Which is quicker Bike or Car ?

Rehaan · 26th March 2004, 15:12

Hey guys,

Ive always known that bikes are much faster... insane amounts of power and huge power to weight ratios.

Everyone knows that bikes can kill cars in the quarter mile.

So it came as a (pleasant) suprise to me when i found out that cars are actually faster on a circuit!

The breaking is where the car's 4 wheels come into play ;-] and just give so much more traction and hence better, less lethal stopping power.

heres a vid where Jeremy Clarkson has arranged a 4wd Carrera (slower than a 2wd on the dry circuit) against a Yamaha R1...so he can show the footage to all the bike guys and finally tell them to SHUT UP! ;-]

http://www.daidegas.it/Video....0R1.wmv

cheers

ps - if that link doesnt work this is the page where its from>
Huge archive of some AWESOME AWESOME AWESOME bike vids
http://www.daidegas.it (click on video)

Shan2nu · 26th March 2004, 16:10

No doubt about that man. On a circuit, no bike can match a car of the same standard.

I had posted a message on this topic a few months ago on FI.

Check out some of the laptimes of an F1 car when compared to SBK and MotoGP.

It goes like this..............Here are some of the pole position lap times achieved by F1, SBK and MotoGp riders on a given track.

This gives you an idea as to how fast F1 cars, SBk and MotoGp bikes are.

I guess all the power to weight stuff doesn't really help bikers when
they're put up against the mighty F1 cars.

2002 Pole Position Times

Suzuka, Japan.
F1 - Pole Pos time - Michael Schumacher - 1min 31.317secs
Moto GP - Pole Pos time - Loris Capirossi - 2min 05.052secs

Sepang, Malaysia
F1 - Pole Pos Time - Michael Schumacher - 1min 35.266secs
Moto GP - Pole Pos Time - Tohru Ukawa - 2min 05.106secs

Imola, Italy
F1 - Pole Pos Time - Michael Schumacher - 1min 21.091secs
SBK - Pole Pos Time - Collin Edwards - 1min 48.336secs

Monza, Italy
F1 - Pole Pos Time - Montoya - 1min 20.264secs
SBK - Pole Pos Time - Neil Hodgson - 1min 48.282secs

Silverstone, Great Britain
F1 - Pole Pos Time - Montoya - 1min 18.998secs
SBk - Pols Pos Time - Troy Bayliss - 1min 47.729secs

Assens, Netherland
SBK - Pole Pos Time - Collin Edwards - 2min 01.966secs
Moto GP - Pole Pos Time - ValentinoRossi - 2min 01.691secs

Phillip Island, Australia
SBK - Pole Pos Time - Collin Edwards - 1min 32.767secs
Moto GP - Pole Pos Time - Jeremy McWilliams - 1min 31.919secs

Valencia , Spain
SBK - Pole Pos Time - Ruben Xaus - 1min 34.927secs
Moto GP - Pole Pos Time - Max Biaggi - 1min 33.211secs

There really isn't much difference between SBK and MotoGP lap times.

Regards...
Shan2nu

zen · 26th March 2004, 16:26

wow! Never would've thought that!

*off to hunt for the codec*

Shan2nu · 26th March 2004, 16:39

It's like this, if you were to race a Hayabusa against a Westfield XTR (which has a busa engine) on a tight track like the one on Top Gear, i don't think the Busa can even come close to the XTRs time of 1:22.6 secs.

Bikes are straight line rockets, but no track burners.

Regards...
Shan2nu

rgowani · 26th March 2004, 16:43

Yea that is true.....Nice video by the way. THere was also an Article in Top Gear about this.

Gordon · 26th March 2004, 19:05

I guess its not only the four wheels, but aerodynamics also that come into play
that huge bloody downforce that they create helps them to turn faster on higher speeds

Aditya · 27th March 2004, 01:25

I got the entire Head to Head CD. The bike has a better power to weight ratio that sees it storm past the car to start with. Think of it, a Suzuki Hayabusa accelerates to 60mph in less than 3 secs - a time even the McLaren F1 can't match. But the car has 4 wheels that makes cornering easy compared to the bike. That's where the bike loses out.

Shan2nu · 27th March 2004, 03:36

Can't say the same about the bikes in India.

Frankly if you compare the Pulsar 180 DTSi and the Karizma with Indian cars, you realise how far these bikes need to go before they can even match their 4 wheeled rivals.

Now how about a sub 10 sec bike!!!

Regards...
Shan2nu

Rehaan · 27th March 2004, 06:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by [b

Quote[/b] (Shan2nu @ Mar. 27 2004,02:06)]Now how about a sub 10 sec bike!!!

It is called a Hayabusa (with no mods)!

Shan2nu · 27th March 2004, 16:05

For India dude!!! 10 secs as in 0-100kmph lol

Ofcourse the Yam Dragstar can do that.

Regards...
Shan2nu

Shan2nu · 27th March 2004, 16:06

Here's a simlar topic on another forum, they even have a vid of a bike beating an F1 car........Yeah Right!!!!

http://www.bikechatforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=21393

Regards...
Shan2nu

Shan2nu · 27th March 2004, 16:11

That F1 car was cruising man and i don't think a street bike can overtake an F1 car on the straights. BTW was that an F1 car???

Damn....those cheats!!!!!!

Regards...
Shan2nu

GTO · 28th March 2004, 01:56

I am not really a biker, just love the amount and depth of technology that you can pack in a 4 wheeler. Yes cars are quicker than bikes around a track for downforce, braking and the fact that you would take MORE risks with a body shell protecting you, rather than without it.

GTO

karthik247 · 30th March 2005, 22:43

the video with the carrera and the R1 clears things up..the R1 was struggling to keep up with the cars' pace.. but as i rem. the R1 overtakes the car in the end

cheatingdeath · 30th March 2005, 22:53

so logically tat means it is more difficult to be a bke rider than a car driver.. i.e .... a bike is more difficlut to ride on a circuit compared to the car....

26th March 2004, 15:12	#1
Rehaan Team-BHP Support Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Bombay Posts: 24,218 Thanked: 36,174 Times	Hey guys, Ive always known that bikes are much faster... insane amounts of power and huge power to weight ratios. Everyone knows that bikes can kill cars in the quarter mile. So it came as a (pleasant) suprise to me when i found out that cars are actually faster on a circuit! The breaking is where the car's 4 wheels come into play ;-] and just give so much more traction and hence better, less lethal stopping power. heres a vid where Jeremy Clarkson has arranged a 4wd Carrera (slower than a 2wd on the dry circuit) against a Yamaha R1...so he can show the footage to all the bike guys and finally tell them to SHUT UP! ;-] http://www.daidegas.it/Video....0R1.wmv cheers ps - if that link doesnt work this is the page where its from> Huge archive of some AWESOME AWESOME AWESOME bike vids http://www.daidegas.it (click on video)
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26th March 2004, 16:10	#2
Shan2nu Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Hubli - Karnata Posts: 5,533 Thanked: 127 Times View My Garage	No doubt about that man. On a circuit, no bike can match a car of the same standard. I had posted a message on this topic a few months ago on FI. Check out some of the laptimes of an F1 car when compared to SBK and MotoGP. It goes like this..............Here are some of the pole position lap times achieved by F1, SBK and MotoGp riders on a given track. This gives you an idea as to how fast F1 cars, SBk and MotoGp bikes are. I guess all the power to weight stuff doesn't really help bikers when they're put up against the mighty F1 cars. 2002 Pole Position Times Suzuka, Japan. F1 - Pole Pos time - Michael Schumacher - 1min 31.317secs Moto GP - Pole Pos time - Loris Capirossi - 2min 05.052secs Sepang, Malaysia F1 - Pole Pos Time - Michael Schumacher - 1min 35.266secs Moto GP - Pole Pos Time - Tohru Ukawa - 2min 05.106secs Imola, Italy F1 - Pole Pos Time - Michael Schumacher - 1min 21.091secs SBK - Pole Pos Time - Collin Edwards - 1min 48.336secs Monza, Italy F1 - Pole Pos Time - Montoya - 1min 20.264secs SBK - Pole Pos Time - Neil Hodgson - 1min 48.282secs Silverstone, Great Britain F1 - Pole Pos Time - Montoya - 1min 18.998secs SBk - Pols Pos Time - Troy Bayliss - 1min 47.729secs Assens, Netherland SBK - Pole Pos Time - Collin Edwards - 2min 01.966secs Moto GP - Pole Pos Time - ValentinoRossi - 2min 01.691secs Phillip Island, Australia SBK - Pole Pos Time - Collin Edwards - 1min 32.767secs Moto GP - Pole Pos Time - Jeremy McWilliams - 1min 31.919secs Valencia , Spain SBK - Pole Pos Time - Ruben Xaus - 1min 34.927secs Moto GP - Pole Pos Time - Max Biaggi - 1min 33.211secs There really isn't much difference between SBK and MotoGP lap times. Regards... Shan2nu
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26th March 2004, 16:26	#3
zen BHPian Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 74 Thanked: 18 Times	wow! Never would've thought that! off to hunt for the codec
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26th March 2004, 16:39	#4
Shan2nu Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Hubli - Karnata Posts: 5,533 Thanked: 127 Times View My Garage	It's like this, if you were to race a Hayabusa against a Westfield XTR (which has a busa engine) on a tight track like the one on Top Gear, i don't think the Busa can even come close to the XTRs time of 1:22.6 secs. Bikes are straight line rockets, but no track burners. Regards... Shan2nu
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26th March 2004, 16:43	#5
rgowani BHPian Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Mumbai Posts: 246 Thanked: 6 Times	Yea that is true.....Nice video by the way. THere was also an Article in Top Gear about this.
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26th March 2004, 19:05	#6
Gordon Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Mumbai Posts: 2,549 Thanked: 508 Times View My Garage	I guess its not only the four wheels, but aerodynamics also that come into play that huge bloody downforce that they create helps them to turn faster on higher speeds
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27th March 2004, 01:25	#7
Aditya Team-BHP Support Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Mumbai Posts: 20,179 Thanked: 87,003 Times View My Garage	I got the entire Head to Head CD. The bike has a better power to weight ratio that sees it storm past the car to start with. Think of it, a Suzuki Hayabusa accelerates to 60mph in less than 3 secs - a time even the McLaren F1 can't match. But the car has 4 wheels that makes cornering easy compared to the bike. That's where the bike loses out.
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27th March 2004, 03:36	#8
Shan2nu Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Hubli - Karnata Posts: 5,533 Thanked: 127 Times View My Garage	Can't say the same about the bikes in India. Frankly if you compare the Pulsar 180 DTSi and the Karizma with Indian cars, you realise how far these bikes need to go before they can even match their 4 wheeled rivals. Now how about a sub 10 sec bike!!! Regards... Shan2nu
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27th March 2004, 16:05	#10
Shan2nu Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Hubli - Karnata Posts: 5,533 Thanked: 127 Times View My Garage	For India dude!!! 10 secs as in 0-100kmph lol Ofcourse the Yam Dragstar can do that. Regards... Shan2nu
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27th March 2004, 16:06	#11
Shan2nu Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Hubli - Karnata Posts: 5,533 Thanked: 127 Times View My Garage	Here's a simlar topic on another forum, they even have a vid of a bike beating an F1 car........Yeah Right!!!! http://www.bikechatforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=21393 Regards... Shan2nu
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27th March 2004, 16:11	#12
Shan2nu Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Hubli - Karnata Posts: 5,533 Thanked: 127 Times View My Garage	That F1 car was cruising man and i don't think a street bike can overtake an F1 car on the straights. BTW was that an F1 car??? Damn....those cheats!!!!!! Regards... Shan2nu
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28th March 2004, 01:56	#13
GTO Team-BHP Support Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Bombay Posts: 71,860 Thanked: 323,036 Times View My Garage	I am not really a biker, just love the amount and depth of technology that you can pack in a 4 wheeler. Yes cars are quicker than bikes around a track for downforce, braking and the fact that you would take MORE risks with a body shell protecting you, rather than without it. GTO
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30th March 2005, 22:43	#14
karthik247 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: BLR, HYD Posts: 2,710 Thanked: 30 Times	the video with the carrera and the R1 clears things up..the R1 was struggling to keep up with the cars' pace.. but as i rem. the R1 overtakes the car in the end
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30th March 2005, 22:53	#15
cheatingdeath BHPian Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Mumbai Posts: 275 Thanked: 10 Times	so logically tat means it is more difficult to be a bke rider than a car driver.. i.e .... a bike is more difficlut to ride on a circuit compared to the car....
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