My Experience With adding Boric Acid in Engine oil

sinhead · 17th March 2011, 22:49

Even I am curious about using it on two strokes. I think Adding it to oil pump would be the ideal way. Experts please enlighten..

Joe-Ker · 16th June 2011, 21:16

Dear finetuning,
I do not have words to thank you for Transforming my 12 year old Maruti 800 with 75000 km on the clock (at the time of adding boric acid powder).

Here is a short history of my experiments.

Research
I read each and every post about boric acid in tbhp..followed every link given in those posts, and came to the conclusion that an overwhelmimg majority has had positive effects, even though the actual chemistry behind is a little sketchy.

How
At around 76000km when my engine oil is around 2000 km old, i purchased 100 gram of boric powder, and since i am a lazy guy and the powder is very fine, i added it directly into the engine in around 5 installments with 5-6 km of driving in between. like this i added a total of 80 gram into the engine.

After adding
Went for a 20 km drive, mixed driving style..riding the torque curve...surfing the power crest and all else.
No difference!!
Next day...no difference..Decided this was a sham and forgot about it. decided that next month i wud change the oil and the filter when i take it in for replacing the door hinges which had to be ordered.

week later, cruising on the high way at 60, i depressed the accelerator to overtake a lorry.....and the car just powered ahead!!!!!!! no vibes, i was amazed and kept on accelerating till 80 when the steering started a small wobble (bent rim, not balancing properly)..still more pedal input and its now 95, engine still smooth....
Pedal to metal- Engine started to sound strained after 95 or so but it accelerated to 110 kmph!!!!!!! after which it was gaining speed so slow i chickened out and took my feet off the pedal(the wobble too was getting prominent).

I have never taken my car beyond 100 kmph and rarely above 80 because the racket it used to make made me feel as if the entire car was going to fall apart.

A friend of mine who used to drive my car often til six months before when he got a zen of his own, on driving my car (he did not know about the boric acid) was amazed how smooth the engine had become.
Changed oil filter at 77000km..
Also added the boric acid powder to gear oil (50gm), and mixed 50gm in grease and lubricated the wheel hubs and other sundry parts.

I went home recently and did quite a bit of driving in dads palio, came back, started my 800, and i was pleasantly surprised to find absolutely no vibes. (normally, every time i come back after the home visit, for a week i decide and redecide to sell this vibe bucket)

I do not know about the effect onb the FE as i relocated to goa from pcmc pune soon after and here the roads are full of dips and troughs, and i live on top of a hill reched by a 1 km long second gear only climb. But since i do not see a significant drop in fe as i was expecting, i think FE may have improved..

But make no mistake, this has transformed my 12 yr old carb 800 into a spring chicken...speeds previously achieved with great difficulty and roughnes are achieved with ease.

THANK YOU FINETUNING

Car now has run 79600 km..Running perfectly fine after mumbai-pune and pune -goa runs both loaded heavily.

finetuning · 20th June 2011, 19:13

Dear All,

It gives me immense pleasure to see this technique passing desired benefits to all.

My LPG driven Esteem still going strong and I have gone further in this types of EXPERIMENTS and developed my own Spark Plug Wires and I m using it since last 15 months or so.

As and when time permits I will share.

Meanwhile there seems very little/No ill effects on adding boric acid and I really salutes all those who stood by this understanding and inclination to go for it.

1self · 21st June 2011, 03:29

Dear Finetuning,

Welcome back yaar! Good to see you back again after quite some time. Do keep enlightening us on your experiments!

akhilesh · 21st June 2011, 05:16

Where can I get the boric acid powder from? I am assuming that we need the finest quality.

sajjt · 21st June 2011, 10:25

Welcome back Finetuning A.K.A the TWEAK GURU after a long break

Am sure that you have lot to share during this dormant period

Quote:

Originally Posted by akhilesh

Where can I get the boric acid powder from? I am assuming that we need the finest quality.

You can ask any medicine store for this and it will cost less than Rs 15/-

finetuning · 22nd June 2011, 18:05

Dear 1self and sajjt,

Thanks for your kind gesture.

Well, I m going to make new spark plug wire for my friends accent and will take care to have good photos and explanation for this another wonderful yet effective method of increasing combustion resulting in greater power and increased FE.

Greater power and increased FE is the logic I m alway learning on.

sen2009 · 24th November 2011, 11:45

I am thinking of trying this on my Bullet Electra 2004. It is currently going a major service (No engine work except for oil change).
I have one question - In case I don't like it or it throws up any kind of problems, is it possible to undo it. Like doing something which will remove the boric stuff completely from the engine, gearbox, oil sump or any other relevant place?

sagarpadaki · 24th November 2011, 12:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by sen2009

I am thinking of trying this on my Bullet Electra 2004. It is currently going a major service (No engine work except for oil change).
I have one question - In case I don't like it or it throws up any kind of problems, is it possible to undo it. Like doing something which will remove the boric stuff completely from the engine, gearbox, oil sump or any other relevant place?

Remove the oil. Put a fresh one. Run for 100 km and drain the oil. That should do

sen2009 · 24th November 2011, 14:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by sagarpadaki

Remove the oil. Put a fresh one. Run for 100 km and drain the oil. That should do

OK. That gives a lot of comfort. In case things don't go well, I can undo it in a simple way.

But, people are saying that the boric oxide thing makes a covalent bond with the metal and form a coat. If so, then will it get removed by just using a wash procedure with fresh oil?

sagarpadaki · 24th November 2011, 14:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by sen2009

OK. That gives a lot of comfort. In case things don't go well, I can undo it in a simple way.

But, people are saying that the boric oxide thing makes a covalent bond with the metal and form a coat. If so, then will it get removed by just using a wash procedure with fresh oil?

Yes it will . Once you put fresh oil and run for a hundred km, it will dissolve any remaining additive. Or another idea is to use a engine flush.

dhruvtanwar · 13th December 2013, 08:41

Wanted to put in my two-pence worth of experience with this.
I tried this last year on my 2004 Accent 1.6 ABS, which had clocked over 2.25L km by the time I attempted this experiment. After extensive, careful reading of every single post on this thread (and reading a lot of material that I came across on the Internet), I finally decided to give it a try.
So, one fine day in June 2012, I followed the instructions finetuning gave to a "T", and for the next 2,500 km, the boric acid did a fantastic job. Despite being on CNG, the car had a pep that was reminiscent of driving it on petrol, and this wasn't even a sequential kit. I was in love, again!
However, what I also realized, a bit later though, is that boric acid is also very effective in de-carbonizing the engine. So, all the carbon deposited in the engine between 2004 to 2012 came loose, mixed up with the engine oil, and got ready to be drained. Unfortunately for me, I decided to postpone the car's periodic service by a few days as I got called away to Delhi for what was supposed to be a four day trip, which then got extended to a week, then two weeks and to make a long story short, I eventually made it home only after a month. All this time, the car was parked safely, without so much as a self start. What this month of pickle time did was give the sludge in the engine oil adequate time to settle to the bottom and effectively jam the oil pump, which needed a replacement to get the car back to its former glory again. (Just in case you were wondering, it still started in the first self despite the clogged oil pump, and I had enough sense and experience not to rev the dry engine at all.)
No regrets however, I drove that car till last week clocking another 50k km between the boric acid treatment and an offer that a chap made which I couldn't refuse. Just thought that it would be pertinent for future readers of this post to be aware that (a) if you do try it, it does work - with the added benefit of being a particularly good flushing agent, and (b) if you try it on an older car, make sure you replace your engine oil before you take off for an extended work trip or vacation!
Cheers!

hellmet · 13th November 2014, 17:23

Anyone here that tried this on a CVT scooter?

aaggoswami · 13th November 2014, 19:14

FineTuning, nice thread. However, I am not sure if adding boric acid powder helps or if it does any damage.

There are very small oil Galleries in multiple engine parts. What if this powder forms a solid layer and reduces the oil flow ?
Also, is the "Boric Powder" available grocery store good enough to be added ? Can we add it directly to engine in powder form or we have to dissolve it in oil and then fill in the engine ?

I have a K10 Wagon R which has done 52K kms. and about to get to 53K kms. Would love to do this experiment with serious caution.

alpha1 · 14th November 2014, 13:59

Boric acid has 171 deg C melting point.
In case of petrol engine I believe the max temperature achieved by oil is about 150 deg C.

So we can safely conclude that boric acid remains solid.
Wont this solid powder suspended in oil act like an abrasive and wear off the metal parts??

View Poll Results: I have TRIED IT and have found that ...
It works wonders for my car/bike. I highly recommend it.	23	34.85%
Slight improvement, but I recommend it.	12	18.18%
No difference at all. Don't bother trying this non-sense stuff.	17	25.76%
It screwed my car!!! Stay away from all boron compounds!!!	14	21.21%
Voters: 66. You may not vote on this poll

17th March 2011, 22:49	#406
sinhead BHPian Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Delhi Posts: 156 Thanked: 117 Times	Re: My Experience With adding Boric Acid in Engine oil Even I am curious about using it on two strokes. I think Adding it to oil pump would be the ideal way. Experts please enlighten..
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16th June 2011, 21:16	#407
Joe-Ker BHPian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: KL41-MH14-TN14 Posts: 99 Thanked: 54 Times	Re: My Experience With adding Boric Acid in Engine oil Dear finetuning, I do not have words to thank you for Transforming my 12 year old Maruti 800 with 75000 km on the clock (at the time of adding boric acid powder). Here is a short history of my experiments. Research I read each and every post about boric acid in tbhp..followed every link given in those posts, and came to the conclusion that an overwhelmimg majority has had positive effects, even though the actual chemistry behind is a little sketchy. How At around 76000km when my engine oil is around 2000 km old, i purchased 100 gram of boric powder, and since i am a lazy guy and the powder is very fine, i added it directly into the engine in around 5 installments with 5-6 km of driving in between. like this i added a total of 80 gram into the engine. After adding Went for a 20 km drive, mixed driving style..riding the torque curve...surfing the power crest and all else. No difference!! Next day...no difference..Decided this was a sham and forgot about it. decided that next month i wud change the oil and the filter when i take it in for replacing the door hinges which had to be ordered. week later, cruising on the high way at 60, i depressed the accelerator to overtake a lorry.....and the car just powered ahead!!!!!!! no vibes, i was amazed and kept on accelerating till 80 when the steering started a small wobble (bent rim, not balancing properly)..still more pedal input and its now 95, engine still smooth.... Pedal to metal- Engine started to sound strained after 95 or so but it accelerated to 110 kmph!!!!!!! after which it was gaining speed so slow i chickened out and took my feet off the pedal(the wobble too was getting prominent). I have never taken my car beyond 100 kmph and rarely above 80 because the racket it used to make made me feel as if the entire car was going to fall apart. A friend of mine who used to drive my car often til six months before when he got a zen of his own, on driving my car (he did not know about the boric acid) was amazed how smooth the engine had become. Changed oil filter at 77000km.. Also added the boric acid powder to gear oil (50gm), and mixed 50gm in grease and lubricated the wheel hubs and other sundry parts. I went home recently and did quite a bit of driving in dads palio, came back, started my 800, and i was pleasantly surprised to find absolutely no vibes. (normally, every time i come back after the home visit, for a week i decide and redecide to sell this vibe bucket) I do not know about the effect onb the FE as i relocated to goa from pcmc pune soon after and here the roads are full of dips and troughs, and i live on top of a hill reched by a 1 km long second gear only climb. But since i do not see a significant drop in fe as i was expecting, i think FE may have improved.. But make no mistake, this has transformed my 12 yr old carb 800 into a spring chicken...speeds previously achieved with great difficulty and roughnes are achieved with ease. THANK YOU FINETUNING Car now has run 79600 km..Running perfectly fine after mumbai-pune and pune -goa runs both loaded heavily.
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20th June 2011, 19:13	#408
finetuning BHPian Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Mumbai Posts: 394 Thanked: 20 Times	Re: My Experience With adding Boric Acid in Engine oil Dear All, It gives me immense pleasure to see this technique passing desired benefits to all. My LPG driven Esteem still going strong and I have gone further in this types of EXPERIMENTS and developed my own Spark Plug Wires and I m using it since last 15 months or so. As and when time permits I will share. Meanwhile there seems very little/No ill effects on adding boric acid and I really salutes all those who stood by this understanding and inclination to go for it.
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21st June 2011, 03:29	#409
1self BHPian Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Pune Posts: 629 Thanked: 334 Times View My Garage	Re: My Experience With adding Boric Acid in Engine oil Dear Finetuning, Welcome back yaar! Good to see you back again after quite some time. Do keep enlightening us on your experiments!
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21st June 2011, 05:16	#410
akhilesh BANNED Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Delhi Posts: 296 Thanked: 342 Times	Re: My Experience With adding Boric Acid in Engine oil Where can I get the boric acid powder from? I am assuming that we need the finest quality.
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22nd June 2011, 18:05	#412
finetuning BHPian Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Mumbai Posts: 394 Thanked: 20 Times	Re: My Experience With adding Boric Acid in Engine oil Dear 1self and sajjt, Thanks for your kind gesture. Well, I m going to make new spark plug wire for my friends accent and will take care to have good photos and explanation for this another wonderful yet effective method of increasing combustion resulting in greater power and increased FE. Greater power and increased FE is the logic I m alway learning on.
	() Thanks

24th November 2011, 11:45	#413
sen2009 BHPian Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Mumbai Posts: 561 Thanked: 737 Times View My Garage	Re: My Experience With adding Boric Acid in Engine oil I am thinking of trying this on my Bullet Electra 2004. It is currently going a major service (No engine work except for oil change). I have one question - In case I don't like it or it throws up any kind of problems, is it possible to undo it. Like doing something which will remove the boric stuff completely from the engine, gearbox, oil sump or any other relevant place?
	() Thanks

13th December 2013, 08:41	#417
dhruvtanwar BHPian Join Date: May 2009 Location: MH-46 Posts: 63 Thanked: 56 Times	Re: My Experience With adding Boric Acid in Engine oil Wanted to put in my two-pence worth of experience with this. I tried this last year on my 2004 Accent 1.6 ABS, which had clocked over 2.25L km by the time I attempted this experiment. After extensive, careful reading of every single post on this thread (and reading a lot of material that I came across on the Internet), I finally decided to give it a try. So, one fine day in June 2012, I followed the instructions finetuning gave to a "T", and for the next 2,500 km, the boric acid did a fantastic job. Despite being on CNG, the car had a pep that was reminiscent of driving it on petrol, and this wasn't even a sequential kit. I was in love, again! However, what I also realized, a bit later though, is that boric acid is also very effective in de-carbonizing the engine. So, all the carbon deposited in the engine between 2004 to 2012 came loose, mixed up with the engine oil, and got ready to be drained. Unfortunately for me, I decided to postpone the car's periodic service by a few days as I got called away to Delhi for what was supposed to be a four day trip, which then got extended to a week, then two weeks and to make a long story short, I eventually made it home only after a month. All this time, the car was parked safely, without so much as a self start. What this month of pickle time did was give the sludge in the engine oil adequate time to settle to the bottom and effectively jam the oil pump, which needed a replacement to get the car back to its former glory again. (Just in case you were wondering, it still started in the first self despite the clogged oil pump, and I had enough sense and experience not to rev the dry engine at all.) No regrets however, I drove that car till last week clocking another 50k km between the boric acid treatment and an offer that a chap made which I couldn't refuse. Just thought that it would be pertinent for future readers of this post to be aware that (a) if you do try it, it does work - with the added benefit of being a particularly good flushing agent, and (b) if you try it on an older car, make sure you replace your engine oil before you take off for an extended work trip or vacation! Cheers!
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13th November 2014, 17:23	#418
hellmet BHPian Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: GTA \| GHMC Posts: 887 Thanked: 1,032 Times	Re: My Experience With adding Boric Acid in Engine oil Anyone here that tried this on a CVT scooter?
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13th November 2014, 19:14	#419
aaggoswami Senior - BHPian Join Date: May 2007 Location: Vadodara Posts: 4,997 Thanked: 3,000 Times	Re: My Experience With adding Boric Acid in Engine oil FineTuning, nice thread. However, I am not sure if adding boric acid powder helps or if it does any damage. There are very small oil Galleries in multiple engine parts. What if this powder forms a solid layer and reduces the oil flow ? Also, is the "Boric Powder" available grocery store good enough to be added ? Can we add it directly to engine in powder form or we have to dissolve it in oil and then fill in the engine ? I have a K10 Wagon R which has done 52K kms. and about to get to 53K kms. Would love to do this experiment with serious caution.
	() Thanks

14th November 2014, 13:59	#420
alpha1 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: LandOfNoWinters Posts: 2,178 Thanked: 3,008 Times	Re: My Experience With adding Boric Acid in Engine oil Boric acid has 171 deg C melting point. In case of petrol engine I believe the max temperature achieved by oil is about 150 deg C. So we can safely conclude that boric acid remains solid. Wont this solid powder suspended in oil act like an abrasive and wear off the metal parts??
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