My Experience With adding Boric Acid in Engine oil

finetuning · 16th June 2006, 15:00

Hi all,

In search of optimizing my vehicle I came across boric acid poweders ability as the best solid lubricant avavilable under extreme temparature & heat....I made study in this topic & I was so amazed with the benefit this can pass on to our engine......I think most product sold in the name of Boron treatment contains boric acid powder as major constituents.....this is very very new technique available very recently abroad.....All rotating parts in a car can be benefited by this like engine...gear box...wheels...

My findings are........

Boric acid is best biodegradable solid lubricant available right now....

It can be added in engine oil which is liquid lubricant....boron particles stick to metal surface forming boric oxide...this layer is so hard like diamond...tests proved it to be of 85% hardness of dimonds.....this layer reduces friction by more then 80%....which reduced heat....also improves performance....

Layers of boric oxide sticks parmanatly to engine surfaces....it also prevents corrosion.....wear of metals bcz of reduced friction...when engine opened...it can be easily washed away with just water...

I decided to try it on my own.....prepared a mixture of 5% powder with engine oil.....I made concentrated mixture of 175gramms powder with one liter of engine oil to be added in 3.0 liter of engine oil.....stirred it for half an hour by hand mixture....then added directly to engine oil.....

I found that my engine noise so much reduced.....also engine runnng 5% cool.....its almost 600km now ....cars runs much much smoother without any problem.....this is one time metal treatment rather then engine oil additive.....also I learned that it takes about 800 to 1600 km running for boron particles to stick to engine surface completely.....so more I drive better it will be.....

Then I added same concentrated mixture in gear box too with castrol gear oil.....gear shifting is really smooth now....its like a new car I feel.....now trying this treatment in wheel bearing with grease.....

Mileage not checked......car feels likegliding on the road....

Here are the links...

http://www.synergeticlubrication.com...cls%20bond.swf

http://www.synergeticlubrication.com...cls%20bond.swf

http://www.evergreenamerica.com/Technology.htm

http://www.evergreenamerica.com/FAQ.htm

Will share more soon.............

Enjoy.....

turbo_c · 16th June 2006, 17:08

Does boric powder dissolve in engine oil?

If not, I'm afraid that all of it will end up in your oil filter rather than sticking to metal surfaces... unless it is ground to particles that are fine enough to pass through the oil filter... not sure whether the average "carrom board grade" boric powder meets this criteria.

- T u r b o C -

deepug · 16th June 2006, 17:41

Finetuning

In one of the links you have given it is mentioned that hydrated boron is milled to under 1 micron and then suspended in oil.

Have you used the MotorSilk treatment or used the Boric acid we use normally for Carrom

Deepu

finetuning · 16th June 2006, 17:57

Hi,

Boric acid powder remains suspended in oil......its already in the range of 4 to 15 micron size......so I used normal "carrom Powder"....I was worried about the percentage of addition.....but its really working......motor silk is the product sold in usa and might not be available here......but the main content is boric acid with right fluid carrier...i.e.for engine...its mixed with regular engine oil....for gear box...its mixed with regular gear oil & so on....it can be added in grease too.....

I m waiting for first 1500km to be completed with this treatment.....one thing I noticed that more km I m addding more its becoming smoother.....

It costed me only Rs150 for half liter castrol magnatec oil+Powder....this boric acid must be in purest form found generally at chemists.....if oil filter is blocked then my engine could had been killed..but its working fine.......

Enjoy......

finetuning · 16th June 2006, 18:22

Here are links for more study....

http://www.transportation.anl.gov/re...oric_acid.html

http://www.altboron.com/technology/

http://grove.ufl.edu/~wgsawyer/Labor...chiningwp.HTML

http://www.memagazine.org/backissues...echfocus2.html

http://flux.aps.org/meetings/YR98/BA.../S4830007.html

http://www.natbat.com/what_is_boric_acid.htm

http://www.otchoice.com/Als/ALSFAQ.htm

http://www.altboron.com/products/pdf...stroke_eng.pdf

There is tremendous work done in friction reduction using boron....its not only 25 timer slipperier then best engine oil but its biodegradable too.....with boron treatments ...emission is reduced...engine runs cooler due to dramatic reduction in friction....engine performance improves due to tighter compression as all cavities...crevices are filled by lubricating boron particles which restores original compression....oil changing time can be doubled easily as minute metal parts which makes oil thick is the past thing with superior lubrication....boron was used in space shuttle programms as it fullfilled extreme physical conditions but was available commercially only recently.....

But in new car...it must be run at least 5k km to adopt piston rings well with cylinder then only this one time treatment must be done......

Enjoy.......

2fast4u · 16th June 2006, 18:32

i just wish i had an another spare car to try these kinds of experiments like
acetone to fuel
boric to engine oil

thanks for the info will try it on some volunteers car to see the results.

headers · 16th June 2006, 18:41

great finetuning..Maybe you should give us a report..

Cheers

Sideways · 16th June 2006, 18:59

Excellent work, finetuning. however one question - how did you come to a conclusion with respect to quantity of boric acid which is to be added to oil. I understand you have added 5% volume to total quantity of oil. can you please clarify. thanx.

finetuning · 16th June 2006, 19:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sideways

Excellent work, finetuning. however one question - how did you come to a conclusion with respect to quantity of boric acid which is to be added to oil. I understand you have added 5% volume to total quantity of oil. can you please clarify. thanx.

Dear sideways,

When I studied the usa patent on it....i found range from 0.5% to 50% & was very much confused......but there are fine points in it which states that most preffered range for engine oil is up to 15% and for grease it is 20% by weight....So being cautious I decided to go for 5%.......I think its working...

Enjoy....

Sideways · 16th June 2006, 19:08

Thank you very much for the clarification FT. can you please provide us with a link to the patent if you dont mind.

Joz · 16th June 2006, 19:36

Which vehicle are you running with this concoction? Diesel or Petrol? And what rpms are you driving at?

Good luck mate. You sure do have a lot of guts to try this on your own car.

finetuning · 16th June 2006, 21:01

Hi all,

The patent illustration link is

http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-P...&RS=PN/5431830

I m running 95 esteem with lpg & petrol....driving is normal....i mean to say in city like Mumbai there is no scope of anything in peak hours......

I found that engine oil additives are either sulpher or chlorine or graphites which are very toxic in nature....also when they work in extreme temparature their vapours are very very toxic at exhaust end....so its a very huge problem disposing used engine oil....its so toxic that if spilled in open areas can kill plants ...trees...& damage soils....against this.....this treatment is very safe...no such harmful effect....I was so much excited with this...also friction reduction up to 80% is proved at various labs internationally.....so wear & tear...so I decided to try.....

Since boron treated metal surface becomes corrosion resistant...its a good option for our engines...most wear & tear also occurs due to acid formation in combustion process........I was totally convinced by so many benefit of this wonderful treatment.....I m also very happy to share with u all....

Enjoy.....

msprabhakar · 16th June 2006, 21:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sideways

...can you please provide us with a link to the patent...

U.S. Pat. No. 5, 431,830, U.S. Pat. No. 6,368,369

DRC · 16th June 2006, 23:22

I think next try would be Sulphuric acid

Engine mein budbud kartha H2SO4 hai

loose control.......

Digital Vampire · 16th June 2006, 23:38

Finetuning...I really appreciate your guts in doing this on your car.
I'll soon be trying the acetone stuff...Waiting for more inputs on the boric acid experiment

View Poll Results: I have TRIED IT and have found that ...
It works wonders for my car/bike. I highly recommend it.	23	34.85%
Slight improvement, but I recommend it.	12	18.18%
No difference at all. Don't bother trying this non-sense stuff.	17	25.76%
It screwed my car!!! Stay away from all boron compounds!!!	14	21.21%
Voters: 66. You may not vote on this poll

16th June 2006, 15:00	#1
finetuning BHPian Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Mumbai Posts: 394 Thanked: 20 Times	My Experience With adding Boric Acid in Engine oil Hi all, In search of optimizing my vehicle I came across boric acid poweders ability as the best solid lubricant avavilable under extreme temparature & heat....I made study in this topic & I was so amazed with the benefit this can pass on to our engine......I think most product sold in the name of Boron treatment contains boric acid powder as major constituents.....this is very very new technique available very recently abroad.....All rotating parts in a car can be benefited by this like engine...gear box...wheels... My findings are........ Boric acid is best biodegradable solid lubricant available right now.... It can be added in engine oil which is liquid lubricant....boron particles stick to metal surface forming boric oxide...this layer is so hard like diamond...tests proved it to be of 85% hardness of dimonds.....this layer reduces friction by more then 80%....which reduced heat....also improves performance.... Layers of boric oxide sticks parmanatly to engine surfaces....it also prevents corrosion.....wear of metals bcz of reduced friction...when engine opened...it can be easily washed away with just water... I decided to try it on my own.....prepared a mixture of 5% powder with engine oil.....I made concentrated mixture of 175gramms powder with one liter of engine oil to be added in 3.0 liter of engine oil.....stirred it for half an hour by hand mixture....then added directly to engine oil..... I found that my engine noise so much reduced.....also engine runnng 5% cool.....its almost 600km now ....cars runs much much smoother without any problem.....this is one time metal treatment rather then engine oil additive.....also I learned that it takes about 800 to 1600 km running for boron particles to stick to engine surface completely.....so more I drive better it will be..... Then I added same concentrated mixture in gear box too with castrol gear oil.....gear shifting is really smooth now....its like a new car I feel.....now trying this treatment in wheel bearing with grease..... Mileage not checked......car feels likegliding on the road.... Here are the links... http://www.synergeticlubrication.com...cls%20bond.swf http://www.synergeticlubrication.com...cls%20bond.swf http://www.evergreenamerica.com/Technology.htm http://www.evergreenamerica.com/FAQ.htm Will share more soon............. Enjoy..... Last edited by ajmat : 17th June 2006 at 15:21.
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16th June 2006, 17:08	#2
turbo_c BHPian Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Pune / Mumbai Posts: 132 Thanked: 13 Times View My Garage	Does boric powder dissolve in engine oil? If not, I'm afraid that all of it will end up in your oil filter rather than sticking to metal surfaces... unless it is ground to particles that are fine enough to pass through the oil filter... not sure whether the average "carrom board grade" boric powder meets this criteria. - T u r b o C -
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16th June 2006, 17:41	#3
deepug BHPian Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Bangalore Posts: 91 Thanked: 27 Times	Finetuning In one of the links you have given it is mentioned that hydrated boron is milled to under 1 micron and then suspended in oil. Have you used the MotorSilk treatment or used the Boric acid we use normally for Carrom Deepu
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16th June 2006, 17:57	#4
finetuning BHPian Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Mumbai Posts: 394 Thanked: 20 Times	Hi, Boric acid powder remains suspended in oil......its already in the range of 4 to 15 micron size......so I used normal "carrom Powder"....I was worried about the percentage of addition.....but its really working......motor silk is the product sold in usa and might not be available here......but the main content is boric acid with right fluid carrier...i.e.for engine...its mixed with regular engine oil....for gear box...its mixed with regular gear oil & so on....it can be added in grease too..... I m waiting for first 1500km to be completed with this treatment.....one thing I noticed that more km I m addding more its becoming smoother..... It costed me only Rs150 for half liter castrol magnatec oil+Powder....this boric acid must be in purest form found generally at chemists.....if oil filter is blocked then my engine could had been killed..but its working fine....... Enjoy......
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16th June 2006, 18:22	#5
finetuning BHPian Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Mumbai Posts: 394 Thanked: 20 Times	Here are links for more study.... http://www.transportation.anl.gov/re...oric_acid.html http://www.altboron.com/technology/ http://grove.ufl.edu/~wgsawyer/Labor...chiningwp.HTML http://www.memagazine.org/backissues...echfocus2.html http://flux.aps.org/meetings/YR98/BA.../S4830007.html http://www.natbat.com/what_is_boric_acid.htm http://www.otchoice.com/Als/ALSFAQ.htm http://www.altboron.com/products/pdf...stroke_eng.pdf There is tremendous work done in friction reduction using boron....its not only 25 timer slipperier then best engine oil but its biodegradable too.....with boron treatments ...emission is reduced...engine runs cooler due to dramatic reduction in friction....engine performance improves due to tighter compression as all cavities...crevices are filled by lubricating boron particles which restores original compression....oil changing time can be doubled easily as minute metal parts which makes oil thick is the past thing with superior lubrication....boron was used in space shuttle programms as it fullfilled extreme physical conditions but was available commercially only recently..... But in new car...it must be run at least 5k km to adopt piston rings well with cylinder then only this one time treatment must be done...... Enjoy.......
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16th June 2006, 18:32	#6
2fast4u BHPian Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: pune / Bahrain Posts: 488 Thanked: 7 Times View My Garage	i just wish i had an another spare car to try these kinds of experiments like acetone to fuel boric to engine oil thanks for the info will try it on some volunteers car to see the results.
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16th June 2006, 18:41	#7
headers Senior - BHPian Join Date: May 2006 Location: Greater Chennai Posts: 4,667 Thanked: 564 Times	great finetuning..Maybe you should give us a report.. Cheers
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16th June 2006, 18:59	#8
Sideways BHPian Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Madras - India Posts: 640 Thanked: 32 Times View My Garage	Excellent work, finetuning. however one question - how did you come to a conclusion with respect to quantity of boric acid which is to be added to oil. I understand you have added 5% volume to total quantity of oil. can you please clarify. thanx.
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16th June 2006, 19:08	#10
Sideways BHPian Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Madras - India Posts: 640 Thanked: 32 Times View My Garage	Thank you very much for the clarification FT. can you please provide us with a link to the patent if you dont mind.
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16th June 2006, 19:36	#11
Joz BHPian Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Dubai Posts: 247 Thanked: 3 Times	Which vehicle are you running with this concoction? Diesel or Petrol? And what rpms are you driving at? Good luck mate. You sure do have a lot of guts to try this on your own car.
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16th June 2006, 21:01	#12
finetuning BHPian Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Mumbai Posts: 394 Thanked: 20 Times	Hi all, The patent illustration link is http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-P...&RS=PN/5431830 I m running 95 esteem with lpg & petrol....driving is normal....i mean to say in city like Mumbai there is no scope of anything in peak hours...... I found that engine oil additives are either sulpher or chlorine or graphites which are very toxic in nature....also when they work in extreme temparature their vapours are very very toxic at exhaust end....so its a very huge problem disposing used engine oil....its so toxic that if spilled in open areas can kill plants ...trees...& damage soils....against this.....this treatment is very safe...no such harmful effect....I was so much excited with this...also friction reduction up to 80% is proved at various labs internationally.....so wear & tear...so I decided to try..... Since boron treated metal surface becomes corrosion resistant...its a good option for our engines...most wear & tear also occurs due to acid formation in combustion process........I was totally convinced by so many benefit of this wonderful treatment.....I m also very happy to share with u all.... Enjoy.....
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16th June 2006, 23:22	#14
DRC BHPian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cockpit Posts: 907 Thanked: 67 Times View My Garage	I think next try would be Sulphuric acid Engine mein budbud kartha H2SO4 hai loose control.......
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16th June 2006, 23:38	#15
Digital Vampire BHPian Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Utopia! Posts: 605 Thanked: 121 Times	Finetuning...I really appreciate your guts in doing this on your car. I'll soon be trying the acetone stuff...Waiting for more inputs on the boric acid experiment
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