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Originally Posted by a4anurag Parallely, during this, was in conversation with Parag Sachania and Leoshashi for suggestions and methods to solve the issue. Also because Parag too was facing the same in his Ertiga, would be of help to us both at the same time. Sincere thanks to both of them for being in constant touch. |
The issue (If it indeed was) that I was facing in the Ertiga was similar if not same - With no difference in Top end performance or FE, it was more experienced in B2B traffic. There was this noticeable hesitation in picking up speeds while Turbo was kicking in normally. Most importantly, that knocking clatter like the one you shared was never experienced in my car.
Took a while to realise that this was fuel related and one of the first culprit was the Diesel Filter that wasn't replaced after more than 20,000 kms. Post replacement, everything was back to normal but that joy was short-lived - Documented in detail in my ownership thread.
To isolate various components, we checked the Fuel Pump, Fuel Tank (for any Dirt) and finally we zeroed in on the Injectors and since removing and cleaning the Injectors was the last option, I took had taken the Liqui Moly Diesel Purge route with more or less no difference felt after using almost as prescribed.
Reason:There was probably no issue with the Injectors at all. The ASC was very particular when they drove and said if the injectors are clogged, there is this distinct knocking like noise when you rev up or even in idle. None of this was present in my case.
When I showed the video you shared with that noisy knocking, It became very evident that the issue was indeed with the injectors and nothing else. Hence, I am very interested to see a Before-After comparison here. Please share if you have that. At least that can be a wonderful success story to share here.
Comparing DTC Values of another car:
Beyond that, As we discussed, I also compared the DTC Values, both at Idle and at Higher RPMS and noticed that there was difference mainly in the "Total Fuel Injected" parameter. Below image should give you an idea that this was lower in my case. However, It was important to note the fact that the other differentiator here was the Engine Temperature of both the Ertigas. While mine had attained Operating Temperature, the other Ertiga had not.
(click on Image for better readability)
On comparing these values instantly, it was a Eureka moment but I only blame this on the momentary excitement and nothing else. I shared this with
Leoshashi and Upon showing this to
Audioholic he was quick to notice that the Engine Temperature of both the cars were different
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It meant one thing - That fuel injected quantity will vary between 2 cars based on Engine Temperature as well, whether its a Lean mixture (after engine warms up) or a Rich Mixture (Cold Starts). So this was no way to say that my injectors were clogged.
Other parameters like Idle Speed, Fuel Rail Pressure:
Notice in the above picture that for both the Ertigas that the Desired Idle and Desired Rail Pressure have different values. However, the Actual Values are same as what was Desired for both. It just concludes that things were normal when it came to what was Desired by the Map at that particular combination of Temperature and Engine speed and what the car was showing.
Throttle Position:
All this was recorded with RPM around 2700 and you can notice the amount of throttle applied in both the cars - While ACC Position was 5.88% in my Ertiga, it was 6.67% In another Ertiga which still had not warmed up. It means, with a lesser throttle input, my car was still at the same RPM as the other.
With all this, it was becoming clear that the issue was indeed not entirely the Injectors as there was Zero evidence even with the noise like you had shared. The Engine note was crisp, Zero vibrations at Idle speed too.
EGR, Intake Manifold and Intercooler Cleaning solved it?
In my recent service, I got the EGR cleaned along with the Intake Manifold and Intercooler. Post that there was marginal improvement and I asked the ASC to delay replacing the fuel filter till this tank lasted. After this, I drove for more than 1000 kms and then replaced the fuel filter again
which I had kept pending. I have to admit that the difference now is easily noticeable. Whether it was the EGR or the Intake Manifold - Not sure even now but ultimately things have settled down.
As I said earlier, It would be wonderful to have a comparision video now Anurag since you mention in one of the response that the noise is reduced by 40%.
What I would still do is to compare the 2 Ertigas again when both cars have same/similar engine Temperature.
Few Pictures taken when I had used the Diesel Purge 2 months back, more importantly to show how to isolate the Low Pressure Fuel Pump by pulling out the
Relay while you carry out this testing which you mentioned here:
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Originally Posted by a4anurag Step - 8: Pull out the fuse for the fuel pump from the fuse box located in the engine bay so the pump in the fuel tank doesn't run throwing diesel onto the engine from the pipes that were disconnected in Step - 4. |
Which relay to Pull:
Clearly marked on the Relay Box located inside the Engine Bay:
The relay removed:
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Originally Posted by a4anurag Step - 5: Change the fuel filter (IF older than 10,000 kms) before beginning the test. |
Any particular reason to change the filter before this test is performed? Since you are anyway isolating the Primary fuel supply line including the Fuel Filter by using a separate Fuel pump, how will changing the fuel filter make a difference?
Or did you mean to say that one must replace the Fuel Filter with a fresh one soon after this test is performed so expect better results? I assume you meant this only.
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Originally Posted by a4anurag I'll search for the recording in my other phone. Don't have them currently and moreover the recording aren't clear as background noise recorded is higher. I have a video that I shot when I was doing a small trial by removing the to intercooler hose. |
Are you referring that the Video you shared with me was with Intercooler hose removed? Even then, the knocking/clatter was clearly noticeable in that one and not sure if that kind of a sound can be due to intercooler hose removed. A clear sign of clogged injectors that was.
This is a video of the way the Engine responded based on throttle inputs which I had recorded at least 2 months before. This was even before the Fuel filter was replaced that had solved the problem and I had updated here:
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Originally Posted by paragsachania Issue fixed - It was the Diesel Filter |
Notice that there is no knocking or unusual clatter heard like the one you had shared?
Hence I am very keen to know how your car sounds now after this exercise which will help me too.