Help Required: Procuring Alloy Wheel nuts for Palio (98 PCD conversion)

Jaggu · 24th July 2007, 20:27

Find a good garage, get hold of longer bolts and chop them to correct length, yes you can tapper the ends. Find a good lathe to do the job and ensure you buy the best quality bolts.

basilmabraham · 24th July 2007, 21:11

@Jaggu, nice idea. I had that in mind as last resort...was looking for a simpler solution...there again the problem is getting longer bolts that fit in the hub...I think it may lead to some work on the hub too, to make it fit for the long bolt.

Strange that none of th Palio owners have posted a solution for this problem.

speedzak · 24th July 2007, 23:08

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Originally Posted by rishibravo

Hydrashok doesnt face this problem as he didnt upsize the tyres. Moreover he has PCD 98 HRs I think

Hello! He has 15" HR alloys. But luckily, he got 98 PCD in a design he liked.
And the Alloys are not very thick from the stock ones (near the screwing area).
Take a look at his garage. the car is great to look at with those alloys.

hydrashok · 25th July 2007, 08:08

@Basil, I missed this thead. I got here, thanks to Zak.

As Zak said, I'm running 15" HRs.

Is your ride a 1.6 or a Diesel? Apparently the 1.6 & the Diesel need nuts of a different length than the 1.2 (I'm sorry I don't remember whether the difference means they are longer or shorter). I remember Philip (Global Tyres) mentioning this to me when I asked for separate alloy nuts. He had them in stock, but they wouldn't fit my 1.2 (they were too long for my 1.2). My alloys are on the stock nuts now. He also said keeping the stock nuts minimised all issues.

I haven't had any issues with my alloys (touchwood). I've taken the car upto a shade above 130 and she's stayed rock solid - no vibrations or jarring.

Carfreak had to change his alloy nuts to stock (1.6) after he switched back to the Fiat Alloys. There were some "nut" issues here too.

When you are here in Cochin, I'll be glad to help in any way I can

EDIT: I agree with all of what Zak has said in post #5. FIAT's alloy policy is quite crazy. I was lucky to get wheels that I liked without having to go through a lot of heartburn.

basilmabraham · 25th July 2007, 08:53

@Hydra.
Mine is a 1.9D. I didnt know that the 1.9 and 1.6 needed nuts different from 1.2..I tried all the nuts Global had in stock and none of them fit properly...Got 6 nuts (a bit longer ones from Elegant Motors, near to Modern Bread) Some of them fit properly, some doesnt..I guess my wheel hub has gone bad and would either require a replacement or may need to redo the screw.
I will PM you for your number, need Zaks number too...

hellspawn · 25th July 2007, 09:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by rishibravo

Either stick to the OE Alloys or keep looking for 98 PCDs .I failed to do so and took the adjustment route. And I curse my decision when I get a puncture

. But when i look at my baby with those rims I feel happy. So its a give some and take some deal. Some take it and some dont. I took it and there have been much more happy moments than the treacherous ones

...

hey but don't you have neo alloys...they are 98pcd and designed for the palio.am i right??

and one of the reasons why i havent bought alloys for my siena as yet,never thought getting alloys would be a tedious job.

carfreak · 27th July 2007, 18:59

my my,what a heated debate!!on a topic that gave me sleepless nights and an empty pocket!!and the nightmares are still not over for me!!

hi basil,my problem was slightly diffrent from yours-i bought a 1.6 sport and i went for a new set of alloys on which i could not put my stock nuts as in the rear,the nuts started rubbing with some thing(brake-liner?)with the new alloys and so i had to put in the nuts of the 1.2palio(the steel disc ones-they are shorter than the usual alloy wheel nuts)now the problem started-at high speeds i started experiencing severe steering wheel vibrations which did not go despite checking the balancing twice.after a long search in t-bhp i realised one has to fit the alloy wheel nuts only as they taper in a different manner than the steel disc nuts.due to all these problems and after tking advice from our resident tire-dealer(oops,sorry iraghava

)i
realised it was best to go back to o.e. alloys as i like playing it safe and enjoying my drive-did not want the high speed vibrations and all that.i lost a lot of money in the process as you may have guessed by now.(zak and hydra were witness to all this,so they will narrate the whole story once you meet up with them.zak,start in the morning itself so that you will finish by next day morning!!

)
when i fitted the new alloys,again i had problem procuring the original alloy nuts(i had lost 4 of them)thankfully the t.v.s. service people in mangalore had them but even they were reluctant to give me more than 4-they told it was very difficult to get and they need it for cars that came for service there!!

basil,you know what the biggest problem is?its again the service of fiat-ultimately boils down to that!!spare parts are still difficult to get.when i went to rf once for my car's service,i met a man who had purchased the fiat alloys 3months back but could not fit them due to non-availability of the alloy wheel nuts!!and despite him placing the order at rf,even they were not giving a 100% guarantee they would get it for him.things may change in future,but still now,at least in ekm,fiat is seen as an unwanted child by the tata-dealers.they may talk sweet but they still do not have the experience!!

i hope i have been of some help!!

tyrestore · 29th July 2007, 10:53

the bolts for the palio would be avaliable with this guy in ludhiana his mobile number is harpal singh but the problem is this guy understands only hindi and u got to explain him in detail his name is harpal singh and his mobile no is 098145 04190

basilmabraham · 30th July 2007, 12:36

thanks carfreak...I understand ur problem...truely the TATA service deals with Fiat cars in a very pathetic way..I remember some one here in tbhp saying that the Fiats are too techincally advanced for the TATA guys to repair on...

anyways am planning to get my problem solved by fabricating custom alloy wheels...dont know where to begin though... :(

iraghava · 30th July 2007, 12:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by basilmabraham

anyways am planning to get my problem solved by fabricating custom alloy wheels...dont know where to begin though... :(

Unless you have access to a high-quality CNC machine, CAD/CAM designer & a supplier of specialised alloy material, I suggest you not think of this option. Fabricating alloys isn't that easy, trust me on that one.

basilmabraham · 31st July 2007, 12:23

thanks for the insight iraghava...i guess, you know this better than any one else in the forum...it was indeed a post out of desperation.. :(

I have decide to put my ego on the shelf and switch back to stock steel wheels..will upgrade the tires on those later...
With my 3 month old soon to travel in the car, I cant take any more risks...

thanks all for all the help...the alloy wheel nut problem remains unsolved for me, but, I still hope to find a permanent solution to this problem some time...

Jaggu · 31st July 2007, 15:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by basilmabraham

thanks for the insight iraghava...i guess, you know this better than any one else in the forum...it was indeed a post out of desperation.. :(

I have decide to put my ego on the shelf and switch back to stock steel wheels..will upgrade the tires on those later...
With my 3 month old soon to travel in the car, I cant take any more risks...

thanks all for all the help...the alloy wheel nut problem remains unsolved for me, but, I still hope to find a permanent solution to this problem some time...

@basil: do you have access to a good workshop? if so please take the car to them and explain clearly the issue. Any competent workshop along with access to lathe shop can do this job (finding a bolt and moding it to sepc). It will take one saturday time of yours max.

basilmabraham · 31st July 2007, 18:38

@Jaggu, Thanks. I know it is possible at a good workshop. I do have acces to good work shops...I have given the car for service and some minor repairs..once i get it back..will try this option out..

The TVS service guy here in trivandrum says, its the power spanners that the tire shops are using is the main culprit in this case...anyways I have decided to switch to the stock wheels for the time being.

nikhilv12 · 6th August 2007, 20:48

check this out, this will solve your problem.
http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/modifi...ication-5.html

basilmabraham · 6th August 2007, 23:14

Thanks for the link Nikhil...but even they dont have a clear answer...

I have decided to take the risk and run the car on the alloys itself...TVS service guys says it shud fit..it had fit properly for tha last 15-20k...hope it will for another 15 to 20k...

also I have the call to be made to zak, when am in Cochin...hope he will do some wonders...

24th July 2007, 20:27	#16
Jaggu Team-BHP Support Join Date: May 2004 Location: Bangalore Posts: 20,383 Thanked: 17,296 Times	Find a good garage, get hold of longer bolts and chop them to correct length, yes you can tapper the ends. Find a good lathe to do the job and ensure you buy the best quality bolts.
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24th July 2007, 21:11	#17
basilmabraham BHPian Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Sydney/Cochin Posts: 772 Thanked: 76 Times View My Garage	@Jaggu, nice idea. I had that in mind as last resort...was looking for a simpler solution...there again the problem is getting longer bolts that fit in the hub...I think it may lead to some work on the hub too, to make it fit for the long bolt. Strange that none of th Palio owners have posted a solution for this problem.
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25th July 2007, 08:08	#19
hydrashok Senior - BHPian Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: In my Office Posts: 2,527 Thanked: 18 Times View My Garage	@Basil, I missed this thead. I got here, thanks to Zak. As Zak said, I'm running 15" HRs. Is your ride a 1.6 or a Diesel? Apparently the 1.6 & the Diesel need nuts of a different length than the 1.2 (I'm sorry I don't remember whether the difference means they are longer or shorter). I remember Philip (Global Tyres) mentioning this to me when I asked for separate alloy nuts. He had them in stock, but they wouldn't fit my 1.2 (they were too long for my 1.2). My alloys are on the stock nuts now. He also said keeping the stock nuts minimised all issues. I haven't had any issues with my alloys (touchwood). I've taken the car upto a shade above 130 and she's stayed rock solid - no vibrations or jarring. Carfreak had to change his alloy nuts to stock (1.6) after he switched back to the Fiat Alloys. There were some "nut" issues here too. When you are here in Cochin, I'll be glad to help in any way I can EDIT: I agree with all of what Zak has said in post #5. FIAT's alloy policy is quite crazy. I was lucky to get wheels that I liked without having to go through a lot of heartburn. Last edited by hydrashok : 25th July 2007 at 08:12.
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25th July 2007, 08:53	#20
basilmabraham BHPian Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Sydney/Cochin Posts: 772 Thanked: 76 Times View My Garage	@Hydra. Mine is a 1.9D. I didnt know that the 1.9 and 1.6 needed nuts different from 1.2..I tried all the nuts Global had in stock and none of them fit properly...Got 6 nuts (a bit longer ones from Elegant Motors, near to Modern Bread) Some of them fit properly, some doesnt..I guess my wheel hub has gone bad and would either require a replacement or may need to redo the screw. I will PM you for your number, need Zaks number too...
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27th July 2007, 18:59	#22
carfreak BHPian Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Udupi Posts: 599 Thanked: 343 Times	my my,what a heated debate!!on a topic that gave me sleepless nights and an empty pocket!!and the nightmares are still not over for me!! hi basil,my problem was slightly diffrent from yours-i bought a 1.6 sport and i went for a new set of alloys on which i could not put my stock nuts as in the rear,the nuts started rubbing with some thing(brake-liner?)with the new alloys and so i had to put in the nuts of the 1.2palio(the steel disc ones-they are shorter than the usual alloy wheel nuts)now the problem started-at high speeds i started experiencing severe steering wheel vibrations which did not go despite checking the balancing twice.after a long search in t-bhp i realised one has to fit the alloy wheel nuts only as they taper in a different manner than the steel disc nuts.due to all these problems and after tking advice from our resident tire-dealer(oops,sorry iraghava )i realised it was best to go back to o.e. alloys as i like playing it safe and enjoying my drive-did not want the high speed vibrations and all that.i lost a lot of money in the process as you may have guessed by now.(zak and hydra were witness to all this,so they will narrate the whole story once you meet up with them.zak,start in the morning itself so that you will finish by next day morning!! ) when i fitted the new alloys,again i had problem procuring the original alloy nuts(i had lost 4 of them)thankfully the t.v.s. service people in mangalore had them but even they were reluctant to give me more than 4-they told it was very difficult to get and they need it for cars that came for service there!! basil,you know what the biggest problem is?its again the service of fiat-ultimately boils down to that!!spare parts are still difficult to get.when i went to rf once for my car's service,i met a man who had purchased the fiat alloys 3months back but could not fit them due to non-availability of the alloy wheel nuts!!and despite him placing the order at rf,even they were not giving a 100% guarantee they would get it for him.things may change in future,but still now,at least in ekm,fiat is seen as an unwanted child by the tata-dealers.they may talk sweet but they still do not have the experience!! i hope i have been of some help!!
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29th July 2007, 10:53	#23
tyrestore Newbie Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Chennai Posts: 13 Thanked: 0 Times	the bolts for the palio would be avaliable with this guy in ludhiana his mobile number is harpal singh but the problem is this guy understands only hindi and u got to explain him in detail his name is harpal singh and his mobile no is 098145 04190
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30th July 2007, 12:36	#24
basilmabraham BHPian Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Sydney/Cochin Posts: 772 Thanked: 76 Times View My Garage	thanks carfreak...I understand ur problem...truely the TATA service deals with Fiat cars in a very pathetic way..I remember some one here in tbhp saying that the Fiats are too techincally advanced for the TATA guys to repair on... anyways am planning to get my problem solved by fabricating custom alloy wheels...dont know where to begin though... :(
	() Thanks

31st July 2007, 12:23	#26
basilmabraham BHPian Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Sydney/Cochin Posts: 772 Thanked: 76 Times View My Garage	thanks for the insight iraghava...i guess, you know this better than any one else in the forum...it was indeed a post out of desperation.. :( I have decide to put my ego on the shelf and switch back to stock steel wheels..will upgrade the tires on those later... With my 3 month old soon to travel in the car, I cant take any more risks... thanks all for all the help...the alloy wheel nut problem remains unsolved for me, but, I still hope to find a permanent solution to this problem some time...
	() Thanks

31st July 2007, 18:38	#28
basilmabraham BHPian Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Sydney/Cochin Posts: 772 Thanked: 76 Times View My Garage	@Jaggu, Thanks. I know it is possible at a good workshop. I do have acces to good work shops...I have given the car for service and some minor repairs..once i get it back..will try this option out.. The TVS service guy here in trivandrum says, its the power spanners that the tire shops are using is the main culprit in this case...anyways I have decided to switch to the stock wheels for the time being.
	() Thanks

6th August 2007, 20:48	#29
nikhilv12 BHPian Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: trivandrum Posts: 273 Thanked: 9 Times View My Garage	check this out, this will solve your problem. http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/modifi...ication-5.html
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6th August 2007, 23:14	#30
basilmabraham BHPian Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Sydney/Cochin Posts: 772 Thanked: 76 Times View My Garage	Thanks for the link Nikhil...but even they dont have a clear answer... I have decided to take the risk and run the car on the alloys itself...TVS service guys says it shud fit..it had fit properly for tha last 15-20k...hope it will for another 15 to 20k... also I have the call to be made to zak, when am in Cochin...hope he will do some wonders...
	() Thanks