Auto Clutch???

Palio_2005 · 15th June 2007, 15:50

Recently I test drove a semi auto clutch car. This system has a sensor on the gear shift and you don't have to depress the clutch to change gears. Just put your finger on the sensor and the car shifts to neutral and you change the gears. Costs about 26K and no modification required in the car.

Very convenient indeed. Infact am planning to get it fitted on my Palio. I find the clutch pretty heavy especially during crawling traffic. My wife would love it too.

Anyone else tried this product? Would love to have a feedback. You can check the website

automate

caliper · 15th June 2007, 18:38

There are a couple of threads on this going already:

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/modifi...-automate.html
http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/techni...hing-foot.html

vinitch · 18th June 2007, 14:48

Does it works when you need a half-clutch stop & go ?
For example a bumper to bumper traffic jam on a slope.Still is it not required to press clutch...Please clarify.

DieselFan · 18th June 2007, 15:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by trrk

So as long as you press the brake, the clutch is activated and so even if the car is stopped, it won't stall in ant gear, you can just change the gear and step on the accelerator and go.

Rajesh

This is not only unsafe (because the engine braking is non existent if the clutch is depressed on using the brakes) but also is equivalent to riding the clutch. The longer/more frequent you use the clutch the faster it will wear and fail.

trrk · 19th November 2007, 18:21

Hi,

Saw this only now.

> This is not only unsafe (because the engine braking is non existent if the
> clutch is depressed on using the brakes) but also is equivalent to riding the
> clutch. The longer/more frequent you use the clutch the faster it will wear and > fail

This most likely is an aberration in the Indica. In the demo cars, the clutch does not move with auto clutch actuation and remains in the released position. So this gives the option of manual overriding of the auto clutch even without switching the auto clutch off.

The Indica installation was the first one for the dealer and found this clutch action only after installation.

In the demo car (inside Coimbatore city) I did not find the clutch activation a problem. I did not take it out in the highway. Others who have used it are also not complaining.

At present, the unit is doing duty in an Alto in Bangalore and I understand is doing a good job.

Rajesh, Alleppey, Kerala
(Marina LS BSIII, Oct 05, 34199 kms, 13.96 kpl, 46km/day, KL 04 T7722)
(Honda City CVT, Sep 07, 2002 kms, 13.46 kpl, 39km/day, KL 04 W9585)

rkavthekar · 15th October 2008, 11:44

How does "Half-Clutching" works for this Semi-automatic option? Do you half press the hand button? :-)

takecare and drive safely

trrk · 15th October 2008, 18:35

Hi Rajesh,

> How does "Half-Clutching" works for this Semi-automatic option? Do you half > press the hand button? :-)

You can always switch off the system and use your clutch. You can always press the clutch if needed even with the system on.

But the above was not possible in the Indica, though as the clutch was going up and down when the auto clutch worked. I distinctly remember (it was way back in 2003) the demo Zen not doing that. In that the clutch was always up when the auto clutch was working.

Rehaan · 16th October 2008, 11:25

Crosslink :
http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/access...ch-review.html

cya
R

GeekSrik · 30th October 2008, 12:38

dr. rajesh

i know its too long after that i have opened this thread, but can you perhaps tell me a few more things

1. where can I find a demo in any of our friends cars in bangalore?
2 is the cost justified for its ease of use?
3. can it be installed for a swift D, if so what do you think would be the tradeoffs?

trrk · 1st November 2008, 19:38

Hi GeekSrik,

> 1. where can I find a demo in any of our friends cars in bangalore?

The unit I had on my car is presently doing duty in Bangalore in an Alto. Or you could demo it from the company dealers.

> 2 is the cost justified for its ease of use?

Unfortunately the unit did not work the way it was supposed to be in my Indica. The main saving is that you don't have to press the clutch to change the gears. It is *not* a poor man's automatic.

> 3. can it be installed for a swift D, if so what do you think would be the
> tradeoffs?

It can be installed in any vehicle and can be shifted from vehicle to vehicle and there are no tradeoffs that I know of. Theoretically mileage could improve.

Did you check the other thread?

Sigma · 2nd February 2009, 20:39

Dear friends,
As I m reading the complete post with comments and as per my knowledge that the problem with Automate clutch system is
1. it is imported
2. It is based on RPM sensor
3. The service is an issue because nobody knows the actual thing ... how it is made ?

As I have answered in other post and looking at all the querries raised in this post that the device made my the gujarat Guy is a bit different in that case.
1. 100% Made in India by an engineers
2. Completely isolated from the engine that means if the ignition key is just on ( the car is not started )you can see the clutch pedal moving up and down automatically by pressing the gear knod switch.
3. As per my feed back service is not an issue.
4. they have lots of settings like at what minimum speed u want brake signal to engage the clutch. That means if u are in a high speed and suddenly pres the brakes it will not actualte the clutch till the time the car doesn't reach to a minimum speed of 20 or 30 whichever is setting.

well this is my knowledge u can contact the key person at edcrajesh@gmail.com

anandpadhye · 3rd February 2009, 10:10

@Sigma,

Do they have a website or a dealer network, etc?

GTO · 3rd February 2009, 14:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by anandpadhye

@Sigma,

Do they have a website or a dealer network, etc?

Here you go : Their official website

Sigma · 3rd February 2009, 18:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by anandpadhye

@Sigma,

Do they have a website or a dealer network, etc?

the right link for the website of gujarat people is Convert Your Car to a Semi-Automatic Car with 'City Clutch'

the website GTO is talking about is different and i guess the same what this forum is talking about

foby.sebastian · 11th August 2010, 17:56

Pune based Auto-mate develops the clutch less techno.

www.autoclutchindia.com

automate

I saw an petrol Innova fitted with the auto clutch , it has a switch on the gear knob , by using that switch we can turn on and turn off the auto clutch facility.

The clutch pedals are not removed , if we accidently press the clutch pedal there is no harm.

ARAI approval pending for this technology.

Working :-

The gear knob will be equipped with a sensor on the top of it. when we shift the gear we need to touch the gear knob , so that it senses the touch and the clutch will work.There is also a sensor on the break pedals.

I drove the vehicle and it is a fine technology.

Cost :-

32,000 for oil based clutch systems

30,000 for cable based clutches.

Currently an innova is running fine on it an versa and i10 is in pipeline.

Time needed to install is not more than 2 days.

15th June 2007, 15:50	#31
Palio_2005 BHPian Join Date: May 2006 Location: Pune Posts: 991 Thanked: 878 Times	Semi Auto Clutch Recently I test drove a semi auto clutch car. This system has a sensor on the gear shift and you don't have to depress the clutch to change gears. Just put your finger on the sensor and the car shifts to neutral and you change the gears. Costs about 26K and no modification required in the car. Very convenient indeed. Infact am planning to get it fitted on my Palio. I find the clutch pretty heavy especially during crawling traffic. My wife would love it too. Anyone else tried this product? Would love to have a feedback. You can check the website automate
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15th June 2007, 18:38	#32
caliper BHPian Join Date: May 2007 Location: India Posts: 160 Thanked: 3 Times	There are a couple of threads on this going already: http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/modifi...-automate.html http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/techni...hing-foot.html
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18th June 2007, 14:48	#33
vinitch Newbie Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: pune Posts: 1 Thanked: 0 Times	Does it works when you need a half-clutch stop & go ? For example a bumper to bumper traffic jam on a slope.Still is it not required to press clutch...Please clarify.
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19th November 2007, 18:21	#35
trrk Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Alleppey, Kerala Posts: 2,114 Thanked: 34 Times View My Garage	Hi, Saw this only now. > This is not only unsafe (because the engine braking is non existent if the > clutch is depressed on using the brakes) but also is equivalent to riding the > clutch. The longer/more frequent you use the clutch the faster it will wear and > fail This most likely is an aberration in the Indica. In the demo cars, the clutch does not move with auto clutch actuation and remains in the released position. So this gives the option of manual overriding of the auto clutch even without switching the auto clutch off. The Indica installation was the first one for the dealer and found this clutch action only after installation. In the demo car (inside Coimbatore city) I did not find the clutch activation a problem. I did not take it out in the highway. Others who have used it are also not complaining. At present, the unit is doing duty in an Alto in Bangalore and I understand is doing a good job. Rajesh, Alleppey, Kerala (Marina LS BSIII, Oct 05, 34199 kms, 13.96 kpl, 46km/day, KL 04 T7722) (Honda City CVT, Sep 07, 2002 kms, 13.46 kpl, 39km/day, KL 04 W9585)
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15th October 2008, 11:44	#36
rkavthekar BHPian Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Pune Posts: 205 Thanked: 14 Times	How does "Half-Clutching" works for this Semi-automatic option? Do you half press the hand button? :-) takecare and drive safely
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15th October 2008, 18:35	#37
trrk Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Alleppey, Kerala Posts: 2,114 Thanked: 34 Times View My Garage	Hi Rajesh, > How does "Half-Clutching" works for this Semi-automatic option? Do you half > press the hand button? :-) You can always switch off the system and use your clutch. You can always press the clutch if needed even with the system on. But the above was not possible in the Indica, though as the clutch was going up and down when the auto clutch worked. I distinctly remember (it was way back in 2003) the demo Zen not doing that. In that the clutch was always up when the auto clutch was working.
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16th October 2008, 11:25	#38
Rehaan Team-BHP Support Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Bombay Posts: 24,046 Thanked: 34,074 Times	Crosslink : http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/access...ch-review.html cya R
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30th October 2008, 12:38	#39
GeekSrik Senior - BHPian Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Bangalore Posts: 1,281 Thanked: 22 Times View My Garage	dr. rajesh i know its too long after that i have opened this thread, but can you perhaps tell me a few more things 1. where can I find a demo in any of our friends cars in bangalore? 2 is the cost justified for its ease of use? 3. can it be installed for a swift D, if so what do you think would be the tradeoffs?
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1st November 2008, 19:38	#40
trrk Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Alleppey, Kerala Posts: 2,114 Thanked: 34 Times View My Garage	Hi GeekSrik, > 1. where can I find a demo in any of our friends cars in bangalore? The unit I had on my car is presently doing duty in Bangalore in an Alto. Or you could demo it from the company dealers. > 2 is the cost justified for its ease of use? Unfortunately the unit did not work the way it was supposed to be in my Indica. The main saving is that you don't have to press the clutch to change the gears. It is not a poor man's automatic. > 3. can it be installed for a swift D, if so what do you think would be the > tradeoffs? It can be installed in any vehicle and can be shifted from vehicle to vehicle and there are no tradeoffs that I know of. Theoretically mileage could improve. Did you check the other thread? Last edited by trrk : 1st November 2008 at 19:48.
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2nd February 2009, 20:39	#41
Sigma Newbie Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Gandhidham Posts: 10 Thanked: 2 Times	Dear friends, As I m reading the complete post with comments and as per my knowledge that the problem with Automate clutch system is 1. it is imported 2. It is based on RPM sensor 3. The service is an issue because nobody knows the actual thing ... how it is made ? As I have answered in other post and looking at all the querries raised in this post that the device made my the gujarat Guy is a bit different in that case. 1. 100% Made in India by an engineers 2. Completely isolated from the engine that means if the ignition key is just on ( the car is not started )you can see the clutch pedal moving up and down automatically by pressing the gear knod switch. 3. As per my feed back service is not an issue. 4. they have lots of settings like at what minimum speed u want brake signal to engage the clutch. That means if u are in a high speed and suddenly pres the brakes it will not actualte the clutch till the time the car doesn't reach to a minimum speed of 20 or 30 whichever is setting. well this is my knowledge u can contact the key person at edcrajesh@gmail.com
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3rd February 2009, 10:10	#42
anandpadhye Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Pune Posts: 3,054 Thanked: 3,313 Times	@Sigma, Do they have a website or a dealer network, etc?
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11th August 2010, 17:56	#45
foby.sebastian Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Thrissur/Kochi Posts: 2,693 Thanked: 2,836 Times View My Garage	Pune based Auto-mate develops the clutch less techno. www.autoclutchindia.com automate I saw an petrol Innova fitted with the auto clutch , it has a switch on the gear knob , by using that switch we can turn on and turn off the auto clutch facility. The clutch pedals are not removed , if we accidently press the clutch pedal there is no harm. ARAI approval pending for this technology. Working :- The gear knob will be equipped with a sensor on the top of it. when we shift the gear we need to touch the gear knob , so that it senses the touch and the clutch will work.There is also a sensor on the break pedals. I drove the vehicle and it is a fine technology. Cost :- 32,000 for oil based clutch systems 30,000 for cable based clutches. Currently an innova is running fine on it an versa and i10 is in pipeline. Time needed to install is not more than 2 days. Attached Thumbnails Last edited by Technocrat : 11th August 2010 at 22:08.
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