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Originally Posted by sandygordon I have been having a DCT issue for past few weeks. The gear ratio gets stuck in D2 without upshifting when in normal mode. For the last couple of times D2 shifts to D4 after revving to 3.5k RPM. Does not go through D3. Shifts back to D2 from D4 on slowing down. Does not shift down to D1.
Had shown to the service center. They checked it and said that it was a niggle with the code that prevents the odd gear-actuator from activating 1, 3 and 5 gears. |
This seems to be a serious issue, and surely not just a software niggle. Am hoping though, that it is, and can be curated accordingly.
I am not fully aware of how KIA has adopted the dual clutch technology for its gearboxes, but from my understanding of how VW uses this for its cars, the below diagram gives a fundamental explanation of the clutch actuators and how the entire assembly works:-
The clutch K1 assembly transfers the torque to drive shaft 1 (blue color), thereby transferring torque further for odd gears 1,3,5,7.
On the other hand, the clutch K2 assembly transfers the torque to drvie shaft 2 (green color), transferring torque for even gears 2,4,6 and R also.
If we correlate the above diagram functioning to what you are facing, then it probably looks like there is an isolated problem with the clutch assembly/drive shaft handling the torque for odd gears. Or it could also be a case of the mass flywheel not able to trigger the required torque for the odd-geared clutch assembly.
Either ways, it seems more of a mechanical rather than a software issue. However, it would be obviously good to get the experts (the real ones) from the KIA service center to validate the root cause.
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Originally Posted by itwasntme I will recommend you not drive it at all except to the service station (hopefully not too far away). Please take care and ideally a flatbed should be used if you can. |
Totally agree. Please refrain from driving, lest the gearbox may get damaged beyond a point at which KIA may put the blame on you. I know this is probably an overreaction, but you don't know the level of idiosyncrasies around, especially in matters like these.
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Originally Posted by Vigkey I guess the DCT has a manual shift option as well. Did you try to shift to the odd gears manually? Was wondering how the gearbox behaved from there. As in, did it shift to even gears immediately or did it shift per the rpm or did it keep shifting to odd gears only?
Also, how is the reverse working?? If Im not wrong, the same clutch and actuator controls the reverse as well. |
I also have the same queries
sandy, have you tried shifting manually?
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Originally Posted by d3mon There's a recall in Korea for the exact problem.The actual recall notice is in Korean, but some quick Google Translation-fu reveals that the reason for the failure is mechanical.
Please insist on a full gearbox replacement as Kia know it's a manufacturing defect, and that's the process they are following in Korea |
Indeed, replacement is the ideal decision. But if
sandy's case is the first to be reported in India for this problem, then he might have to follow-up with KIA a lot.
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Originally Posted by sandygordon They said they have updated the software as per direction from Kia |
Can you ask them for what exactly have they done in the software upgrade? I have a hunch they will not share easily, but no harm in trying to know what have they done specifically.
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To my surprise, the software update has deleted the transmission temperature display
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This is nothing but a CRIME in my view, and you should call it out to them. Either the guys doing it have no idea what they are doing OR they are doing the deletion intentionally to not allow you to check the temperature gauge hereonwards, for fear that you will go back to them with more questions.
Whatever it is, please ask them to involve KIA India folks right away so that the entire episode is documented properly and investigated with your permission.
Trust me, in my experience of having driven a DSG Vento for 75k+km, the transmission temperature gauge is the one thing I probably miss the most in terms of critical features not provided by VW.
Since the Seltos has it, treat it like an extraordinary gift. Please do not let the service center idiots mess with that.