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Old 10th September 2019, 16:36   #16
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Amazing thread KPS! I love reading about Barn Finds - never found much details about Indian Barn Finds - but finally we have one now.

The Bristol would also need a special mention here.

https://www.team-bhp.com/forum/vinta...-all-odds.html (1948 Bristol 400 - Resurrection against all odds!)
Absolutely. I had requested Karl to do the honours for the Bristol in this thread.

Barn Finds are always exciting!

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Thanks for starting this thread. I love reading about barn finds!
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Another one from Rajasthan, is this rare 1939 Ford V8 91A convertible sedan the car had 15000 miles on the odo and sat in a garage for almost 65 years.

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Off-topic question:

Is there any legal structure in India that allows for barn finds/vintage/older cars to be registered legally? I can't imagine them passing pollution laws with period/orinigal engines. (And aren't modifying cars out of their homologated specs illegal in India?)

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Is there any legal structure in India that allows for barn finds/vintage/older cars to be registered legally? I can't imagine them passing pollution laws with period/orinigal engines. (And aren't modifying cars out of their homologated specs illegal in India?)

Interesting question and I certainly would be interested to understand how this works in India. In Europe and the USA the system is fairly straightforward.

In essence cars need to comply with the rules and regulations of the year they were built in. That goes for everything, emissions, but also for instance safety. If safety belts were not mandatory at the time the car was built, they are not required now either.

Same for emissions. My classic cars, when going for their bi-annual MOT inspection are checked against emission requirements for the year they were built.

If anything it means, you can keep a car very original and still be completely road legal.

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Amazing thread. Good to see so many cars that we're almost dead, brought back to their original condition. How much does it cost approx. to get these in a working condition?
One thing - I don't see any Standard Heralds or Gazels here. Can someone share the stories of such finds with Standard cars? I think they need to be documented here.
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Barn and Garage Finds has always been of much interest across the world and there is a huge following, as historic vehicles are unearthed.

Wiki defines Barn Finds as below

Update on this car is that it has been sold on.

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Such a fantastic topic to build a thread. Hope to see a repository being built for future. This will be treasured by many who love to dig on classics and their history.

Highly appreciate for starting this
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Great thread, thanks
One question: How does one manage to update to update RC or transfer RC in case of such cars especially given
  1. Nowadays there is some hefty fine per month for not renewing FC. Wouldn't it run into lakhs?
  2. Original RC would it be available for such cars? how does one get RTO to transfer without RC?
  3. If one has to buy and transfer to other state how does it work. Invoice and all?
  4. Many cases the original owner may have deceased and none bothered to transfer papers? how does one ensure clean transfer of ownership?

These questions have intrigued me for long. Look forward
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Is there any legal structure in India that allows for barn finds/vintage/older cars to be registered legally?
One has to follow the procedure as per the Indian Motor Vehicle Act. Most cases there will some paperwork work available, but there would be a lot of dues

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Interesting question and I certainly would be interested to understand how this works in India.
Jeroen

Rule 92 (2)(c) of the Central Motor Vehicles Rules, 1989 defines vintage cars that are more than 50 years old. Such vintage cars have some benefits in the form of lower Insurance Premium, Road Tax concession as per respective State Laws.

The vintage fraternity is trying the get additional concessions for vehicles over 50 years with respect to emission and fitness procedures, Fines etc. We understand that it is awaiting approval from Parliament.

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One question: How does one manage to update to update RC or transfer RC in case of such cars especially given
  1. Nowadays there is some hefty fine per month for not renewing FC. Wouldn't it run into lakhs?
  2. Original RC would it be available for such cars? how does one get RTO to transfer without RC?
  3. If one has to buy and transfer to other state how does it work. Invoice and all?
  4. Many cases the original owner may have deceased and none bothered to transfer papers? how does one ensure clean transfer of ownership?

These questions have intrigued me for long. Look forward
To answer your above questions
  1. This is factored in the price negotiations
  2. We need the RC Book. We will need to follow the process of applying for a duplicate RC after the payment of all the dues
  3. That is a challenge in some States. NCR will not register old cars. Invoices, Catalogues and Brochures from the Net could be source for determining the price
  4. If there is a Will it is easy. However, in the absence of Will, we will need to get a legal heir certificate. The car will first be transferred to the legal heir who will sign the transfer papers

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How much does it cost approx. to get these in a working condition?
You can burn your hands very badly easily if you pick the wrong project. Even if you have the money, the mechanic and workmen can frustrate you without any end. The quality of restoration you want to achieve is key to the final cost. Replacement or repair or modifications with local parts, etc are decision which can drill a deep hole in your pocket.

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By far my favourite thread right now . There’s something mystical about cars that no one has seen, stuck in a time warp and unrestored.
Preservation class cars are priceless in my book , as long as they can be safely kept that way.
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Hello KPS. Very interesting and informative thread. Thank you for creating a thread for Barn finds.
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Reason why the car is very collectible is
  1. Originality
  2. Preservation Class

Update on this car is that it has been sold on.

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I tried searching in Google for 1938 DKW F7 Coupe Cabriolet pics. The Google's pics appears a lot different than the one posted by you. Is this DKW altered?
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A ponton Mercedes that was seen in Santacruz, Mumbai. Had enquired and it was for sale a few years ago. Disappeared now so no idea on its whereabouts.
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This 1934 Chevrolet in Rajasthan hasn't been on the roads for atleast 60+ years, a very original car still on factory paint.

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Another famous barn find - Rolls Royce Silver Shadow from Khandala / Lonavala, Maharashtra.

More details here : https://www.team-bhp.com/forum/vinta...er-shadow.html (The mystery of the Khandala Rolls-Royce Silver Shadow!)
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I received this Whatsapp forward on this wonderful and very recent BarnFind. Since these pictures are on the public domain, I am posting the same here.

This is a beautiful late 1920's Oakland

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Appears to be landaulette
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