My Experience With adding Boric Acid in Engine oil

rakowli · 2nd July 2008, 10:01

Hey FT i completed 300kms today was also keeping the log for FE which came to around 52-55kmpl. i am suprised as i have done upjetting and K & N Filter added so before this i was getting between 35-40kmpl which was worsed i ever got. Then after my mechanic did some setting i got about 45kmpl and then now 50+. i am too happy with the result. maybe if i do more tuning i may get 60kmpl. lets hope. even if i get 50+ i am happy.

finetuning · 2nd July 2008, 14:00

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Originally Posted by rakowli

Hey FT i completed 300kms today was also keeping the log for FE which came to around 52-55kmpl. i am suprised as i have done upjetting and K & N Filter added so before this i was getting between 35-40kmpl which was worsed i ever got. Then after my mechanic did some setting i got about 45kmpl and then now 50+. i am too happy with the result. maybe if i do more tuning i may get 60kmpl. lets hope. even if i get 50+ i am happy.

Thats great! I think you again need to retune your bike after few hundred Km.The amount of torque gain we get can be utilised for better FE by proper tuning. You just need to lean the mixture.

After boron treatment bikes pulling power increases and also engine becomes stress free in terms of friction it has to overcome.Reduction in friction results in gain in FE.

Now amount of gain in torque can be offset by increasing FE.Its a tuning job and can be easily done by any mechanic.

If you are satisfied with current FE then just continue.Every time leaning the mixture with strict observation you will find a perfect balance of performance & FE. Its not difficult with boron treated pulsars to get 60+. Many times with city traffic we find extra power useless so tune accordingly.

finetuning · 2nd July 2008, 14:16

Wet clutch are designed to work with certain grade of oils at engine operating temp.Infact they are immersed in oil pool. Essential purpose is to cool down the frictional heat & thereby increasing life of components.In high powered bike we see dry clutch as they need to produce high power.In that case different oil cooling mechanism is adopted.We have seen bikes up to 15 BHP or so with wet clutch here.Above that power I think manufacturer need to use dry clutches.

If boron treatment is used with right proportion then it can never harm clutch functioning. But again using all such thing is against the basic functioning of clutch. This means that boron works inside engine especially at upper cylinder area and inside combustion chamber without affecting any parts.Thats indeed a great aspect of it.

abhik · 2nd July 2008, 16:35

Finally got the Oil Filter changed after almost 550kms after the BA treatment but surprise surprise!!
The oil filter came out absolutely clean, no traces of carbon or BA deposits at all. But i had already bought a filter by then so got it changed anyways. I Let the previous filter cool down then checked it carefully for any sign of BA but it was nowhere to be found.
Then i took the oil pan and held it really close to inspect any minute particles in the oil but nothing at all. The oil was just a little burnt like it should be after 1000kms when i got it changed at service.
The mechanic thought i was a whacky wierdo of some sort because he could'nt understand why in the first place i was changing a new filter and then why on earth was i looking at the used filter and oil like i had lost diamonds in it.

When he insisted as to why i was acting so wierd, i told him that i added BA in the engine oil and he gave me a look as if what he was thinking about me was true- "Ye Pagal Hai!!."

But it was really strange, as there were no deposits in the oil or filter that means the BA worked or is probably lying in the sump but if that would be the case then a little deposit should have been in the oil and filter aswell.

There were no carbon lumps or any gooey stuff in the oil or filter, so does that mean the engine was clean in the first place. This was a little hard to belive for an engine that has crossed 105000kms and no carbon lumps etc.
Then my friend suggested that most people on the forum who have tried this experiment tried it on used oil and i tried it on new oil so maybe thats why they got carbon etc upon changing the filter and oil which is expected.

Never the less BA is working as i can tell from the smoothness, in-gear speed and acceleration, reduced vibration but apparently FE is still the same, but i can surely say thats due to my driving style, i usually hold gears till 3000-4000rpm.

finetuning · 2nd July 2008, 16:51

Abhik,

You need to reset your ECM for FE gain. There is some procedure for resetting ECM I read in this forum. Just disconnect negative terminal of battery for 15 minutes & reconnect it. Let car idle for 10 minutes again. Dont press accelerator pedal during this time then shut off engine & restart.

If you feel your oil can go till next oil change then keep using it. Indeed borification is working. Feel the increased power on climbing any bridge.

abhik · 2nd July 2008, 18:04

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Originally Posted by finetuning

Abhik,

You need to reset your ECM for FE gain. There is some procedure for resetting ECM I read in this forum. Just disconnect negative terminal of battery for 15 minutes & reconnect it. Let car idle for 10 minutes again. Dont press accelerator pedal during this time then shut off engine & restart.

If you feel your oil can go till next oil change then keep using it. Indeed borification is working. Feel the increased power on climbing any bridge.

Thanks FT will try that.
Oil seems good to last normal oil change interval but will keep inspecting from time to time.
But never felt loss of power on any incline even before BA treatment, my car is on CNG and still used to manage to accelerate very well on any incline.

simply_sunny001 · 2nd July 2008, 18:14

Ok
thats enough reading about your experiences.

Let me try this on Bullet Electra as next week sometime it will go into reserve and i will go for the usual tankful

so let me try it

Now please help me regarding what to add/how to add/where to buy it.

i'm bit lazy to read through the huge thread.

Thanks

kailashnj · 2nd July 2008, 20:13

Hi,

What is an ECM and how do you reset your ECM. Can you throw some light on this aspect Finetuning.

I am planning to try this on my 2006 Baleno. Your assistance is solicted

Regards,
Kailash

abhik · 3rd July 2008, 18:45

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Originally Posted by kailashnj

Hi,

What is an ECM and how do you reset your ECM. Can you throw some light on this aspect Finetuning.

I am planning to try this on my 2006 Baleno. Your assistance is solicted

Regards,
Kailash

ECU/ECM In short is the brain of the car(engine being the heart!), consists of microprocessors that control various funtioning of the engine.

Just remove the -ve terminal of the battery in your car for 15 odd minutes, place it back in place and start the car. The car might behave strangely as it might take 8-10kms for it to re-learn and adjust to the changes that have occured.

rakowli · 4th July 2008, 11:44

Yesterday i did BA treatment on my M800. and i can say from the very first km i could feel the difference in vibration and smoothness. Maybe it works good on older cars. if anyone wants to check the effect of this. i would say when you are putting the solution in oil just keep your car on and then put it you will find instant effect. vibration was less from the very first km. the major difference was i could go to 4th gear on 30 speed without any vibration or knocking which was just impossible before. after adding i took it for a drive( more than 20kms) so it could circulate in the oil properly. Thanks again FT for this wonderful invention.

abhik · 4th July 2008, 15:25

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Originally Posted by rakowli

i would say when you are putting the solution in oil just keep your car on and then put it you will find instant effect.

Not recommended for all cars, i tried doing that and almost had the BA+Engine Oil mixture spilled back at my face.
Its much safer to shut the engine and then pour the mixture as each engine behaves differently.

ipkonfig · 15th July 2008, 07:39

I have tried this experiment on my Pulsar 150 and its surely working wonders. Thanks FT.

An offtopic query, what are the illeffects of adding extra engine oil than the recommended quantity?

AbhiJ · 15th July 2008, 17:13

Dawm.... I am so tempted to try this on my Accent CRDi.

But I just dont have the guts to risk hurting that gem of an engine :(

vvvinod · 15th July 2008, 22:15

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Originally Posted by rakowli

Yesterday i did BA treatment on my M800. and i can say from the very first km i could feel the difference in vibration and smoothness. Maybe it works good on older cars.

I second this , i felt the same when i tried it in my 2002 santro, THe car is ultra smooth now, Thanks a Ton FT !

finetuning · 16th July 2008, 13:51

Hi vvinod,rakowli ipconfig,

Enjoy borofide smoothness.

If you people find engine oil good enough to work till scheduled oil interval then continue without changing oil.

Earlier I was of the opinion that bcz of removal of dirts & carbons oil becomes dirty enough to get changed.But if it isnt the case then we can continue using older oil.I observed in some cases need to change oil & in some cases not at all.

In MPFI cars its essential to reset ECM.Procedure is simple enough.

@ipconfig,

Having little more oil in your pulsar is ok.Nothing to worry.

I m happy that its passing desired benefits to all.

View Poll Results: I have TRIED IT and have found that ...
It works wonders for my car/bike. I highly recommend it.	23	34.85%
Slight improvement, but I recommend it.	12	18.18%
No difference at all. Don't bother trying this non-sense stuff.	17	25.76%
It screwed my car!!! Stay away from all boron compounds!!!	14	21.21%
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2nd July 2008, 10:01	#316
rakowli BHPian Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Mumbai Posts: 109 Thanked: 4 Times	Hey FT i completed 300kms today was also keeping the log for FE which came to around 52-55kmpl. i am suprised as i have done upjetting and K & N Filter added so before this i was getting between 35-40kmpl which was worsed i ever got. Then after my mechanic did some setting i got about 45kmpl and then now 50+. i am too happy with the result. maybe if i do more tuning i may get 60kmpl. lets hope. even if i get 50+ i am happy.
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2nd July 2008, 14:16	#318
finetuning BHPian Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Mumbai Posts: 394 Thanked: 20 Times	Wet clutch are designed to work with certain grade of oils at engine operating temp.Infact they are immersed in oil pool. Essential purpose is to cool down the frictional heat & thereby increasing life of components.In high powered bike we see dry clutch as they need to produce high power.In that case different oil cooling mechanism is adopted.We have seen bikes up to 15 BHP or so with wet clutch here.Above that power I think manufacturer need to use dry clutches. If boron treatment is used with right proportion then it can never harm clutch functioning. But again using all such thing is against the basic functioning of clutch. This means that boron works inside engine especially at upper cylinder area and inside combustion chamber without affecting any parts.Thats indeed a great aspect of it.
	() Thanks

2nd July 2008, 16:35	#319
abhik BHPian Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: New Delhi Posts: 847 Thanked: 13 Times View My Garage	Finally got the Oil Filter changed after almost 550kms after the BA treatment but surprise surprise!! The oil filter came out absolutely clean, no traces of carbon or BA deposits at all. But i had already bought a filter by then so got it changed anyways. I Let the previous filter cool down then checked it carefully for any sign of BA but it was nowhere to be found. Then i took the oil pan and held it really close to inspect any minute particles in the oil but nothing at all. The oil was just a little burnt like it should be after 1000kms when i got it changed at service. The mechanic thought i was a whacky wierdo of some sort because he could'nt understand why in the first place i was changing a new filter and then why on earth was i looking at the used filter and oil like i had lost diamonds in it. When he insisted as to why i was acting so wierd, i told him that i added BA in the engine oil and he gave me a look as if what he was thinking about me was true- "Ye Pagal Hai!!." But it was really strange, as there were no deposits in the oil or filter that means the BA worked or is probably lying in the sump but if that would be the case then a little deposit should have been in the oil and filter aswell. There were no carbon lumps or any gooey stuff in the oil or filter, so does that mean the engine was clean in the first place. This was a little hard to belive for an engine that has crossed 105000kms and no carbon lumps etc. Then my friend suggested that most people on the forum who have tried this experiment tried it on used oil and i tried it on new oil so maybe thats why they got carbon etc upon changing the filter and oil which is expected. Never the less BA is working as i can tell from the smoothness, in-gear speed and acceleration, reduced vibration but apparently FE is still the same, but i can surely say thats due to my driving style, i usually hold gears till 3000-4000rpm.
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2nd July 2008, 16:51	#320
finetuning BHPian Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Mumbai Posts: 394 Thanked: 20 Times	Abhik, You need to reset your ECM for FE gain. There is some procedure for resetting ECM I read in this forum. Just disconnect negative terminal of battery for 15 minutes & reconnect it. Let car idle for 10 minutes again. Dont press accelerator pedal during this time then shut off engine & restart. If you feel your oil can go till next oil change then keep using it. Indeed borification is working. Feel the increased power on climbing any bridge.
	() Thanks

2nd July 2008, 18:14	#322
simply_sunny001 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: London & Rohtak Posts: 1,338 Thanked: 19 Times View My Garage	Ok thats enough reading about your experiences. Let me try this on Bullet Electra as next week sometime it will go into reserve and i will go for the usual tankful so let me try it Now please help me regarding what to add/how to add/where to buy it. i'm bit lazy to read through the huge thread. Thanks
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2nd July 2008, 20:13	#323
kailashnj BHPian Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Mumbai Posts: 967 Thanked: 384 Times	Hi, What is an ECM and how do you reset your ECM. Can you throw some light on this aspect Finetuning. I am planning to try this on my 2006 Baleno. Your assistance is solicted Regards, Kailash
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4th July 2008, 11:44	#325
rakowli BHPian Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Mumbai Posts: 109 Thanked: 4 Times	Yesterday i did BA treatment on my M800. and i can say from the very first km i could feel the difference in vibration and smoothness. Maybe it works good on older cars. if anyone wants to check the effect of this. i would say when you are putting the solution in oil just keep your car on and then put it you will find instant effect. vibration was less from the very first km. the major difference was i could go to 4th gear on 30 speed without any vibration or knocking which was just impossible before. after adding i took it for a drive( more than 20kms) so it could circulate in the oil properly. Thanks again FT for this wonderful invention.
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15th July 2008, 07:39	#327
ipkonfig BHPian Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Trivandrum Posts: 32 Thanked: 0 Times	I have tried this experiment on my Pulsar 150 and its surely working wonders. Thanks FT. An offtopic query, what are the illeffects of adding extra engine oil than the recommended quantity?
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15th July 2008, 17:13	#328
AbhiJ Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Kolkata Posts: 1,498 Thanked: 1,257 Times	Dawm.... I am so tempted to try this on my Accent CRDi. But I just dont have the guts to risk hurting that gem of an engine :(
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16th July 2008, 13:51	#330
finetuning BHPian Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Mumbai Posts: 394 Thanked: 20 Times	Hi vvinod,rakowli ipconfig, Enjoy borofide smoothness. If you people find engine oil good enough to work till scheduled oil interval then continue without changing oil. Earlier I was of the opinion that bcz of removal of dirts & carbons oil becomes dirty enough to get changed.But if it isnt the case then we can continue using older oil.I observed in some cases need to change oil & in some cases not at all. In MPFI cars its essential to reset ECM.Procedure is simple enough. @ipconfig, Having little more oil in your pulsar is ok.Nothing to worry. I m happy that its passing desired benefits to all.
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