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Originally Posted by RajeshK Hi Vivek, looks like you have already finalised on Indigo CS. I would recommend you to try out the new CR4 Engine if that is avialable in trivandrum. The BSIV version is little more feature rich than its earlier version. |
I've seen the petrol eGLX version at the showroom, the interiors and the exteriors look fab, and the CR4 engine is supposedly the most frugal in India. But the cost is 5.65 lacs on road, and that is waaay out of our range. Plus the bad taste left by DiCOR with troublesome fuel pump and such. TDi is much more reliable and easy to fix at any mechanic.
Besides, CR4 will not be available for at least a couple more months. Not willing to wait that long, and even longer till someone has bought it, clocked some mileage and posted the details here. Not going to be Tata's tech tester. If I had more money, I would experiment, but not right now.
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Originally Posted by greenhorn |
Yes, Even the Tata dealers themselves were advising against it. And almost every mech I know. That's why I didn't buy a pristine used Marina earlier this week, although the dealer quoted 2.75 lacs (2007 model, 45K on odo) and said it was 'adjustable'.
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Originally Posted by greenhorn I'm getting FE in the 13 kmpl range, but that's due to a very heavy right foot. but I'm sure the ford can manage a whole lot better on the FE front. If i were you, and not worried about the resale, I'd go with the ford. only problem is that your options for service in tvm outside kairali (which is as much as a ripoff as kulathunkal) are very limited , if at all they exist. |
My dad will be driving mostly, and he doesn't go above 85, ever. The only time I've seen him do a 100 was when me and my friends were in the car and prodding him on, on a long empty stretch, in our old Fiat, about ten years ago. And he held that for about two minutes before dropping back to 80.
Indigo has good resale here, especially low mileage models. Second hand dealers are willing to take one off your hands at good prices at any time. Also, I feel that Kulathunkal can't rip off as much as Ford can, because of lower parts prices.
Conversely, Ford has really bad resale. It is perceived as being expensive to maintain, thanks mainly to the Ikon and Kairali Ford. If I decide I want to upgrade later, I won't have to simply take the best offer. As a prospective customer who was in a bidding war for a used Indigo CS (and lost), I know that it's a seller's market for Indigo TDIs.
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Originally Posted by greenhorn I say , drive them both. the difference should be obvious. the indigo CS is a generation behind the Figo. It would have been like buying a premier 137D instead of the indica 10 years ago for the same reasons listed above (cheap, maintenence, sedan etc) |
Good point. That is exactly why I am confused. But to be fair, the Figo too is based on the old Fiesta platform. And it's not cutting edge design either. Also, the Indigo isn't exactly a fifty year old design the 137D was.
But the thing is, the rest of my family feels that only sedans qualify as 'real cars', no matter how much I try to explain that we won't use all that boot space most of the time (reply - "What if we want to bring a jackfruit when we come back, eh?") They also feel that the sedan looks more upmarket. And since we are upgrading from an 800, anything would feel better, I guess.
I test drove both of them today, with a gap of just about three hours, and here's how it went.
The Indigo CS first. The car now comes with the same front end as the regular Indigo, dual chambered headlamps et al. It also has beige interiors, which my Dad and Sis liked. With the beige upholstery, it looks very airy, though the plastics are not very good. The seats are nice, though it was difficult for me to see over the steering, being short. Overall, the interior space is very good, with room to stretch our legs at the back. The AC is very good, and I had to turn down the blower after five minutes.
On the drive, I stalled it twice trying to reverse out of the parking slot, because the lag caught me unawares. I had to work to keep the engine on the boil, and it's OK, but it's not exactly exciting to drive. The boot is enormous, 380 litres. Lots of space in there for a sub, and with space left over for luggage. Dad was satisfied with the car, though he did complain about the ride and the response. We would have to pay 5.1 lacs for the LX version, but we decided to switch to the LS at 4.9 lacs. (includes free insurance)
A couple of calls later to the sales guy at Kairali Ford, and the Figo was available for TD within three hours. First of all, Sis hated the looks. She liked the Indigo, but didn't think much of the hatchback. Dad thought it was too low.
I got in, and immediately noticed the old-school driving position. You have to swing yourself down into the seat, not as easy as the Indigo. Also, the steering was in my lap, and not adjustable at all. My knee was up against the dash after I'd adjusted the seats to my liking. The interiors were of a different level than the Indigo, and everything felt nicely put together. There were a few iffy bits, like the door trim, but mostly, it was fine. But it was all so dark. It felt like I was sitting in a cave, despite the big windows! The headroom is low at the back, and the legroom was also less. Remember, we are short people. No car should be too small for us!
But everything was forgiven as soon as I put the car into gear and started off. I fell in love with the engine and gearbox within ten seconds. The response is incredible, and the engine felt refined and smooth compared to the Tata mill. The low driving position aids in the visibility, and I felt comfortable overtaking even in the rain (not to mention the
properly marked demo car was the TDCi Titanium, with ABS and airbags). The car is a joy to drive.
Dad took his turn in the driver's seat and I got in the back with Sis. He was grinning like a school kid in a minute of taking the wheel. Sis, btw, was still unhappy with the car.
We got back, and got into a discussion about the OTR price, financing, availability etc. We wanted the EXi version, and it was available in 'Chill' shade (golden beige) and one each of Black and Red were also available. Then he dropped the bomb. He couldn't assure immediate delivery unless we paid upfront in cash, and the waiting period was 45 days. Moreover, the price is set to increase by 15K by next month. Obviously, there are no freebies of any kind, and he couldn't assure any kind of good price for my M800.
Now this is a harder decision. If we wait for 45 days, and pay 15K extra, then we get a fun car. On the other hand, the Indigo is available immediately, has a 13.6K offer for free insurance, we will get a good exchange price and some freebies. Head vs heart?
If we go for the Indigo LS, then the price difference is 52K (24K+ for LX, 13K+ free insurance, 15K+ price hike) Sis hates the Figo, says it's cramped and that she's had enough of hatches. Dad and I are OK with the boot space, because we feel that what is lost in depth is made up in height. Sis doesn't drive, so she doesn't care about the engine.
So, in this moment of heady confusion, I upped the ante with these words - "What about the Vista Quadrajet?" - Good interiors, cheaper than both the cars, available with a discount, has the national engine, has great interiors, and it more modern than the old Fiesta the Figo is based on. But that will have to wait for later, because it's already after 5:40 pm.
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Originally Posted by greenhorn read my long term ownership thread. should give you a fair idea about the ownership costs of the indigo (I've documented each and every bill). |
I couldn't find your Indigo thread, but I did go through your Indica Turbo thread. They have a lot of the same parts, so I feel you've given a good idea on the caveats of owning a first gen Tata.