I picked up my car last evening. The car arrived at the workshop in early afternoon, and I got a call at 4:00pm from the Sales Manager. So went and picked it up at about 6:30pm.
Given the interest in the Brio AT I am posting this. Pictures are also now posted.
These are my initial observations:
The OTR price was about Rs.650k incl a corporate discount, and 50% NCB with Rs.7500 voluntary excess.
1. To clear some confusion the D3 setting has reverse braking, as do the fixed ratios of 2 and 1. The manual very explicitly mentions, engine braking, more engine braking and even more engine braking.
2. The 3 month service is no longer there . So 1 month check up, and then 6 months and every six months. Oil change 10,000 or 6 months. Now oil must be API-SM (was SL for the Civic), and SAE20 is also kosher. Had to be 30 for the Civic. The oil looks like a synthetic (very low viscosity, and nearly clear colour).
3. The engine is Over Square (bore 73mm, stroke 71.6mm) and hence has the normal characteristic of such engines, high revving (Red line seems to be about 6700) and poor torque at low speeds.
4. After being used to hung parcel shelves (Zen and Santro) it will take some getting used to a shelf which has to be rotated out of the way, esp. since the boot opening is small a the top.
The manual covering only the Thai and Indian models is much easier to decipher than the near Universal one with the Civic. I found a couple of errors already:
1. The manual talks of no need to press the release button for movement from R to N, N to D and D to D3. The last is not true. To go to D3 you have to press the button.
2. Fog light bulb replacement seems to have been written for LHD vehicles. The rotation of steering required is opposite of what is specified, i.e. for passenger bulb, turn right and not left, etc.
Two gripes already:
1. Missing the temperature gauge. Some indication of when the engine has reached to operating temperature will be nice. (I am looking at it more like a Baby Civic!). How about reviving the system from the Alfsud of the 70's where the warning light came on when the engine was cold, and then went off for the working range.
2. Missing the dead pedal: Where do I park my hoof when driving!!
Added on 18/12/2012 : GTO has asked for the following to be covered. So here I go:
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The good and bad about its equipment levels:
Excellent, cannot ask for more in an entry level car. The very fact that I am comparing with a top Civic says it all. Two grouses, already communicated to Honda.
- No dead pedal as mentioned above. A bigger pain with an AT.
- While auto wind-down is there on the drivers side window, up is not. It is there in the Jazz though.
Overall build quality and fit & finish:
Excellent. Typical Honda.
Interior design & quality:
Excellent.
Interior space and comfort:
Good. My son reckons that the rear seat is more spacious than his Swift.
Air conditioner, seat support, ergonomics and other noteworthy interior points:
For the first time I am not pushing the seat right back for driving in a small car.
Engine performance & driveability in the city:
Good, except for lag in D. This is there to a lesser degree in the Civic as well.
Engine performance & driveability on the highway:
No idea. This is our city car, highly unlikely to go on the highway. I took my Santro on the highway only once in the seven years plus I had it. I use the Civic for that.
Additional comments on the engine (outright power, refinement, turbo-lag etc.):
Very refined, good power with poor low end torque, but not a pain the drive. With careful driving it seldom crosses 2000 rpm in town.
Gearshift / transmission quality, smoothness, response time etc.:
Excellent, except for the lag in D if try to go near kickdown. D3 has far less lag (almost imperceptible)
Fuel efficiency : City and Highway:
First Tank, 9.8kpl, then 11.0, 11.3, 11.3 all with full AC. Now appears to be 12+ without AC. Each tankful at about 30l.
The Eco light glows about 80% of the time when I am driving, and I am no competitor for the economy sweepstakes. Much better than the instant kpl display on the Jazz.
Handling, on-road behaviour and grip levels:
Excellent. I am sure if the MRFs were to be changed to Michelin's it will be even better behaved.
Comments on the steering, braking, high speed stability etc.:
Steering is good with ample feedback (after the pressure was reduced from 40+psi). In the beginning until I discovered the pressure snafu it looked very light and over-servoed. Up to about 80kph (the max touched so far) excellent stability.
Any particular likes (damped ashtrays, powerful headlights, music system etc.):
An excellent package. Just what the doctor ordered. Music system USB is a bit finicky, it refused to recognise the HP 8GB most of the time, and the same with a Sony 8GB though not that bad. It is quite happy with my old Transcend 8GB, so I have reverted to that.
Any particular dislikes (small mirrors, weak wipers, weak foglamps etc.):
None. Asking for retracting mirrors in this category is really not on.
Review on overall practicality (luggage room, ease of ingress/egress, cubby holes etc.):
Boot access is small, but the boot is pretty big, with its trapezoidal section. No tank underneath (it is under the front seat) helps. Nearly flat floor adds to the comfort of the rear seat. Nice glove compartment, and door shelves. Ingress / egress is excellent.
Photograph Order:
1. Three quarter view
2. Front Interior
3. Dash Panel
4. Engine cover with Brio AT on it ( still do not know how the MT and AT engines differ unless the gearbox mounts are different which is very unlikely)
5. Tyre placard. The car is shod with MRF ZVTVs. Someone has woodenly converted 2.0 bar to 29 psi against the more common 30. Note rear pressure is lower than the front.