mileage. Makes me feel like holding on to mine for longer.

Second of all, did the car really cover 250k kms on the stock clutch? That's insane, even people in countries with well developed highways and long distances of traffic free commute mostly manage only around 150k kms on the stock clutch. 250k kms in Indian road conditions is crazy.

I have the same issue with the clutch judder on my 2016 i20 crdi that has covered just 60k kms. It started around 45k kms and has gotten worse over time. Initially it was only when you tried to launch the car and I thought it might be wheel hop due to how violent it was. A bit more research and it's apparently the clutch after all. It's gotten worse and now I face it on inclines as well. Maybe because of uneven clutch wear? Once it's actually fully engaged, its completely fine. I figured I would replace the clutch once it has worn out and starts showing signs of slippage and that should hopefully fix it because the labour charges for opening it up just for inspection would be a bomb anyway. Might as well kill two birds with one stone.

[Indian2003]

Originally Posted by IndigoXLGrandDi

I am facing this Clutch Judder issue in our Elite i20 Diesel (March 2015) that has run 2,50,030Kms (Yes Two lakhs fifty thousand kilometres). The Clutch is Factory fitted. Touchwood.

The clutch Judder is present only in first gear.
Fuel efficiency is around 22kpl (Tankful to Tankful method) and pickup is also good.

I had shown the car to my Regular FNG, who told the following-
1. Pressure Plate has worn out. The fingers of Pressure plate have become uneven and hence not sliding on clutch plate correctly which is causing juddering. Hence the Clutch Plate, Pressure Plate, Release Bearing need to be replaced with new ones.
2. The Engine and Transmission Mounts are weak but can go for 30-35000Kms more before replacement. And weak Engine Mounts and Transmission Mounts are not causing Clutch Judder issue. Even after replacing Mounts, the clutch Judder issue will persist.

Please advise on the above issue.
Thank you in advance.

EDIT-
The clutch does not Judder on level ground but only on incline surface.

I would start by replacing the engine and gearbox mounts. With such high mileage thare is a chance that these might give up soon anyway. In a case like this go for the cheapest solution first.
How does he calculate that the old mounts will last another 35,000 km? This is not possible.
If this does not work you can start looking at the clutch.
My car has passed 420,000 km on the original mounts but my driving style is not harsh.

[GST]

Originally Posted by Cresterk

I have the same issue with the clutch judder on my 2016 i20 crdi that has covered just 60k kms. It started around 45k kms and has gotten worse over time. Initially it was only when you tried to launch the car and I thought it might be wheel hop due to how violent it was. A bit more research and it's apparently the clutch after all. It's gotten worse and now I face it on inclines as well...

My 2016 Ciaz petrol sometimes gives judders while on a bit steepish inclines and in the process of engaging gear 1 from a standstill. These judders happen only sometimes. It has done 34K kms and I drive quite sedately. No juddering/shuddering on flat or surfaces where incline is more gradual.

I am not sure whether something is wrong or it is just the gearbox working as it should on inclines. I have started noticing this since the last half a year, and don't remember this from before- maybbe my memory is faulty and manuals always do so.

Any ideas/help are thankfully welcome.

[Cresterk]

Originally Posted by GST

My 2016 Ciaz petrol sometimes gives judders while on a bit steepish inclines and in the process of engaging gear 1 from a standstill. These judders happen only sometimes. It has done 34K kms and I drive quite sedately. No juddering/shuddering on flat or surfaces where incline is more gradual.

I am not sure whether something is wrong or it is just the gearbox working as it should on inclines. I have started noticing this since the last half a year, and don't remember this from before- maybbe my memory is faulty and manuals always do so.

Any ideas/help are thankfully welcome.

It is not normal. Go get it checked.

[GST]

Originally Posted by Cresterk

It is not normal. Go get it checked.

Thanks very much! I will have it checked next time I get a chance to see the service adviser.

[mnautss]

This thread aims to introduce the problem and share solution of a long standing issue I have faced regarding clutch pedal vibrations on Diesel Manual 2WD variant of Scorpio-N.

@Mod: Feel free to redirect me to the correct thread (if it exists). I couldn't find though despite thorough search.

While I have a lot to share about my Scorpio-N (mostly good, including a comfortable solo cross country drive with just 200km on the odo), there is one aspect that I want to discuss with my fellow BHPians that has troubled me since day one of ownership.

I have always felt decent enough vibrations in the clutch pedal during both upshift & downshift. Felt significantly more during releasing than when pressing. The problem would exaggerate when the vehicle was driven in 'Zoom' mode. It is difficult to describe how it felt but the closest explanation would be like how it feels when you drag a metal object over a spinning rough surface (like sandpaper).

I raised the issue with Mahindra SS not once or twice, but thrice. And it was never resolved.
Each time, they would mention that they opened the clutch cylinders and couldn't find anything. They would further claim that this much vibration was 'standard' given it was a diesel engine. I test drove another vehicle from their inventory and yes, it too had the same problem.
However, I wasn't willing to buy their explanation. It just felt odd, driving a vehicle oriented towards premium experience and then having such petty issues.

I was about to escalate to M&M but for some odd reason, procrastinated and that email never reached the sent folder.

Last Saturday (09 Nov '24), I went for the scheduled 3rd service (20K km) and raised the issue again.
While their response wasn't assuring (as always), the mechanic mentioned that he would try to bleed the clutch and see if it helps.
When I test drove the vehicle after service completion, I was delighted. The vibration was miraculously gone. Like gone. It was just surreal.

I waited about 40 mins. for the mechanic to return from his lunch so I could have a chat with him. He mentioned that he just did clutch bleeding and nothing else. I thanked him a lot for the awesome job he did on an issue that nobody so far even acknowledged was a problem.

If you have also experienced this issue, then what was it that fixed it?
And if you are still facing the problem & got no clue on what to do, just try clutch bleeding and it may help.
Whatever the case, let me know in the comments.

I will provide a long term update on the issue. Who knows how long this happiness will last.

PS: I am still struggling with another problem (hard shifts on 1st, 2nd and 3rd gear). But will address them sometime later. Right now, time to take my left leg for a joy ride.

[kgt.v8]

Originally Posted by mnautss

PS: I am still struggling with another problem (hard shifts on 1st, 2nd and 3rd gear). But will address them sometime later.

Are 1st, 2nd and 3rd gear shifts hard when the car is started first time in the day?
Do the gear shifts smoothen after the engine is heated up?

The reason I ask is because I have BOF Tata car with manual transmission. The 1st and 2nd gear shifts feel like pushing gear of a bus in the first 10 minutes of the day. 2nd and 3rd gear shifts get smoother after driving couple of minutes. The first gear shift still gets hard at times.

[ajvee44]

Originally Posted by mnautss

This thread aims to introduce the problem and share solution of a long standing issue I have faced regarding clutch pedal vibrations on Diesel Manual 2WD variant of Scorpio-N.
…
I will provide a long term update on the issue. Who knows how long this happiness will last.

PS: I am still struggling with another problem (hard shifts on 1st, 2nd and 3rd gear). But will address them sometime later. Right now, time to take my left leg for a joy ride.

We own a Mahindra dealership. Please let me know if a chat with our service team will help you.

[MrBeast]

Originally Posted by mnautss

This thread aims to introduce the problem and share solution of a long standing issue I have faced regarding clutch pedal vibrations on Diesel Manual 2WD variant of Scorpio-N.

@Mod: Feel free to redirect me to the correct thread (if it exists). I couldn't find though despite thorough search.

While I have a lot to share about my Scorpio-N (mostly good, including a comfortable solo cross country drive with just 200km on the odo), there is one aspect that I want to discuss with my fellow BHPians that has troubled me since day one of ownership.

I have always felt decent enough vibrations in the clutch pedal during both upshift & downshift. Felt significantly more during releasing than when pressing. The problem would exaggerate when the vehicle was driven in 'Zoom' mode. It is difficult to describe how it felt but the closest explanation would be like how it feels when you drag a metal object over a spinning rough surface (like sandpaper).

I raised the issue with Mahindra SS not once or twice, but thrice. And it was never resolved.
Each time, they would mention that they opened the clutch cylinders and couldn't find anything. They would further claim that this much vibration was 'standard' given it was a diesel engine. I test drove another vehicle from their inventory and yes, it too had the same problem.
However, I wasn't willing to buy their explanation. It just felt odd, driving a vehicle oriented towards premium experience and then having such petty issues.

I was about to escalate to M&M but for some odd reason, procrastinated and that email never reached the sent folder.

Last Saturday (09 Nov '24), I went for the scheduled 3rd service (20K km) and raised the issue again.
While their response wasn't assuring (as always), the mechanic mentioned that he would try to bleed the clutch and see if it helps.
When I test drove the vehicle after service completion, I was delighted. The vibration was miraculously gone. Like gone. It was just surreal.

I waited about 40 mins. for the mechanic to return from his lunch so I could have a chat with him. He mentioned that he just did clutch bleeding and nothing else. I thanked him a lot for the awesome job he did on an issue that nobody so far even acknowledged was a problem.

If you have also experienced this issue, then what was it that fixed it?
And if you are still facing the problem & got no clue on what to do, just try clutch bleeding and it may help.
Whatever the case, let me know in the comments.

I will provide a long term update on the issue. Who knows how long this happiness will last.

PS: I am still struggling with another problem (hard shifts on 1st, 2nd and 3rd gear). But will address them sometime later. Right now, time to take my left leg for a joy ride.

Oh man, finally! I’ve been hunting for answers on this since day one, and it’s such a relief to see someone actually talk about it.
I've been facing this issue since day one, and it becomes even more pronounced when shifting above 2,000 rpm. I took my car to the service centre, but the first time, they failed to notice it. On my second visit, they simply dismissed it as "normal" for all Scorpio-N diesels.

I'm also experiencing similar problems with gear shifting. Interestingly, a friend of mine owns a 1.5-year-old Scorpio-N, and the gear shifts in his car are butter smooth, which makes me even more certain that this isn't just "normal."

Could you share the details of the service centre where you got this issue resolved? Since I see your location is Gurgaon, I’d like to take my car there as well and get it checked by the same mechanic. Would really appreciate any more insights!