Swift 2nd Gear Problem EDIT: Now first gear problem

BUSA · 28th December 2007, 14:33

Now the car refuses to slot into first gear. Same problem as before but with 1st gear. The dealer checked and has told me its a problem with 1st gear synchro, apparently others are also facing similar issues. The batch to which my Swift belongs has defective gear synchros.

He has ordered the part and it will take 2 days for it to come. Damn MSIL and their cost cutting.

lambuhere1 · 28th December 2007, 14:37

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Originally Posted by BUSA

Now the car refuses to slot into first gear. Same problem as before but with 1st gear. The dealer checked and has told me its a problem with 1st gear synchro, apparently others are also facing similar issues. The batch to which my Swift belongs has defective gear synchros.

He has ordered the part and it will take 2 days for it to come. Damn MSIL and their cost cutting.

Busa

Can you tell me the lot of cars which is facing this issue ? I got mine in Aug 2007 and sometimes I face issues with second gear, not observed frequently

Thanks

Jaggu · 28th December 2007, 14:47

@Busa: why dont you push the dealer for gear box replacement instead, since you have a good rapport with them.

kpzen · 28th December 2007, 16:22

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Originally Posted by Jaggu

@Busa: why dont you push the dealer for gear box replacement instead, since you have a good rapport with them.

BuSa: Since u get most of things replaced under warranty why don't u get the whole gearbox replaced too

BUSA · 28th December 2007, 17:16

@lambhuere - My car is May batch. I dont think your batch of cars have this problem.

@KP & Jaggu - They have identified problems with just 1st and 2nd gear, and its not with just my car, many cars are facing it. Getting a gearbox replacement will be time consuming and also not that easy. Anyways lets see what can be done.

BUSA · 29th December 2007, 22:28

Spoke to the dealer, he said that since the gearbox is integrated in the engine, it is not a easy task to replace the whole gearbox.

Vid6639 · 29th December 2007, 22:32

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Originally Posted by BUSA

Spoke to the dealer, he said that since the gearbox is integrated in the engine, it is not a easy task to replace the whole gearbox.

huh???

who? what? where when? why? how?

CrAzY dRiVeR · 29th December 2007, 22:33

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Originally Posted by BUSA

Spoke to the dealer, he said that since the gearbox is integrated in the engine, it is not a easy task to replace the whole gearbox.

Integrated in the engine?

The clutch comes in between these two, right? I think he meant that the engine may have to be taken out to dissassemble the gearbox.

BUSA · 29th December 2007, 22:55

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huh???

who? what? where when? why? how?

D Company asking so many questions in a single post.

I think crazy is right, he meant something like that, but they do remove the engine to change the synchros, then why the fuss?

Vid6639 · 29th December 2007, 23:07

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Originally Posted by BUSA

D Company asking so many questions in a single post.

I think crazy is right, he meant something like that, but they do remove the engine to change the synchros, then why the fuss?

I asked cause I thought that you can remove it by removing the sub frame below. That's how I think it's in the petrol swift and in the lancer. Correct me if I am wrong.

drpullockaran · 29th December 2007, 23:20

I know for sure cost cutting was involved but I thought that it was restricted to cars sold only in the northern part of Kerala. Majority of the swifts sold there tried an Indian made component from another manufacturer/vendor. I heard it was clutch plate now it looks like the syncros are involved in this too. Best of luck. Bye and wear your seat belts.

BUSA · 29th December 2007, 23:55

@ Vid - I have seen the MSIL guys remove the engine to remove the gearbox, last time when there was a second gear issue, maybe the engine bay is too cramped to work on with the engine intact.

kpzen · 30th December 2007, 11:08

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Originally Posted by vid6639

I asked cause I thought that you can remove it by removing the sub frame below. That's how I think it's in the petrol swift and in the lancer. Correct me if I am wrong.

Vid
U are right about the Swift P and lancer but in case of Swift D the engine has pulled out for removing the gear box.
The reason is the limited space in the engine bay to put in the tools.

BUSA- U are dragging with Verna's without 1st gear??

BUSA · 30th December 2007, 11:43

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BUSA- U are dragging with Verna's without 1st gear??

First engages with difficulty, when the car is in motion and i want to slot first then it just doesnot go, while the car is standing still it engages perfectly.

Eddy · 21st January 2008, 12:48

BUMP:

Any updates on this BUSA ? Has it been solved ?

28th December 2007, 14:33	#46
BUSA Senior - BHPian Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Bombay Posts: 5,130 Thanked: 21 Times View My Garage	Now the car refuses to slot into first gear. Same problem as before but with 1st gear. The dealer checked and has told me its a problem with 1st gear synchro, apparently others are also facing similar issues. The batch to which my Swift belongs has defective gear synchros. He has ordered the part and it will take 2 days for it to come. Damn MSIL and their cost cutting.
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28th December 2007, 14:47	#48
Jaggu Team-BHP Support Join Date: May 2004 Location: Bangalore Posts: 20,321 Thanked: 16,675 Times	@Busa: why dont you push the dealer for gear box replacement instead, since you have a good rapport with them.
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28th December 2007, 17:16	#50
BUSA Senior - BHPian Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Bombay Posts: 5,130 Thanked: 21 Times View My Garage	@lambhuere - My car is May batch. I dont think your batch of cars have this problem. @KP & Jaggu - They have identified problems with just 1st and 2nd gear, and its not with just my car, many cars are facing it. Getting a gearbox replacement will be time consuming and also not that easy. Anyways lets see what can be done.
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29th December 2007, 22:28	#51
BUSA Senior - BHPian Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Bombay Posts: 5,130 Thanked: 21 Times View My Garage	Spoke to the dealer, he said that since the gearbox is integrated in the engine, it is not a easy task to replace the whole gearbox.
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29th December 2007, 23:20	#56
drpullockaran BHPian Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: ERNAKULAM Posts: 962 Thanked: 385 Times	Cost cutting was involved I know for sure cost cutting was involved but I thought that it was restricted to cars sold only in the northern part of Kerala. Majority of the swifts sold there tried an Indian made component from another manufacturer/vendor. I heard it was clutch plate now it looks like the syncros are involved in this too. Best of luck. Bye and wear your seat belts.
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29th December 2007, 23:55	#57
BUSA Senior - BHPian Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Bombay Posts: 5,130 Thanked: 21 Times View My Garage	@ Vid - I have seen the MSIL guys remove the engine to remove the gearbox, last time when there was a second gear issue, maybe the engine bay is too cramped to work on with the engine intact.
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21st January 2008, 12:48	#60
Eddy Team-BHP Support Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Singapore Posts: 9,456 Thanked: 13,796 Times	BUMP: Any updates on this BUSA ? Has it been solved ?
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