Suzuki Grand Vitara - Driven !!!

Vid6639 · 15th July 2007, 20:30

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Originally Posted by Shan2nu

GV 2.0 - 1954kgs (61.41bhp/ton)
Innova 2.0 - 1645kgs (82.67bhp/ton)
CR-V 2.4 - 1565kgs (102.23bhp/ton)

Shan2nu

Yeah I got the GVW and kerb weight but not the kerb weight for both but found it here.

Maruti Grand Vitara 2.0 MT Specifications, Maruti Grand Vitara 2.0 MT Features, Colors, Price, Wallpapers - CarWale.com India

it's 1594kgs kerb weight for the GV.

Toyota Innova 2.0 V Specifications, Toyota Innova 2.0 V Features, Colors, Price, Wallpapers - CarWale.com India

and 1510kgs for the Innova petrol.

Your weights look different?

Shan2nu · 15th July 2007, 20:40

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Yeah I got the GVW and kerb weight but not the kerb weight for both but found it here. It's 1594kgs kerb weight for the GV.

Oops, my mistake. So it's

GV 2.0 - 1594kgs (75.2bhp/ton )
Innova 2.0 - 1645kgs (82.67bhp/ton)
CR-V 2.4 - 1565kgs (102.23bhp/ton)

Got the Innova's weight from here Indiacar.com - Buy/ Sell Cars, Prices, Research

Will check the cars user manual n tell you. That should be the most reliable source.

Shan2nu

rahul_intlad · 15th July 2007, 21:06

Toyota innova petrol -> 2240 Kg[gross weight]

1510 kg. kerb weight ,what does this kerb weight thing mean ?

source: brochure+ toyota india website,kerb weight from carwale.com.

Akshay1234 · 15th July 2007, 21:17

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Originally Posted by rahul_intlad

Toyota innova petrol -> 2240 Kg[gross weight]

1510 kg. kerb weight ,what does this kerb weight thing mean ?

source: brochure+ toyota india website.

kerb weight means without any load.

Vid6639 · 15th July 2007, 21:53

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Originally Posted by akshay1234

kerb weight means without any load.

No fluids, engine oil, coolant, fuel etc. nothing, just the car's weight with no load is kerb weight.

gross weight is the final weight of the car with all the above.

Dippy · 15th July 2007, 22:16

Nice reviews fellows. I got my hands on the MT model this morning. Drove both GV and the CRV with a few minutes of each other. Posted my review in another thread.

BlackPearl · 16th July 2007, 01:11

Very nice reviews from Shuvc and Razor...
My reviews on the GV, though I am no expert -

Likes-
The compact looks and tail lights
The interior quality, very unlike maruti
The AT was shifting at close to 6000 rpm.. I have never driven an AT that shifts such high up
The sound of the engine
Lots of cubby holes

Dislikes
Felt that car lacked the grunt, maybe the MT test drive can help..
Should have come with rear disc at such a price
A bit more interior space should have helped
Steering wheel very similar to SX4
Maruti should seriously think of a diesel version
A bit overpriced

raul · 16th July 2007, 09:01

Great review, early comment appeared to point towards a under powered engine and low quality interiors but I guess they are not so bad. I had rented both a Vitara and a rav4 in Palo Alto for a few weeks and found them similar though the RAV4 had better interiors and more power and was a lot more more fun to drive.

I am thrilled that a good SUV is available at a reasonable price, without the Vitara all indications were the prices for these compact SUV like would be in the region of 20 lakhs+, even the endeavor is moving towards that figure and the outlander and captiva will have some thinking to do now about the pricing, and if you ask me a Vitara at 15lakhs on road is a perfect option for those looking for a compact suv upto international standards in the Indian market. You get the same car that is being sold internationally, a genuine 4x4, and pricing that doesn't make you pay a extortionist premium for wanting the same cars in India that you see internationally.

Shan2nu · 16th July 2007, 11:31

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No fluids, engine oil, coolant, fuel etc. nothing, just the car's weight with no load is kerb weight.

Then whats dry weight? I think kerb weight includes all fluids (except fuel).

Quote:

gross weight is the final weight of the car with all the above.

Gross weight is the limit to which the car can be loaded with luggage and passengers. At no point should a vehicle weigh more than the gross weight mentioned.

Shan2nu

shuvd · 16th July 2007, 12:38

As the initial euphoria has passed, its time now for some cold logic as shuvc likes to say.

A 15 L Maruti = Er, come again?
1600kgs, 2.0 I-4 petrol SUV & AWD = High running costs (for me at least)
CBU = Zero localized parts/spares. High maintenance?
Rear drums = As many pointed out, rear drums in a 15L car is simply not done.
Interiors though good, is not befitting a 15L car. No display for the climate control and a very basic trip computer. No leather. Integrated ICE is nothing great.
The engine could have boasted a few more horses and and torque.
Would the Grand Vitara go the Subaru Forester way? Low sales and big discounts within an year? The specs are nearly the same as the Subaru. But the Subaru did have the blue badge with silver stars!

anandpadhye · 16th July 2007, 14:01

Well...I hope you are right.
If there are going to be discounts, I will buy it.

BTW, did the old Grand Vitara also offerred discounts owing to low sales?
I am just trying to figure out when and how much discount to expect on this one.

hondadude · 16th July 2007, 18:17

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Originally Posted by shuvd

The specs are nearly the same as the Subaru. But the Subaru did have the blue badge with silver stars!

Well, ahem! It is a sacrilege (especially to all Subaru lovers) to compare Vitara with Subaru Forester. The AWD of Subaru is legendary and it would be very difficult to believe that Suzuki's AWD is as capable. So please, Subaru is lot more than a blue badge with silver stars.

I had owned Subaru outback for two years and every time I drove to Tahoe in winter, I could see big 4X4 trucks struggling to cope up with sleet and ice while Subarus just drove in straight line with perfect composure.

anandpadhye · 16th July 2007, 19:05

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Originally Posted by hondadude

The AWD of Subaru is legendary and it would be very difficult to believe that Suzuki's AWD is as capable.

Grand Vitara is Full Time 4WD with lockable Central Differencial.

I landed on a good website that describes all flavors of 4x4 (especially explains the difference between 4WD and AWD):
http://4x4abc.com/4WD101/difference_4WD_awd.html

Though I have no prior experience of driving a 4WD, Grand Vitara seems to offer (theoretically) the best 4WD technology (except for the lockable axle differencials).

I am talking about the design. Implementation may be another issue.

shuvd · 16th July 2007, 20:00

@ hondadude - I'm not comparing the two. All I said that the specs are same. 2L engine and AWD.

CrAzY dRiVeR · 16th July 2007, 20:14

Guys, see this... The grand vitara has been ranked among the TOP- THREE SAFEST cars bu Euro NCAP ratings.

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Dubai, UAE - May 14, 2007: The 2007 Suzuki Grand Vitara has been ranked among the top three safest cars by the Euro New Car Assessment Program (Euro NCAP), an international association that provides motoring consumers a realistic and independent assessment of the safety performance of some of the most popular cars sold in Europe.
The Grand Vitara took the third highest overall rating after earning high marks in the three categories of the crashworthiness test carried out by Euro NCAP. The new 4x4 model scored four out of five stars in Adult Occupant rating, three out of four stars in Pedestrian Protection and four out of five stars in Child Protection.

I sure hope they bring in the V6 instead of the current 2.0L engine.

Quote:

The DOHC, 2.7-litre, 24-valve V6 is rated at 185-horsepower.Maximum torque is 184 ft. at 4,500 rpm.

Source: Autochannel.

15th July 2007, 21:06	#33
rahul_intlad Senior - BHPian Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Pune Posts: 1,577 Thanked: 5 Times	Toyota innova petrol -> 2240 Kg[gross weight] 1510 kg. kerb weight ,what does this kerb weight thing mean ? source: brochure+ toyota india website,kerb weight from carwale.com. Last edited by rahul_intlad : 15th July 2007 at 21:18.
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15th July 2007, 22:16	#36
Dippy Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Mumbai, India Posts: 7,757 Thanked: 4,225 Times	Nice reviews fellows. I got my hands on the MT model this morning. Drove both GV and the CRV with a few minutes of each other. Posted my review in another thread.
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16th July 2007, 01:11	#37
BlackPearl Team-BHP Support Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Calcutta/London Posts: 3,662 Thanked: 17,377 Times View My Garage	Very nice reviews from Shuvc and Razor... My reviews on the GV, though I am no expert - Likes- The compact looks and tail lights The interior quality, very unlike maruti The AT was shifting at close to 6000 rpm.. I have never driven an AT that shifts such high up The sound of the engine Lots of cubby holes Dislikes Felt that car lacked the grunt, maybe the MT test drive can help.. Should have come with rear disc at such a price A bit more interior space should have helped Steering wheel very similar to SX4 Maruti should seriously think of a diesel version A bit overpriced
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16th July 2007, 09:01	#38
raul BHPian Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Pune Posts: 920 Thanked: 374 Times	Great review, early comment appeared to point towards a under powered engine and low quality interiors but I guess they are not so bad. I had rented both a Vitara and a rav4 in Palo Alto for a few weeks and found them similar though the RAV4 had better interiors and more power and was a lot more more fun to drive. I am thrilled that a good SUV is available at a reasonable price, without the Vitara all indications were the prices for these compact SUV like would be in the region of 20 lakhs+, even the endeavor is moving towards that figure and the outlander and captiva will have some thinking to do now about the pricing, and if you ask me a Vitara at 15lakhs on road is a perfect option for those looking for a compact suv upto international standards in the Indian market. You get the same car that is being sold internationally, a genuine 4x4, and pricing that doesn't make you pay a extortionist premium for wanting the same cars in India that you see internationally.
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16th July 2007, 12:38	#40
shuvd Senior - BHPian Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Calcutta Posts: 1,081 Thanked: 8 Times View My Garage	As the initial euphoria has passed, its time now for some cold logic as shuvc likes to say. A 15 L Maruti = Er, come again? 1600kgs, 2.0 I-4 petrol SUV & AWD = High running costs (for me at least) CBU = Zero localized parts/spares. High maintenance? Rear drums = As many pointed out, rear drums in a 15L car is simply not done. Interiors though good, is not befitting a 15L car. No display for the climate control and a very basic trip computer. No leather. Integrated ICE is nothing great. The engine could have boasted a few more horses and and torque. Would the Grand Vitara go the Subaru Forester way? Low sales and big discounts within an year? The specs are nearly the same as the Subaru. But the Subaru did have the blue badge with silver stars!
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16th July 2007, 14:01	#41
anandpadhye Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Pune Posts: 3,060 Thanked: 3,347 Times	Well...I hope you are right. If there are going to be discounts, I will buy it. BTW, did the old Grand Vitara also offerred discounts owing to low sales? I am just trying to figure out when and how much discount to expect on this one.
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16th July 2007, 20:00	#44
shuvd Senior - BHPian Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Calcutta Posts: 1,081 Thanked: 8 Times View My Garage	@ hondadude - I'm not comparing the two. All I said that the specs are same. 2L engine and AWD.
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