Originally Posted by selfdrive
Considering you want to keep the car for 10 years, of the shortlisted ones I would recommend the Punto.
Of the options you havent considered:
- please TD a Manza; you may end up either extending your budget a little bit or going for the mid range ABS version
- used/ pre owned cars: let somebody else bear the brunt of depreciation or the first couple of years and then you keep the car for as long as you want.
Benefits? more range of cars in the same budget and better/ more features too. Perhaps a bit of snob value thrown in
If you end up buying a used Punto, you will save some money and you will also get a rust free model!
Apologies, selfdrive. I didn't see this ^^ earlier post of yours, so replying to it now...
I am not a big fan of Tata cars. Even though their entire range is spacious enough and they are all wonderful VFMs, there is something about a Tata car which doesn't click with me. I have sat inside an Indica, Vista, Indigo CS and Manza, and I don't know - just this gut feeling that Tata isn't for me. Whether it's the central console, the rather cheap-looking interior plastics, the rubbery gearbox or something else. (no offence to Tata lovers)
Just like all Hyundais. I have experienced long journeys in the Santro, Accent, i10, i20, (older) Sonata, (older) Verna, etc. and even driven the Santro, i10 and older Verna, and there's something superficial about Hyundais in general (no offence to Hyundai lovers).
The i10 I drove, was of a colleague. Imagine my astonishment when I hooked one finger into the steering and rotated it several turns without any effort whatsoever! Now that's what I call a truly lifeless steering!
No Hyundais or Tatas for me, was my conclusion. Dad insisted for me to go for the Indigo eCS, which would be a great buy considering it's diesel, spacious, good engine and great resale value (even as a taxi), but I flatly said no. After all, a car buy is just not about all of the above - there needs to be that...umm, how can I put it..."flavor". Maybe a little bit of heart with lots of head is what is needed.
Used cars - yes, I considered them briefly, simply for the range of choices they offer within the same budget. But I am not a good judge of used cars, and always feel apprehensive that I might buy a lemon after getting impressed by it's initial looks and feel. Trusty mechanics are hard to find, and dealers in JDP and the capital haven't started their own used car outlets yet, except Maruti. Very, very tough to find a good used car in JDP, and I don't have the time to look in the capital, given my job schedule.
Originally Posted by theexperthand
True. Buying a car is not something we do almost every year, so better safe than sorry.
The trend I have seen among my friends is that, if you have a diesel car, you tend to drive more - in most cases, the prediction of X km in a year have been crossed in few initial months itself. I will always prefer a diesel - once you buy the car and start enjoy driving it, I am sure you will drive more than what you plan now
I enjoy driving quite a bit. The city I live in has a wonderful small lake near where I live, and I cruise around the lake road whenever I get the time.
The problem is the traffic. This state's traffic has to be surely ranked as the worst in India - unruly, no traffic sense at all, and most of all, ready to fight even if it's their fault. Both, the capital and our city, has some of the most vicious bike riders you will ever get to see, specially schoolkids who don't even possess a driving license and are zipping around in Karizmas and Pulsars and Apaches!
So, even if I am a driving enthusiast, I feel it's a risk to cruise around in my city. Roads are usually congested, no/little traffic sense of the other drivers (specially bike riders), and narrow roads. This place is still suited for hatchbacks; no sedans for now.
Originally Posted by dkaile
Well Raven, you seem to be in quite a dilemma and quite confused by now with the multiple options (aishwarya rai or jayalalitha... lolz). However as GTO mentioned, a Toyota is a Toyota. You might not like its plane jane sensibility right now, but over a period of time you will fall in love with it. Do give LIVA (if the Etios is too big for you) a second chance and go for the lower petrol motor and then live happily ever after with complete peace of mind. It will fit your budget too... Best of luck...
Yes, the Liva is a much better looker than the Etios sedan. But I have read that it will come with the same interiors as the sedan, and that central console is a turn off. When I TDed the Etios sedan, I felt my attention kept diverting from the road when I glanced at the center console to check the speeds and rpm. It's slightly odd to divert looking from the road to the left (like in the Etios and Indica) than from top towards bottom (like in conventional consoles, as in my 800).
But, the Liva is also an option. If not for anything, just for the space it offers, city driving benefits, and the Toyota badge.
Originally Posted by selfdrive
Be careful about that statement (highlighted in bold)! This is what I thought while buying my Jazz. My estimate was around 6K a year.But now I am so comfortable driving around that I have clocked almost 3K in around 7 weeks. And the long monsoon drives around Konkan & the Sahyadris are yet to come. Just to warn you that driving can be addictive once you get comfortable in the driving seat.
Do I ever repent not buying a diesel? Yes for a bit and then immediately no! The yes comes when I am paying for petrol at the pump, but the no comes immediately when I start the Jazz. Sorry if I am repeating myself, but FE is not everything, sometimes its ok to spend 20% extra if it brings that smile to your face. What would have been the point if I saved that 20%, owned any other car and sighed whenever a Jazz went by? When I was reconsidering my decision to buy the Jazz, a friend told me its like getting married for a 20% extra dowry and then ruing not marrying the person you would have been happy to live with. No offence meant to anyone, just that I didnt do that either and didnt want to do that with my car either!
As for negotiating skills, hindsight is always precious! We always think later that we should have bargained harder, but its better to work upon it in the present than regret later. I am sure mdsaab and adimicra have also learnt to bargain the smart way, from other experiences around them and their own. I think you have a great opportunity to be called the mdsaab or adimicra of Jdp, again no offence meant to any of you. Just trying to pep you up for the bargaining bit. Kal ko log aapki misaal bhi denge
And please ignore the bits that are heavy on philosophy/ gyaan!
Great observation, my friend. In the end, what matters is the smile on the face and the absolute satisfaction one feels when they are inside the car of their choice!
It's not about snob value or flaunting or practicality, because a car is not an asset. It is a liability and from the day you drive it out of the dealer's place, the depreciation starts. In the end what matters is if you are completely satisfied with your purchase.
This extends to every consumable in our lives, not just cars. For e.g., if I like an AC for it's ease of use and looks, I won't care if it's price is just 10,000/- and go for a 25K AC just because I can flaunt it, no matter how complicated it turns out to be.
This place gets a lot of rains too (in fact it is raining heavily as I type this!). Jdp is rather high-set after a range of in-country mountains, and the rains usually start from the end of June and extend till Diwali times. Ergo my worries about rusting earlier. And driving in the rains is such a pleasure, especially if you are one who absolutely loves the rainy season, like me!
Ahh, I am just a humble fellow from the interior part of our country. If I can haggle a bit and get even half of what our esteemed members' negotiate for and get as discounts, I will be happy. I was pretty happy with the haggling I did with the Fiat people for the Punto last week. No such confidence with the Honda people so far...it will be like grinding my teeth to get anything out of them!
Originally Posted by fiat_tarun
This has become such a common thing on the forum. People love the Punto for the car it is, but the dealers always manage to screw things up ! (Almost in your case - hope things go well).
Like most have mentioned, i too feel that waiting for Jazz discounts will not make much difference to the on road price of the car. Honda might reduce the price by 50k (officially) and the dealers will stop giving the 55k discount and free insurance. So you might actually end up paying more if the discount does come !
Anyways, all the best with your Punto TD's. Do let us know how it goes.
I decided not to wait for them to call back, and visit the capital sometime this weekend after confirmation that both Punto models have come to their showrooms. Any sort of expectations regarding servicing from TATA-Fiat feels pretty useless right now, given the kind of attitude they have shown to a prospective buyer of a 7L+ car so far. It all boils down to one thing in the end - whether I want the car or not.
Yes I did take that fact about the Jazz into consideration too. But if my calculations above prove to be correct, it should be a good deal. Let's see what happens. I somehow doubt that Honda will drop the Rs.1/- insurance offer, although they have shortened the Warranty to 2 years and no more free Roadside Assistance (it now comes in Paid yearly packages). If they do, I can get a much better and cheaper offer from my local insurance, so no worries there.
Thanks, guys. All your replies is helping me immensely to ponder over everything and guiding me in the right direction for my eventual decision. I am very obliged and thankful to all of my friends in T-BHP for taking such an active interest in my tough little decision-making period.