Ford Fiesta Test Driven

kumar7 · 30th October 2009, 21:45

DigitalDragon@ The booking amount varies from dealer to dealer. First check the dealer popularity in terms of good service because what I understood is that dealer does not make much profit during sale but they get huge profit in servicing.

I was surprised when dealer said he just got 17K profit from my deal! I don't think there will be such a low margin when they selling such a high value product.

I seen people who paid simply 10K as booking amount. In my case minimum amount was 1L as the competitor dealer said they have cars in stock however my dealer places order with ford only when you confirm the order! I think this is true because when the Fiesta was face lifted at that time the competitor dealer had 2 - 3 cars on display and he was ready to deliver it in 2 days! So its all depend on dealers and you don't have much control on it.

Unless there is any emergency I don't think you will wish to take your money back as your heart beats at such a fast rate just with thought that D day is coming closer

DigitalDragon · 30th October 2009, 22:12

You are right Kumar. I am actually planning to book it asap. But have to wait few more days for the ZXi Lim to come.
Does it really matter a much in terms of resale, as the car mfg will be either Nov or Dec. Just for 2 months will it be significantly less compared to a car mfd in Jan, if i wait for 2 more months ?

Gilead · 30th October 2009, 22:52

10K sounds like a good enough amount for booking. The dealers here have a 2K cancellation charge.

nura · 30th October 2009, 23:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by ghodlur

The stock tryes are MRF and I would like to change it to Michelin XM1+. The dealer has agreed for replacement with the difference to be paid by me. Can anyone kindly let me know what would be the differential amount.

This is what my tyre dealer quoted a few hours ago.
Cost of XM1+ 175/65 R14 Rs 3675
Buyback price ZV2K Rs 2200
Difference Rs 1475
Multiplied by 5 = Rs 7375

kumar7 · 31st October 2009, 00:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by DigitalDragon

You are right Kumar. I am actually planning to book it asap. But have to wait few more days for the ZXi Lim to come.
Does it really matter a much in terms of resale, as the car mfg will be either Nov or Dec. Just for 2 months will it be significantly less compared to a car mfd in Jan, if i wait for 2 more months ?

If you looking for huge offer and wish more discount then I recommend you to start negotiating with dealers in mid of December and keep target to close the deal by 30th Dec 2009.

The reason am suggesting to book in Dec is because dealers clear current year stock and they offer huge discounts. Above all you can negotiate for more accessories or cash discount provided you have patience to wait & resale value is not a problem.

If you book car after Jan then resale value changes and it depends on after how many years you selling the car. As car price is 8L so IMO if you resale 2009 model then car price will depreciate by 50K (Based on my old care resale experience am quoting this figure).

If you are like Nairrk (Wish to drive all good brands

) who changes car in every 2 -3 years then you should buy car in Jan only!

nairrk · 31st October 2009, 09:51

@kumar7

You are correct - buy a vehicle in end dec 2009 means it is 2009 model, when you go to the market to sell the car. Wait one more month then it becomes 2010 model.
But I dont look at these calculation, but my logic is to buy a car before 31st march to add that expense in the current financial year. You got it.?
Thanks

kumar7 · 31st October 2009, 14:00

Yes Nairji! I got it that you are die heart auto enthusiastic and Gandhiji's fan also (just kidding)

ghodlur · 3rd November 2009, 09:54

Finally I have booked my Biesta, details as follows:
Model: Ford Fiesta
Variant: 1.6 Zxi
Cost: 7.12 L onroad incl of octroi & registration
Colour: Morello
Delivery: 19th Nov 2009.
Dealer: Wasan Ford, Thane.
Discount: 25K (instead of insurance)
Exchange discount: 10K (2years EW with RSA)
Corporate discount: Nil
Insurance: By me.
Freebies: basic kit (mud flaps, mats, dicky mat)+teflon coating+leather wrap steering wheel+SS door scuff plates.

After weeks of contemplation and negotiations with dealer, I finally booked my Fiesta on 30th Oct 09. Booking amt: 25K. My point of contact with Ford was Mr Manish who was extremely helpful never got irritated with my queries or my unearthly hour calls (sometimes 9 pm in nights). I had debated with him (& his manager) over the basic cost as there was a difference in the Internet price and dealer price of 10K. He confirmed the same from Ford, Chennai and finally passed the internet price to me. I again debated with the octroi rate which is 4.5% as per Thane Municipal corporation guy but 5% as per dealer. Manish showed me the TMC circular about change in octroi rate but I will challenge him by personally verifying the same. Till now the experience with Ford has been wonderful, hope it will be in future too.
I would like to express my heartfelt thanks to GTO, vnabhi, shajufx, frankmehta, nairk, yajaman99 and many more BHPians for their valuable advice who helped me arrive at this decision. Would request the moderator to change the topic desc to "Ford Fiesta test driven and booked"
Besides twidling my thumbs waiting for my biesta, I thought I would take some help from fellow BHPians.
a) What does the compression ratio of 9.75:1 mean?
b) What does the fuel interia cut off switch do?
c) How accurate is the distance to empty display?
d) I have read many Biesta owners change the tyre size from 175/65 R15 to 185/65 R14, does this have any effect on performance, mileage, ground clearance etc?
e) Any niggling issues which I need to clarify from dealer.
f) The stock tyres are MRF, does changing to Michelin Energy XM1+ makes sense since the difference would be 1150/- per tyre if taken from outside and Rs 1000/- per tyre from Ford.
MRF buy back: 2500/-
Michelin: 3650/-
Difference: 1150/- total 5750/-.

All in all I am feeling elated to be a part of the Fiesta brotherhood. Only if I had a time machine, I could forward to 19th Nov and feast on my beast.

nairrk · 3rd November 2009, 10:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by ghodlur

Finally I have booked my Biesta, details as follows:
Model: Ford Fiesta
Variant: 1.6 Zxi
Cost: 7.12 L onroad incl of octroi & registration
Colour: Morello
Delivery: 19th Nov 2009.
Dealer: Wasan Ford, Thane.
Discount: 25K (instead of insurance)
Exchange discount: 10K (2years EW with RSA)
Corporate discount: Nil
Insurance: By me.
Freebies: basic kit (mud flaps, mats, dicky mat)+teflon coating+leather wrap steering wheel+SS door scuff plates.

After weeks of contemplation and negotiations with dealer, I finally booked my Fiesta on 30th Oct 09. Booking amt: 25K. My point of contact with Ford was Mr Manish who was extremely helpful never got irritated with my queries or my unearthly hour calls (sometimes 9 pm in nights). I had debated with him (& his manager) over the basic cost as there was a difference in the Internet price and dealer price of 10K. He confirmed the same from Ford, Chennai and finally passed the internet price to me. I again debated with the octroi rate which is 4.5% as per Thane Municipal corporation guy but 5% as per dealer. Manish showed me the TMC circular about change in octroi rate but I will challenge him by personally verifying the same. Till now the experience with Ford has been wonderful, hope it will be in future too.
I would like to express my heartfelt thanks to GTO, vnabhi, shajufx, frankmehta, nairk, yajaman99 and many more BHPians for their valuable advice who helped me arrive at this decision. Would request the moderator to change the topic desc to "Ford Fiesta test driven and booked"
Besides twidling my thumbs waiting for my biesta, I thought I would take some help from fellow BHPians.
a) What does the compression ratio of 9.75:1 mean?
b) What does the fuel interia cut off switch do?
c) How accurate is the distance to empty display?
d) I have read many Biesta owners change the tyre size from 175/65 R15 to 185/65 R14, does this have any effect on performance, mileage, ground clearance etc?
e) Any niggling issues which I need to clarify from dealer.
f) The stock tyres are MRF, does changing to Michelin Energy XM1+ makes sense since the difference would be 1150/- per tyre if taken from outside and Rs 1000/- per tyre from Ford.
MRF buy back: 2500/-
Michelin: 3650/-
Difference: 1150/- total 5750/-.

All in all I am feeling elated to be a part of the Fiesta brotherhood. Only if I had a time machine, I could forward to 19th Nov and feast on my beast.

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So finally, after a long research you have booked your dream car

Re freebies - suggest go for underbody antirust coating instead of teflon coating which is not recommended by many of our members. But underbody coating is required for any car.

Regarding your questions, the points I understood was:

b) The fuel supply may be cut off as a result of an accident or sudden vibrations

c) Not so accurate in all cars in the initial stage but may be getting okay after one or two services. you will learn to undestand it in few days.

d and f) -I presume this will be answered by our members who are well versed with tyre change.

Cheers

ghodlur · 3rd November 2009, 11:11

@nairrk,

I enquired with dealer, he said the car comes with a coat of anti rust from factory itself. Do i need to still stress on the undercoat instead of teflon & what are the disadvantages of teflon coating.

Thanks for your fast reply on my queries. Still waiting for other BHPians to respond.

rajeshvin · 3rd November 2009, 11:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by ghodlur

@nairrk,

I enquired with dealer, he said the car comes with a coat of anti rust from factory itself. Do i need to still stress on the undercoat instead of teflon & what are the disadvantages of teflon coating.

Thanks for your fast reply on my queries. Still waiting for other BHPians to respond.

Ghodlur, first of all congrats for your beauty

.

As per my observation car don't comes with anti rust coating from factory, I did anti rust coating from dealer itself (as a freebie), if you want to go for upper body coating go for waxoyl. For teflon queries refer this thread.

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/techni...ally-help.html

I and many others have changed the stock size tyres from 175/65/R14 to 185/65/R14, Initially I was not interested to change the stock size,I was only interested to change from MRF to Michelin, but it was my destiny when I went to pre-decided tyre shop, the stock size was out of stock and was unlikely to available for one more week, I decided to upsize to 185/65/R14, I can't give you comparative comfort difference between stock size and upsized tyres as I drove stock tyres for merely 18 kms, but the 185/65/R14 Michelin tyres have good ride comfort, less tyre noise and good grip on road.
The price quoted to you is fair enough, I got exchanged 5 tyres for Rs. 5500/-. The best deal extracted in exchange is by Kumar.

As per me DTE is crap, they would have given instant fuel consumption indicator, atleast it would have helped us to improve our driving style to extract maximum fuel efficiency.

I have driven around 1500 kms, yet no niggles no rattles so far(touchwood)

.

nairrk · 3rd November 2009, 12:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by ghodlur

@nairrk,

I enquired with dealer, he said the car comes with a coat of anti rust from factory itself. Do i need to still stress on the undercoat instead of teflon & what are the disadvantages of teflon coating.

Thanks for your fast reply on my queries. Still waiting for other BHPians to respond.

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as replied by @rajeshvin, I dont think the car will come with antirust painted from the factory. My dealer recommended for teflon and under body coating for which I only opted for underbody antirust coating.
Thanks

Gilead · 3rd November 2009, 13:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by ghodlur

All in all I am feeling elated to be a part of the Fiesta brotherhood. Only if I had a time machine, I could forward to 19th Nov and feast on my beast.

ghodlur, congrats and welcome to the Fiesta brotherhood.

. If you had probably waited for another day, we might have known if a ZXi Limited is coming out at the same price of the ZXi. If it does indeed pop up tomorrow, I would recommend that you change your booking to the Limited if you like the features offered.

ghodlur · 3rd November 2009, 13:30

@Gilead,

I had the information of ZXi limited edition coming in the month of Nov before I was to book and had made it quiet clear to dealer that if it happens he would transfer my booking to ltd edition without any additional charges.
I will reconfirm with my dealer againif the car comes with one coat of antirust.

kumar7 · 3rd November 2009, 21:16

@Ghodlur

Congratulations for your new machine and be prepared for sleepless nights till calender hits 19th

Eventhough you took commitment from dealer to change the deal if limited edition comes in between but IMO you should wait for it rather than placing the order. On receipt of initial payment, the dealer usually places order with Ford so its bit difficult to push your dealer at later stage.

The person buying Ford product usually does a lot of homework so dealer can't push your regular ZXI to him and give you limited edition.

30th October 2009, 21:45	#31
kumar7 BHPian Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Pune Posts: 320 Thanked: 28 Times View My Garage	DigitalDragon@ The booking amount varies from dealer to dealer. First check the dealer popularity in terms of good service because what I understood is that dealer does not make much profit during sale but they get huge profit in servicing. I was surprised when dealer said he just got 17K profit from my deal! I don't think there will be such a low margin when they selling such a high value product. I seen people who paid simply 10K as booking amount. In my case minimum amount was 1L as the competitor dealer said they have cars in stock however my dealer places order with ford only when you confirm the order! I think this is true because when the Fiesta was face lifted at that time the competitor dealer had 2 - 3 cars on display and he was ready to deliver it in 2 days! So its all depend on dealers and you don't have much control on it. Unless there is any emergency I don't think you will wish to take your money back as your heart beats at such a fast rate just with thought that D day is coming closer Last edited by kumar7 : 30th October 2009 at 21:47.
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30th October 2009, 22:12	#32
DigitalDragon BHPian Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Bangalore Posts: 242 Thanked: 24 Times	You are right Kumar. I am actually planning to book it asap. But have to wait few more days for the ZXi Lim to come. Does it really matter a much in terms of resale, as the car mfg will be either Nov or Dec. Just for 2 months will it be significantly less compared to a car mfd in Jan, if i wait for 2 more months ?
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30th October 2009, 22:52	#33
Gilead Senior - BHPian Join Date: May 2009 Location: Chennai Posts: 2,142 Thanked: 60 Times	10K sounds like a good enough amount for booking. The dealers here have a 2K cancellation charge.
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31st October 2009, 09:51	#36
nairrk Senior - BHPian Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Kannur Posts: 2,446 Thanked: 687 Times View My Garage	@kumar7 You are correct - buy a vehicle in end dec 2009 means it is 2009 model, when you go to the market to sell the car. Wait one more month then it becomes 2010 model. But I dont look at these calculation, but my logic is to buy a car before 31st march to add that expense in the current financial year. You got it.? Thanks
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31st October 2009, 14:00	#37
kumar7 BHPian Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Pune Posts: 320 Thanked: 28 Times View My Garage	Yes Nairji! I got it that you are die heart auto enthusiastic and Gandhiji's fan also (just kidding) Last edited by kumar7 : 31st October 2009 at 14:01.
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3rd November 2009, 09:54	#38
ghodlur Senior - BHPian Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Bangalore Posts: 6,237 Thanked: 4,741 Times View My Garage	Finally I have booked my Biesta, details as follows: Model: Ford Fiesta Variant: 1.6 Zxi Cost: 7.12 L onroad incl of octroi & registration Colour: Morello Delivery: 19th Nov 2009. Dealer: Wasan Ford, Thane. Discount: 25K (instead of insurance) Exchange discount: 10K (2years EW with RSA) Corporate discount: Nil Insurance: By me. Freebies: basic kit (mud flaps, mats, dicky mat)+teflon coating+leather wrap steering wheel+SS door scuff plates. After weeks of contemplation and negotiations with dealer, I finally booked my Fiesta on 30th Oct 09. Booking amt: 25K. My point of contact with Ford was Mr Manish who was extremely helpful never got irritated with my queries or my unearthly hour calls (sometimes 9 pm in nights). I had debated with him (& his manager) over the basic cost as there was a difference in the Internet price and dealer price of 10K. He confirmed the same from Ford, Chennai and finally passed the internet price to me. I again debated with the octroi rate which is 4.5% as per Thane Municipal corporation guy but 5% as per dealer. Manish showed me the TMC circular about change in octroi rate but I will challenge him by personally verifying the same. Till now the experience with Ford has been wonderful, hope it will be in future too. I would like to express my heartfelt thanks to GTO, vnabhi, shajufx, frankmehta, nairk, yajaman99 and many more BHPians for their valuable advice who helped me arrive at this decision. Would request the moderator to change the topic desc to "Ford Fiesta test driven and booked" Besides twidling my thumbs waiting for my biesta, I thought I would take some help from fellow BHPians. a) What does the compression ratio of 9.75:1 mean? b) What does the fuel interia cut off switch do? c) How accurate is the distance to empty display? d) I have read many Biesta owners change the tyre size from 175/65 R15 to 185/65 R14, does this have any effect on performance, mileage, ground clearance etc? e) Any niggling issues which I need to clarify from dealer. f) The stock tyres are MRF, does changing to Michelin Energy XM1+ makes sense since the difference would be 1150/- per tyre if taken from outside and Rs 1000/- per tyre from Ford. MRF buy back: 2500/- Michelin: 3650/- Difference: 1150/- total 5750/-. All in all I am feeling elated to be a part of the Fiesta brotherhood. Only if I had a time machine, I could forward to 19th Nov and feast on my beast.
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3rd November 2009, 11:11	#40
ghodlur Senior - BHPian Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Bangalore Posts: 6,237 Thanked: 4,741 Times View My Garage	@nairrk, I enquired with dealer, he said the car comes with a coat of anti rust from factory itself. Do i need to still stress on the undercoat instead of teflon & what are the disadvantages of teflon coating. Thanks for your fast reply on my queries. Still waiting for other BHPians to respond.
	() Thanks

3rd November 2009, 13:30	#44
ghodlur Senior - BHPian Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Bangalore Posts: 6,237 Thanked: 4,741 Times View My Garage	@Gilead, I had the information of ZXi limited edition coming in the month of Nov before I was to book and had made it quiet clear to dealer that if it happens he would transfer my booking to ltd edition without any additional charges. I will reconfirm with my dealer againif the car comes with one coat of antirust.
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3rd November 2009, 21:16	#45
kumar7 BHPian Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Pune Posts: 320 Thanked: 28 Times View My Garage	@Ghodlur Congratulations for your new machine and be prepared for sleepless nights till calender hits 19th Eventhough you took commitment from dealer to change the deal if limited edition comes in between but IMO you should wait for it rather than placing the order. On receipt of initial payment, the dealer usually places order with Ford so its bit difficult to push your dealer at later stage. The person buying Ford product usually does a lot of homework so dealer can't push your regular ZXI to him and give you limited edition.
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