My Experience With adding Boric Acid in Engine oil

kick.throttle · 16th October 2007, 00:26

Guys

Not i m qiut qurious to know where do i get this Boric Acid that i can use in my car. My car is in due to change the engine oil. so was planning to add boric acid in the engine oil and the g-box.

2 question:

Q1). what is the quantity of Boric Acid that i need to add in the engine oil.
Q2). Where is this Boric Acid for cars available, and is there any specific brand available that is good.
Q3). It needs manual mixing or its ok just to add???

Sorry, if my question is sounds stipid. but to be frank, i seriously dont know much about it.
And i m happy that i am learning something new......

anupmathur · 16th October 2007, 10:21

kick.throttle, whoa there! Don't jump headlong into things. Little knowledge is a dangerous thing.
No one is going to give you a clear go ahead with this boric thingy. There are practical problems that need to be sorted out. These are in fact about how to add it to your car to reap the benefits and not lead to problems.
BA is not soluble in oil - just dumping macro size powder into your sump will cause problems with filters and perhaps also narrow oil passages. In fact the KEY to successful deployment by home users is what needs to be found.
Do read up some more. That's my advice. Your car will run well without it for quite a few years, so don't be in such a hurry.

Kaizer Sozay · 16th October 2007, 22:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by kick.throttle

Guys

Not i m qiut qurious to know where do i get this Boric Acid that i can use in my car. My car is in due to change the engine oil. so was planning to add boric acid in the engine oil and the g-box.

2 question:

Q1). what is the quantity of Boric Acid that i need to add in the engine oil.
Q2). Where is this Boric Acid for cars available, and is there any specific brand available that is good.
Q3). It needs manual mixing or its ok just to add???

Sorry, if my question is sounds stipid. but to be frank, i seriously dont know much about it.
And i m happy that i am learning something new......

Please go through all the posts everthing is given in detail if you read finetunings posts. PM if u need anymore details

kick.throttle · 16th October 2007, 22:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by anupmathur

kick.throttle, whoa there! Don't jump headlong into things. Little knowledge is a dangerous thing.
No one is going to give you a clear go ahead with this boric thingy. There are practical problems that need to be sorted out. These are in fact about how to add it to your car to reap the benefits and not lead to problems.
BA is not soluble in oil - just dumping macro size powder into your sump will cause problems with filters and perhaps also narrow oil passages. In fact the KEY to successful deployment by home users is what needs to be found.
Do read up some more. That's my advice. Your car will run well without it for quite a few years, so don't be in such a hurry.

thanks for the advice. Well my car is new [10mths] and was not happy with the engine noice. thats the reason i was looking into the thing. well yes, car will run well without it for few years, so need not hav to worry about it. Thanks again

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kaizer Sozay

Please go through all the posts everthing is given in detail if you read finetunings posts. PM if u need anymore details

i been thru all the posts under this thread, and could gain only 50:50 knowledge. the remaining is like under confusion. thats the reason i narrowed it down to few questions.. Thanks

adheesh · 22nd October 2007, 17:16

How do you mix the boric powder throughly? I tried doing it but finally ended up straining the oil through a strainer.

anupmathur · 22nd October 2007, 18:00

And most of the powder got left behind on the strainer?

gshankar · 20th December 2007, 14:53

The engine revving up at start is common to all MPFI engines. Generally - on cranking, it goes to around 1500, comes down to around 1100-1200 till the engine warms up. There sure is a problem is your engine rpm goes up and down on its own - check and replace the stepper motor. Also - using premium fuels instead of normal unleaded petrol helps. From your quote - it sure seems that the ECU / Engine management isnt all well in your car.. Get it checked

Cheers..!!

Quote:

Originally Posted by amu1983

sameer_dg >> Are you joking here!!

No, we are not. This is real stuff.

gd1418 >> I hope, my theory is right or am I shooting my mouth off..??

Am not sure whether MPFI engines rev up automatically on cold-start. Didn't observe this on my MPFI Zen. But, one thing is for sure about MPFI... they are crazy. The engine rpms rise and drop on their own. Almost as if they have their own brain. When I start in the morning, the rpms will be low at first, but as soon as I rev up a little, they rise and stay high for a few seconds, then drop again. After a long drive, as I idle at a signal, the rpms will drop again automatically, stay low for a few seconds and rise again.

PS - I'm sure, I'm not confusing the fan noise with the engine rpms.

Jeep · 20th December 2007, 18:36

Why am I not finding even a single comment by those who voted against this?

DirtyDan · 23rd December 2007, 16:28

This is a standard petrol fuel additive introduced by refineries many years ago. It might be in your fuel already.

gd1418 · 23rd December 2007, 21:06

Can you please elaborate on this piece of information? At one stage you say that it is a standard petrol fuel additive and at other you mention - it might... creating a doubt on your own statement.

I don't think boric powder or boron is a standard fuel additive by the refineries world over. I only know of a specific engine oil brand Motosilk that has known boron content in it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by DirtyDan

This is a standard petrol fuel additive introduced by refineries many years ago. It might be in your fuel already.

DirtyDan · 23rd December 2007, 22:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by gd1418

Can you please elaborate on this piece of information? At one stage you say that it is a standard petrol fuel additive and at other you mention - it might... creating a doubt on your own statement.

I don't think boric powder or boron is a standard fuel additive by the refineries world over. I only know of a specific engine oil brand Motosilk that has known boron content in it.

It was an additive used by Standard Oil Corporation. When they were taken over or merged with British Petroleum I imagine the practice continued. I do not know where each company, such as Indian Oil, gets its fuel. And, I do not know the additives of fuel the world over and the "doubt" I created was intentional. The petroleum industry has turned to boron and other additives to replace the lubricity lost with sulfur free fuels. My understanding is that boron as an additive for diesel and gasoline is now becoming more common. My post was only to lend credence to notion of boron as an excellent well known and well tested engine lubricant. It also is environmentally friendly from what I have read.

PatchyBoy · 2nd January 2008, 12:26

Guys,

After reading this thread in its entirety, I decided to do this experiment with my 13 Months / 8750 Km old Avenger. I got 2 litres of engine oil. To about 200 ml of the oil, I added approximately 10 gms of Boric acid and stirred for about 30 mins. Then I drained the existing oil completely and filled 1.2 lts of fresh oil and added the 200 ml oil with BA mix. I immediately started the bike and went for a short spin of about 5 kms. No noticeable difference.

Today morning, I took the bike to work, a distance of 25 kms. Here is what I noticed:

1. Gear shift was very smooth.
2. Low end Torque had improved considerably.
3. Engine was definitely quieter.

I have not voted yet. Want to ride around first for atleast 300 kms and then see if these improvement are due to the addition of BA or due to fresh Engine oil.

@Finetuning: When would you recommend I should change the Engine Oil again?

Cheers,

Rajan

Sankar · 4th January 2008, 23:19

Patchyboy, what if the new oil is making the bike ride smoother and gearshifts better? Ideally one should've tried this in the old oil itself to ascertain the difference it makes.

I haven't tried this yet. And i don't refute the claims made because boron has lubricant properties. What i really would like to know is the % of difference boric acid alone causes.

PatchyBoy · 7th January 2008, 10:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sankar

Patchyboy, what if the new oil is making the bike ride smoother and gearshifts better? Ideally one should've tried this in the old oil itself to ascertain the difference it makes.

I haven't tried this yet. And i don't refute the claims made because boron has lubricant properties. What i really would like to know is the % of difference boric acid alone causes.

Quote:

Originally Posted by PatchyBoy

I have not voted yet. Want to ride around first for atleast 300 kms and then see if these improvement are due to the addition of BA or due to fresh Engine oil.

Cheers,

Rajan

Shankar,

I had clearly mentioned in my original post. If you really want ro find out the % of difference that BA alone causes, then I guess you will have to try it for yourself and find out.

Cheers,

Rajan

prasannapatil · 8th January 2008, 12:39

HI,
I have tried on my bike (splendor) and my bike is giving me a very good FE....So i tried it on My OHC. I mixed the boric acid in the power steering oil.....dude the experience was bad....i am getting strange noises from the steering pump...think i have to replace it asap...getting KKRRRRRRR sound from the pump.....hehe i think i have damaged the pump i guess....Please advice..

View Poll Results: I have TRIED IT and have found that ...
It works wonders for my car/bike. I highly recommend it.	23	34.85%
Slight improvement, but I recommend it.	12	18.18%
No difference at all. Don't bother trying this non-sense stuff.	17	25.76%
It screwed my car!!! Stay away from all boron compounds!!!	14	21.21%
Voters: 66. You may not vote on this poll

16th October 2007, 00:26	#211
kick.throttle BHPian Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Kuala lumpur, Malaysia Posts: 250 Thanked: Once	Guys Not i m qiut qurious to know where do i get this Boric Acid that i can use in my car. My car is in due to change the engine oil. so was planning to add boric acid in the engine oil and the g-box. 2 question: Q1). what is the quantity of Boric Acid that i need to add in the engine oil. Q2). Where is this Boric Acid for cars available, and is there any specific brand available that is good. Q3). It needs manual mixing or its ok just to add??? Sorry, if my question is sounds stipid. but to be frank, i seriously dont know much about it. And i m happy that i am learning something new......
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16th October 2007, 10:21	#212
anupmathur Senior - BHPian Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: New Delhi Posts: 3,095 Thanked: 311 Times	kick.throttle, whoa there! Don't jump headlong into things. Little knowledge is a dangerous thing. No one is going to give you a clear go ahead with this boric thingy. There are practical problems that need to be sorted out. These are in fact about how to add it to your car to reap the benefits and not lead to problems. BA is not soluble in oil - just dumping macro size powder into your sump will cause problems with filters and perhaps also narrow oil passages. In fact the KEY to successful deployment by home users is what needs to be found. Do read up some more. That's my advice. Your car will run well without it for quite a few years, so don't be in such a hurry.
	() Thanks

22nd October 2007, 17:16	#215
adheesh BHPian Join Date: May 2007 Location: Bombay Posts: 526 Thanked: 54 Times View My Garage	How do you mix the boric powder throughly? I tried doing it but finally ended up straining the oil through a strainer.
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22nd October 2007, 18:00	#216
anupmathur Senior - BHPian Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: New Delhi Posts: 3,095 Thanked: 311 Times	And most of the powder got left behind on the strainer?
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20th December 2007, 18:36	#218
Jeep BHPian Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: London Posts: 442 Thanked: 67 Times	Why am I not finding even a single comment by those who voted against this?
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23rd December 2007, 16:28	#219
DirtyDan Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Dharamsala, H.P Posts: 2,107 Thanked: 1,664 Times	manufacturer fuel additive This is a standard petrol fuel additive introduced by refineries many years ago. It might be in your fuel already.
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2nd January 2008, 12:26	#222
PatchyBoy BHPian Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Goa Posts: 923 Thanked: 2,161 Times View My Garage	Guys, After reading this thread in its entirety, I decided to do this experiment with my 13 Months / 8750 Km old Avenger. I got 2 litres of engine oil. To about 200 ml of the oil, I added approximately 10 gms of Boric acid and stirred for about 30 mins. Then I drained the existing oil completely and filled 1.2 lts of fresh oil and added the 200 ml oil with BA mix. I immediately started the bike and went for a short spin of about 5 kms. No noticeable difference. Today morning, I took the bike to work, a distance of 25 kms. Here is what I noticed: 1. Gear shift was very smooth. 2. Low end Torque had improved considerably. 3. Engine was definitely quieter. I have not voted yet. Want to ride around first for atleast 300 kms and then see if these improvement are due to the addition of BA or due to fresh Engine oil. @Finetuning: When would you recommend I should change the Engine Oil again? Cheers, Rajan
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4th January 2008, 23:19	#223
Sankar Senior - BHPian Join Date: May 2005 Location: Location Posts: 5,784 Thanked: 9,251 Times	Patchyboy, what if the new oil is making the bike ride smoother and gearshifts better? Ideally one should've tried this in the old oil itself to ascertain the difference it makes. I haven't tried this yet. And i don't refute the claims made because boron has lubricant properties. What i really would like to know is the % of difference boric acid alone causes.
	() Thanks

8th January 2008, 12:39	#225
prasannapatil Newbie Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Mumbai Posts: 11 Thanked: 0 Times	HI, I have tried on my bike (splendor) and my bike is giving me a very good FE....So i tried it on My OHC. I mixed the boric acid in the power steering oil.....dude the experience was bad....i am getting strange noises from the steering pump...think i have to replace it asap...getting KKRRRRRRR sound from the pump.....hehe i think i have damaged the pump i guess....Please advice..
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