[anandpadhye]

So aprt from the engine, all others things about the Vitara in India are same as those in Europe?

Then it must be a good SUV.

[vivekiny2k]

Originally Posted by anandpadhye

So aprt from the engine, all others things about the Vitara in India are same as those in Europe?

Then it must be a good SUV.

hmm, expectations.

[hondadude]

Originally Posted by shuvd

@ hondadude - I'm not comparing the two. All I said that the specs are same. 2L engine and AWD.

I am sorry if I misunderstood. I was just trying to emphasize that Subaru is a lot more than a badge.

Originally Posted by anandpadhye

I am talking about the design. Implementation may be another issue.

@anandpadye : You are talking about features (and not design because the design has a direct impact on implementation).

[anandpadhye]

Originally Posted by hondadude

I am sorry if I misunderstood. I was just trying to emphasize that Subaru is a lot more than a badge.



@anandpadye : You are talking about features (and not design because the design has a direct impact on implementation).

Ya. That's features. Sorry.

But aren't the differencials and transfer cases etc. based on renowned designs? In fact majority of them are sourced from Borg Warner...

I mean all I want to say is I am excited to see these things now offered in India. And if many of us belive and put their money and faith on Tata (buying their Safari 4x4), I can surely give Grand Vitara a try. Suzuki must be doing a lot more research and testing than Tata.

Also, if I read stuff correctly, there are fewer full time 4WDs and even fewer ones which offer lockable central differential.

All I am worrying right now is whether I should pay 15 lacks for GV and whther I will be able to afford the Fuel Economy going forward.

BTW, any idea what the FE will be like? I am talking about MT and on regular city roads, highways with occasional rural drive...I mean I want to use it as my regular car...

[hondadude]

Originally Posted by anandpadhye

Ya. That's features. Sorry.

But aren't the differencials and transfer cases etc. based on renowned designs? In fact majority of them are sourced from Borg Warner...

For example a lot of vehicles have coil spring suspension at the rear. Do they all ride the same ? The whole package (Car) is more than sum of its parts.

BTW, any idea what the FE will be like? I am talking about MT and on regular city roads, highways with occasional rural drive...I mean I want to use it as my regular car...

Looking at this webpage Find Car Dealers and Motoring Websites | UK Motoring Research, it appears that CRV is a bit more fuel efficient than GV. However GV is detuned for India so should be more efficient than CRV here. Others can confirm but I have been told that CRV gives a mileage of 6 to 7 kmpl. Based on all the above, I would guess that GV would give 7 to 8 kmpl.

[Shan2nu]

Looking at this webpage Find Car Dealers and Motoring Websites | UK Motoring Research, it appears that CRV is a bit more fuel efficient than GV. However GV is detuned for India so should be more efficient than CRV here. Others can confirm but I have been told that CRV gives a mileage of 6 to 7 kmpl. Based on all the above, I would guess that GV would give 7 to 8 kmpl.

Can't really say in this case. The GV has a smaller engine and lower power figs but at the same time it's got all time AWD (does the GV have variable valve timing?).

The CR-V on the other hand has a bigger engine and more power but it's i-vtec engine and real time awd system see to it that power and allround traction are provided only when it's required.

Had the CR-V been all time Awd (and without an i-vtec engine) it would have guzzled a lot more fuel than it does now.

Infact, our 2ltr Innova's highway FE is on par with the 2.4ltr CR-V.

Shan2nu

[anandpadhye]

This link has all the details of the Grand Vitara (same engine as the one in India but tuned for 140 BHP):
Car Specifications: Suzuki Grand Vitara 2.0 (A) 2007 Singapore - oneshift.com

The User Contributed Fuel Consumption figures are around 9km/liter for the 4 speed AT.

Hence for 5 speed MT and the same engine detuned to 120 BHP, I would imagine FE of 10 or 11.

What say?

[CrAzY dRiVeR]

Originally Posted by anandpadhye

This link has all the details of the Grand Vitara (same engine as the one in India but tuned for 140 BHP):
Car Specifications: Suzuki Grand Vitara 2.0 (A) 2007 Singapore - oneshift.com
The User Contributed Fuel Consumption figures are around 9km/liter for the 4 speed AT.
Hence for 5 speed MT and the same engine detuned to 120 BHP, I would imagine FE of 10 or 11.
What say?

Isn't that a bit too much for a 2.0 L petrol SUV with AWD?

[GTO]

Going by the segment average, I would expect 8 - 8.5 kpl in the city.

[nirav]

so when are the deliveries gonna start?

[HSV]

Originally Posted by nirav

so when are the deliveries gonna start?

Already started. Seen a couple of 'em on Delhi roads.

[CrAzY dRiVeR]

Originally Posted by HSV

Already started. Seen a couple of 'em on Delhi roads.

Already?

Man! Maruti can almost sell whatever they produce these days!
(Except may be- the Zen estilo. )

[dadu]

Originally Posted by akshay1234

kerb weight means without any load.

I beg to differ, the usual definition of kerb weight is a vehicle in its ready to use condition with all tools, spare wheel etc and a full tank of fuel. There is a European Directive 95/48/EC which specifies the kerb weight as a car in ready to drive condition with the fuel tank 90% full, a driver on board weighing 68 kg and luggage of 7 kg. Any extras or accessories fitted after purchase will increase the weight.

[dadu]

Originally Posted by CrAzY dRiVeR

Already?

Man! Maruti can almost sell whatever they produce these days!
(Except may be- the Zen estilo. )

They were imported as CBU's so no production line delays , you are driving an imported stuff

[CrAzY dRiVeR]

Originally Posted by dadu

I beg to differ, the usual definition of kerb weight is a vehicle in its ready to use condition with all tools, spare wheel etc and a full tank of fuel. There is a European Directive 95/48/EC which specifies the kerb weight as a car in ready to drive condition with the fuel tank 90% full, a driver on board weighing 68 kg and luggage of 7 kg. Any extras or accessories fitted after purchase will increase the weight.

To qoute the same from wikipedia

Curb (kerb) weight is the total weight of a vehicle with standard equipment, all necessary operating consumables (such as motor oil and coolant), a full tank of fuel and not loaded with either passengers or cargo.[1]