Synthetic Gear Oil

cyneverdie · 27th October 2007, 19:11

Hi people

just spoke to my friendly neighbour hood Mobil 1 MAN

Lubricants

SPOKE TO HIM BRIEFLY
poor chap was busy
will speak to him on monday

called him for synthetic gear oil
i have a swift it needs api gl4 75w90

from his website & others the only mo=bil 1 gearoil i saw was gl 5 rated

he also told me that MARUTI SX4 dealers have been using [sourced from him] mobil 1 synthetic gear oil !!!!!
apparently they used SHELL s but had problems with it & switched to MOBIL 1 !!!!!

heavy and impressive for me

need to know if gl 5 rated synthetic gearoil will have a bad effect on my petrol swift which is supposed to run gl 4 rated stuff?

Its a 14000 km good condition swift so i am sure the gearbox is in fine working condition with no issues

anyone running synthetic gear oil in the swift ?

Anyone can tell me if the SX4 comes stock with synthetic motor oil?
will download the manual later ..just curious

will speak to my mobil 1 dude on monday & update

offtopic any MUMBAI boys used KSmotorsports ' s car service center?in mumbai?
wanted to know the name of their ENGINE DECARB machine & QUALITY of care expected by them >called them i guess too late today nobody answered

cheers people

cy

cyneverdie · 27th October 2007, 20:02

Gear oils are classified by the American Petroleum Institute using GL ratings. For example, most modern gearboxes require a GL4 oil, and separate differentials (where fitted) require a GL5 oil. It is important that purchasers check the oil against the vehicle manufacturer's specification to ensure it does not contain any aggressive chemicals that may attack gear components, such as the phosphor bronze used in many Japanese boxes.

API viscosity ratings for gear oils are not directly comparable with those for motor oil, and they are thinner than the figures suggest. For example, many modern gearboxes use a 75W90 gear oil, which is actually of equivalent viscosity to a 10W40 motor oil. Multigrade gear oils are becoming more common; while gear oil does not reach the temperatures of motor oil, it does warm up appreciably as the car is driven, due mostly to shear friction (with a small amount of heat conduction through the bellhousing from the engine block).

Fully synthetic gear oils are also used in many vehicles, and have a greater resistance to shear breakdown than mineral oils. They can improve the shifting performance of "difficult" gearboxes, where the excessive slipperiness of some mineral oils can impede synchromesh action.

shock · 29th September 2009, 22:53

Any updates on this? my sx4 s going for his 3rd service. I have mobil 1 engine oil with me. Any Idea where can I get synthetic gear oil? Also at what interval we change gear oil? Sorry I lost my service book that is why. please update me fellow sx4 owners

Kinetik · 29th September 2009, 23:23

try OWS fully syhthetic Gearbox oil Distributor's List

Roy.S · 30th September 2009, 00:09

OWS synthetic gearbox oil was Rs2240/l when I checked a couple of months back. Any idea how much Mobil1 costs? I was told (by the dealer) Mobil1 fully synthetic gearbox oil comes in 20l drums only.
The MASS use mineral for the gearbox. I know mine does.

Kinetik · 30th September 2009, 11:13

you can actualy use the OWS Gearbox additive OWS 230, it is Rs 760rs per tube per gearbox

My personal suggestion use the MASS oil and this additive its the perfect combo

sgiitk · 30th September 2009, 12:18

Do we really need synths for the gearbox. I am yet to hear of a modern gearbox failing in even 200,000km!

theMAG · 30th September 2009, 13:08

As a user of synthetic gear oil currently, I can tell you that while there is a positive difference in gear shifts compared to mineral, its nowhere as significant as the change is for engine oil switch over. You should be able to do just fine with the stock gearbox oil

JVH · 30th September 2009, 13:31

I agree with the theMAG. I was about to change to synthetic when I chanced upon a friend who is using it. He voiced the same opinion helping me in saving a couple of bucks. Heck! even the Mobil 1 dealer here didn't mention any significant benefit.

chiragh_bir · 30th September 2009, 13:32

what is ther interval for changing G B oil ?

My getz have done 45k !!

Mr_Bean · 30th September 2009, 13:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by chiragh_bir

what is ther interval for changing G B oil ?

My getz have done 45k !!

Every 20k kms you need to change gear-box oil.

chiragh_bir · 30th September 2009, 14:40

oh!!

this weekend time to refill gearbox with new oil !! any precautions while changing it??

Kinetik · 30th September 2009, 14:59

thats exactly why gearbox additive makes more sense as its just 760rs per gearbox I have used it personally with mineral oil and can definately feel an improvement over stock mineral oil.

Particularly in ghats and high load situations and once you have done more than 10,000kms

Roy.S · 30th September 2009, 15:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kinetik

thats exactly why gearbox additive makes more sense.....

The OWS 230 additive was not available in Blr when I checked during my last service. Its been 6k km since the gearbox oil was replaced. Is it ok to add now or should I wait until the next change?
Anybody know where Wurth gearbox additive is available? What other brands are recommended?

Kinetik · 30th September 2009, 16:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roy.S

The OWS 230 additive was not available in Blr when I checked during my last service. Its been 6k km since the gearbox oil was replaced. Is it ok to add now or should I wait until the next change?
Anybody know where Wurth gearbox additive is available? What other brands are recommended?

Better to add before 10,000.00 kms , have called for a friend going to pick mine up day after tomorrow

27th October 2007, 19:11	#1
cyneverdie BHPian Join Date: May 2006 Location: bombay Posts: 440 Thanked: 6 Times	Synthetic Gear Oil Hi people just spoke to my friendly neighbour hood Mobil 1 MAN Lubricants SPOKE TO HIM BRIEFLY poor chap was busy will speak to him on monday called him for synthetic gear oil i have a swift it needs api gl4 75w90 from his website & others the only mo=bil 1 gearoil i saw was gl 5 rated he also told me that MARUTI SX4 dealers have been using [sourced from him] mobil 1 synthetic gear oil !!!!! apparently they used SHELL s but had problems with it & switched to MOBIL 1 !!!!! heavy and impressive for me need to know if gl 5 rated synthetic gearoil will have a bad effect on my petrol swift which is supposed to run gl 4 rated stuff? Its a 14000 km good condition swift so i am sure the gearbox is in fine working condition with no issues anyone running synthetic gear oil in the swift ? Anyone can tell me if the SX4 comes stock with synthetic motor oil? will download the manual later ..just curious will speak to my mobil 1 dude on monday & update offtopic any MUMBAI boys used KSmotorsports ' s car service center?in mumbai? wanted to know the name of their ENGINE DECARB machine & QUALITY of care expected by them >called them i guess too late today nobody answered cheers people cy Last edited by cyneverdie : 27th October 2007 at 19:13.
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27th October 2007, 20:02	#2
cyneverdie BHPian Join Date: May 2006 Location: bombay Posts: 440 Thanked: 6 Times	Gear oils are classified by the American Petroleum Institute using GL ratings. For example, most modern gearboxes require a GL4 oil, and separate differentials (where fitted) require a GL5 oil. It is important that purchasers check the oil against the vehicle manufacturer's specification to ensure it does not contain any aggressive chemicals that may attack gear components, such as the phosphor bronze used in many Japanese boxes. API viscosity ratings for gear oils are not directly comparable with those for motor oil, and they are thinner than the figures suggest. For example, many modern gearboxes use a 75W90 gear oil, which is actually of equivalent viscosity to a 10W40 motor oil. Multigrade gear oils are becoming more common; while gear oil does not reach the temperatures of motor oil, it does warm up appreciably as the car is driven, due mostly to shear friction (with a small amount of heat conduction through the bellhousing from the engine block). Fully synthetic gear oils are also used in many vehicles, and have a greater resistance to shear breakdown than mineral oils. They can improve the shifting performance of "difficult" gearboxes, where the excessive slipperiness of some mineral oils can impede synchromesh action.
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29th September 2009, 22:53	#3
shock BHPian Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Bangalore Posts: 56 Thanked: 0 Times	Any updates on this? my sx4 s going for his 3rd service. I have mobil 1 engine oil with me. Any Idea where can I get synthetic gear oil? Also at what interval we change gear oil? Sorry I lost my service book that is why. please update me fellow sx4 owners
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29th September 2009, 23:23	#4
Kinetik BHPian Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Mumbai Posts: 324 Thanked: 7 Times	try OWS fully syhthetic Gearbox oil Distributor's List
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30th September 2009, 00:09	#5
Roy.S BHPian Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Bangalore Posts: 707 Thanked: 946 Times	OWS synthetic gearbox oil was Rs2240/l when I checked a couple of months back. Any idea how much Mobil1 costs? I was told (by the dealer) Mobil1 fully synthetic gearbox oil comes in 20l drums only. The MASS use mineral for the gearbox. I know mine does.
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30th September 2009, 11:13	#6
Kinetik BHPian Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Mumbai Posts: 324 Thanked: 7 Times	you can actualy use the OWS Gearbox additive OWS 230, it is Rs 760rs per tube per gearbox My personal suggestion use the MASS oil and this additive its the perfect combo
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30th September 2009, 12:18	#7
sgiitk BANNED Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Gurugram Posts: 7,969 Thanked: 4,788 Times	Do we really need synths for the gearbox. I am yet to hear of a modern gearbox failing in even 200,000km!
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30th September 2009, 13:08	#8
theMAG Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: May 2006 Location: Avon, CT Posts: 7,217 Thanked: 1,807 Times View My Garage	As a user of synthetic gear oil currently, I can tell you that while there is a positive difference in gear shifts compared to mineral, its nowhere as significant as the change is for engine oil switch over. You should be able to do just fine with the stock gearbox oil
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30th September 2009, 13:31	#9
JVH Senior - BHPian Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Bangalore Posts: 1,045 Thanked: 207 Times	I agree with the theMAG. I was about to change to synthetic when I chanced upon a friend who is using it. He voiced the same opinion helping me in saving a couple of bucks. Heck! even the Mobil 1 dealer here didn't mention any significant benefit.
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30th September 2009, 13:32	#10
chiragh_bir Senior - BHPian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: In front of you :P Posts: 1,123 Thanked: 74 Times View My Garage	what is ther interval for changing G B oil ? My getz have done 45k !!
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30th September 2009, 14:40	#12
chiragh_bir Senior - BHPian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: In front of you :P Posts: 1,123 Thanked: 74 Times View My Garage	oh!! this weekend time to refill gearbox with new oil !! any precautions while changing it??
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30th September 2009, 14:59	#13
Kinetik BHPian Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Mumbai Posts: 324 Thanked: 7 Times	thats exactly why gearbox additive makes more sense as its just 760rs per gearbox I have used it personally with mineral oil and can definately feel an improvement over stock mineral oil. Particularly in ghats and high load situations and once you have done more than 10,000kms
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