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Maruti Baleno RS recalled over a defective brake part

7,213 units of the Baleno RS manufactured between October 27, 2016, and November 1, 2019, are affected by this recall.

Maruti Suzuki has recalled over 7,000 units of the Baleno RS sold in India over a defective brake part.

According to the carmaker, 7,213 units of the Baleno RS manufactured between October 27, 2016, and November 1, 2019, are affected by this recall. The cars are said to have a possible defect in the vacuum pump.

The vacuum pump assists the brake function. Affected vehicles may require increased effort in brake pedal application.

Maruti Suzuki dealers will reach out to owners of the affected vehicles for the replacement of defective parts. The parts will be replaced free of cost.

 

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Spent 6.70 lakh on my Maruti Baleno RS for an audio upgrade

it's hard to put sound into words, but this setup makes you feel so connected to the music. I simply love it, the tuning made a HUGE difference.

BHPian ROG_AK recently shared this with other enthusiasts.

The quest for better audio is something I'm sure most of us yearn for, me being no exception to that. Although I wouldn't classify myself as a hard-core audiophile, I do enjoy good clean audio. This led me on a journey to fulfil my desires and in the end finally say 'I'm done with audio.'

It all started back in 2018 when the first set of upgrades was done (more details can be found here). Just to summarize the changes:

  • 3M damping on all 4 doors
  • Polk Audio DB6501 components in the front
  • Polk Audio DB522 coaxial in the rear
  • Pioneer GM-A6704 4-channel amplifier
  • Pioneer TS-SW3002S4 12" shallow mount subwoofer in an enclosed box
  • Stock HU

In this setup, the front components were driven by the amp while the rear was powered by the HU. The other 2 channels on the amp were bridged to power the subwoofer. Stock wiring was retained, and no high-low converter was used.

I had no clue about car audio installation during this time and relied on the installer completely. As it turned out, the installer was absolute trash (something I found out later)

Although it was much better than stock, it just didn't sound right. The highs were tinny, mids muddled with vocals and the sub could be heard but not felt. It was also just not playing some of the lower frequencies. The audio also used to cut off now and then, while people in the rear complained that the bass was overpowering and couldn't hear the music clearly.

I ran with the setup for a while and tried to find a proper installer in the meantime, someone whom I can really trust to get things done and not just do it for the money. As luck would have it, I stumbled upon an old high school friend who is in the auto industry. Jackpot! I didn't have to worry about getting cheated and ripped off for anything related to cars anymore!! I spoke to him at length about car audio and he got an expert (Raghu) along to help. The first step was to assess the damage:

Removing the so-called 3M damping. The only useful thing is those metal plate:

The crossovers were placed inside the door. This explains why the audio used to cut off, it got wet. Luckily nothing shorted:

Tapping the wire:

Well, it was time to start fixing things. First up, damping! The plan was to damp all 4 doors and the boot. Raghu was meticulous with his process and took about an entire working day to get it done. He decided to use Dr Artex Iridum medium with a thickness of 2.0mm. The damping was done on the interior and exterior of the door, it took about 12 sheets:

Damping inside:

Damping inside the boot lid:

Damping outside:

Damping outside the boot lid:

During this process, we realized that the rear speakers (DB522) were only 5.25" and it would be better to have 6.5" speakers instead (another noob thing I did not realize during the initial installation). This is probably why the rear fill was lacking. They had to be replaced and were done so by the Polk DB651, which should complement the front perfectly.

The smaller 5.25" DB522:

Replaced by the proper 6.5" DB651:

Right, with the speakers and damping sorted, things should sound better. It did, the sound was clearer and had better separation. It still didn't feel balanced though, it's hard to put into words but it felt lacking. Raghu suggested replacing the HU with a Pioneer one, I wasn't ready to shell out so much (at the time) and I wanted to maintain the stock look. The next best thing would be a DSP according to him, my idea of a high-low converter was swiftly dismissed by the claims that it would not help much in terms of SQ. DSP it is then! We decided to add the Pioneer DEQ-S1000A to help fine-tune the sound and improve the overall SQ. A consequence of this would be that all 4 channels of the AMP are needed for the speakers and the sub is left out in the cold. A mono block was needed and came in the form of the JBL Club 5501 and it would also run off the DSP.

A bit of extra wiring was needed running from the DSP to the AMPs. The speaker wires were not changed and didn't need to be, according to Raghu. The previous installer had cut the main harness to the HU and that also needed fixing. A tedious and time-consuming process.

WIP:

Continue reading on BHPian ROG_AK's audio upgrade on his Baleno RS for BHPian comments, insights and more information.

 

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Gave my Maruti Baleno RS a high end JL Audio ICE upgrade

it's hard to put sound into words, but this setup makes you feel so connected to the music. I simply love it, the tuning made a HUGE difference.

BHPian ROG_AK recently shared this with other enthusiasts.

The quest for better audio is something I'm sure most of us yearn for, me being no exception to that. Although I wouldn't classify myself as a hard-core audiophile, I do enjoy good clean audio. This led me on a journey to fulfil my desires and in the end finally say 'I'm done with audio.'

It all started back in 2018 when the first set of upgrades was done (more details can be found here). Just to summarize the changes:

  • 3M damping on all 4 doors
  • Polk Audio DB6501 components in the front
  • Polk Audio DB522 coaxial in the rear
  • Pioneer GM-A6704 4-channel amplifier
  • Pioneer TS-SW3002S4 12" shallow mount subwoofer in an enclosed box
  • Stock HU

In this setup, the front components were driven by the amp while the rear was powered by the HU. The other 2 channels on the amp were bridged to power the subwoofer. Stock wiring was retained, and no high-low converter was used.

I had no clue about car audio installation during this time and relied on the installer completely. As it turned out, the installer was absolute trash (something I found out later)

Although it was much better than stock, it just didn't sound right. The highs were tinny, mids muddled with vocals and the sub could be heard but not felt. It was also just not playing some of the lower frequencies. The audio also used to cut off now and then, while people in the rear complained that the bass was overpowering and couldn't hear the music clearly.

I ran with the setup for a while and tried to find a proper installer in the meantime, someone whom I can really trust to get things done and not just do it for the money. As luck would have it, I stumbled upon an old high school friend who is in the auto industry. Jackpot! I didn't have to worry about getting cheated and ripped off for anything related to cars anymore!! I spoke to him at length about car audio and he got an expert (Raghu) along to help. The first step was to assess the damage:

Removing the so-called 3M damping. The only useful thing is those metal plate:

The crossovers were placed inside the door. This explains why the audio used to cut off, it got wet. Luckily nothing shorted:

Tapping the wire:

Well, it was time to start fixing things. First up, damping! The plan was to damp all 4 doors and the boot. Raghu was meticulous with his process and took about an entire working day to get it done. He decided to use Dr Artex Iridum medium with a thickness of 2.0mm. The damping was done on the interior and exterior of the door, it took about 12 sheets:

Damping inside:

Damping inside the boot lid:

Damping outside:

Damping outside the boot lid:

During this process, we realized that the rear speakers (DB522) were only 5.25" and it would be better to have 6.5" speakers instead (another noob thing I did not realize during the initial installation). This is probably why the rear fill was lacking. They had to be replaced and were done so by the Polk DB651, which should complement the front perfectly.

The smaller 5.25" DB522:

Replaced by the proper 6.5" DB651:

Right, with the speakers and damping sorted, things should sound better. It did, the sound was clearer and had better separation. It still didn't feel balanced though, it's hard to put into words but it felt lacking. Raghu suggested replacing the HU with a Pioneer one, I wasn't ready to shell out so much (at the time) and I wanted to maintain the stock look. The next best thing would be a DSP according to him, my idea of a high-low converter was swiftly dismissed by the claims that it would not help much in terms of SQ. DSP it is then! We decided to add the Pioneer DEQ-S1000A to help fine-tune the sound and improve the overall SQ. A consequence of this would be that all 4 channels of the AMP are needed for the speakers and the sub is left out in the cold. A mono block was needed and came in the form of the JBL Club 5501 and it would also run off the DSP.

A bit of extra wiring was needed running from the DSP to the AMPs. The speaker wires were not changed and didn't need to be, according to Raghu. The previous installer had cut the main harness to the HU and that also needed fixing. A tedious and time-consuming process.

WIP:

Continue reading on BHPian ROG_AK's audio upgrade on his Baleno RS for BHPian comments, insights and more information.

 

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Maruti Baleno RS vs Ford Freestyle: Which car to keep, which to sell

Whichever car I decide to keep, it has to serve us for at least the next 3 years by which time I'm assuming there will be multiple viable EV options to chose from.

BHPian S2K recently shared this with other enthusiasts.

Hello everyone,

I will be in a position in few months where I will have to decide which one car, from the two we have in the family, should I keep and let the other one go.

The choice is between a 2017 MS Baleno RS and 2020 BS6 Ford FreeStyle Titanium+ petrol. We will have to let one of these cars go as we get a new one in the latter half of the year.

Background on the cars:

Baleno RS:

  • The car was bought in Diwali of 2017 and later this year will complete 5 years. There is no extended warranty coverage on the car at this point of time.
  • The Baleno RS was my dad's daily use car and for a few years, was also the only car in the house, which meant it was also used for periodic highway trips mostly between Mumbai, Pune, Nasik and Raigad.
  • With this kind of running, we have already put up about 40k KM on the odometer.
  • The car has been maintained well wrt all the prescribed servicing being done from MASS on time.
  • There have been some minor but multiple accidents like an auto bashing against the door and fender, or a cow jumping in front of the car on highway and damaging the bumper, etc. All of this has however been rectified by bringing the sheet metal in shape and have not replaced any sheet metal.
  • Mostly used by my dad, and while he is a smooth driver, he does get impatient at times and does end up driving aggressively for a couple of minutes or so, and so the car has seen its fair share of high speed bumps over potholes or speed-breakers, roadside driving and also some aggressive braking.

Ford FreeStyle:

  • The car was bought in December 2020 during the pandemic as I needed to start working from office on daily basis.
  • Primary reasons for buying Freestyle over other cars were the good driving dynamics, better build quality than other cars in the same segment, better pricing, sort of novelty factor(since not many other Freestyle are visible on roads), and the increased ground clearance as well since I had to frequently travel to a couple of places with not so good road conditions.
  • The car that I bought was the demo unit for the BS6 launch that was manufactured in March 2020 but since the showrooms were closed for quite long time due to lockdown, it was not that used. However, the car still had 5k KMs on the odometer already. I decided to get it because I got discounts to the tune of 1.25L on the car and despite all the run, neither the dealer tried to hide it or tamper with the odometer nor did the car seemed damaged or worked on. Got it checked by multiple independent mechanics and also used some trusted insider sources at the dealer and they assured that car had been treated fairly.
  • In a span of one and half years, the car has clocked in more than 11k KMs since the purchase and the odometer reading stands at 16k+ KMs as of now.
  • The car is being used as my daily drive within city as well as for frequent intercity trips (between Mumbai-Nashik-Pune). It has also been on a couple of road trips, to the Konkan region and to Goa as well. The car easily tackled the bad roads, handled some off-road situations (where the road was completely washed away, higher GC helped), cruised quite effortlessly on the smooth roads and kept everyone cool and comfortable even on hot days with 5 adults on board.

Pros and cons for each car:

Baleno - Pros:

  • The car is spacious. Very much so when compared to FS. Sitting 5 adults is a normal affair in Baleno with all 5 being comfortable on a long ride. With Freestyle, 4 adults can seat comfortably but getting in the 5th one will affect the rear sit comfort. In any case, Baleno has a clear advantage here.
  • The comfort that the MS badge provides in terms of service options, parts and accessories availability and a not very high pricing on them
  • The infotainment system supports Apple Carplay, which is of high use when going to new places within city or in new cities.
  • The ride comfort of the car is good, when compared to FS since on FS, the suspension can sometimes feel a tad stiffer for the Indian city roads.

Baleno - Cons:

  • Baleno is very common on the road. The minor visible differentiation and badging the car RS does not help at all. A fish in the sea.
  • Despite being badged the RS, the handling is nowhere close to how the FS drives. Neither is the engine sporty, despite being turbo-charged, nor is the steering feel and cornering as enjoyable. (I still have limited driving experience on RS and going to try it out more in next few weeks).
  • The interior feels dated, with the build, look and feel of all components inside seeming to be of lesser quality when compared to FS.
  • Even though its an MS machine, the 1L Booster Jet didn't sell much, and repairs and maintenance can prove to be expensive if any need arises.
  • On the safety front, the Baleno lacks totally with just 2 airbags, not a very strong build, and no active safety features as well.
  • The music system is not at all impressive and if I have to use it as my primary car, I will have to upgrade at least the speaker system to something that has enough balance and loudness.
  • With the recent intercity drives and the advent of speed cams, I've come to realize the use of cruise control and it is sorely missing in this vehicle. There are external mods available, but not sure of compatibility and reliability of those.
  • There is no warranty coverage for the car and the car being 5 years old entails some extra maintenance and replacement, that might lead to higher ownership costs.

FreeStyle - Pros:

  • The ride and handling of the car is just great and gives a driving pleasure that Baleno is not even remotely able to.
  • The build quality of the vehicle, both exterior and interior, is definitely better and confidence inspiring.
  • The active and passive safety kit on the car is good with traction control, corner stability control, anti rollover protection hill-start assist, and 6 airbags.
  • The car stands out the in the crowd and is an underrated beauty. She looks cute when you want her to be cute, she looks hot when you want her to be hot. The silhouette of the car is one of the best looking ones in the market I feel. Just looking at her puts a smile on my face, sometimes a huge grin. (Yes, I'm definitely in love with her!)
  • Ford's servicing till now (1 before and 1 after Ford's exit) has been reliable, inexpensive and assuring. The best service experience I've had with any brand.
  • The car has be handled, maintained and treated very well and no stones have been left upturned whenever something has felt off.
  • The audio system in the car satisfies my car audio needs for now and I don't feel like it needs to be upgraded.
  • The car is under extended warranty for next 3 years, though I have some doubts about it due to Ford's exit.

FreeStyle - Cons:

  • The largest disadvantage that FS has is the interior space. When compared to Baleno, FS lacks considerably. Be it the read seats, the headroom or even the boot space. The Baleno has a very clear advantage in this department. FS works well with 4, not so well with 5, but just barely manageable.
  • Ford's exit has put some pressure on the service experience and from the instances I've come across from people online, the service experience has become slightly slower and slightly expensive than before though the service quality has not been affected. This might lead to expensive repair or maintenance work ahead with the risk of the car being at SC for longer than expected duration.
  • The infotainment on the FS does not support Android Auto/Apple CarPlay and my current work around is sticking my phone on dashboard, but sometimes, it does seem to be a little cumbersome.
  • Cruise control is missing in FS too. Again mods are available but not sure of the reliability and its effect on warranty/insurance.
  • Ford's exit. Mentioning second time, because while everything has been good and great till now, I am worried if it still stays the same afterwards as well.

Some other factors:

  • FS is my first personal vehicle that I bought with my own money and I've grown more attached to it than anything else (my girlfriend even jokes on how I care more about the car than about her). So emotions are high and I will need some hard convincing of myself if I have to let her go.
  • The girlfriend mentioned above is soon going to be my wife and we have a travel list which, if its only both of us, will be easily traveled in the FS. If either set of parents get involved in any plan, Baleno will offer more comfort, for sure.
  • Whichever car I decide to keep, it has to serve us for at least the next 3 years by which time I'm assuming there will be multiple viable EV options to chose from. There's a very high chance that my next car will be an EV and I might even delay that purchase if there are no good options available in the market.
  • The daily running costs for both the vehicles are almost same with both offering about 13kmpl mileage in the city and 19-20kmpl mileage on the highways. So none of them have any advantage with respect to the running costs.
  • While running costs are not a major concern right now (I am somehow managing the dent of increased fuel prices on my finances), if the fuel costs get high enough that it becomes a no-brainer to use an EV, I will jump to the EV sooner than I mentioned.

I would request the more experienced and knowledgeable forum members to share some advice and guide me on which vehicle to keep based on the above points and also some other points I should think about but haven't.

Thanks,

Sanket.

Here's what GTO had to say on the matter:

Both cars are good and have a lot of life left in them. First things first, you are selling & changing cars too early. Two threads you just have to read:

5 year old car: Keep, sell, swap?

How a more expensive car can work out cheaper

To answer the thread question, between the two, I would keep the car that makes me smile more. In your case, it is clearly the Freestyle, so retain that. You'll get good money for the Baleno as there is a used car supply crunch currently. On the other hand, your Freestyle will suffer a major depreciation hit today...and so will it 4 years from now (because of the Ford exit). Your warranty will ensure a fuss-free ownership.

Ford will continue to support your car. And there are enough Figos, Freestyles & Aspires on the road for the after-market to as well.

Here's what BHPian nvldvr had to say on the matter:

For me, it's a no brainer. I will any day keep the much safer / better built freestyle with 6 air bags, over the Baleno any day. I will not look beyond this, if I were to decide which car to keep.

Here's what BHPian livetodrive had to say on the matter:

Hi S2K, your concern regarding Fords exit is valid. In 2020, I booked FS along with my friend and in June Ford bumped the price up by 50K which my friend was ready to absorb but not me. During same time I persuaded another friend to buy the EcoSport diesel over the Brezza and he listened to me.


After Fords exit, I felt sorry for both of them and I keep checking on them if they have any trouble with service. I know hardly I can contribute if they are dissatisfied customers. Still I feel if I had not persuaded them so much to buy Ford , they would be in much mental peace.

However I can see they are very happy Ford owners till date. Both of them keep appreciating great diesel mileage, strong build and comfort of co-passengers in long drives.

It's hard to say if Fords service quality will deteriorate in future. But considering your current observations and the inputs from my friends I feel keeping the Ford will be a good decision.

Thanks.

Here's what BHPian Voodooblaster had to say on the matter:

Why selling the Freestyle is a bad idea :

  • Cars take a massive depreciation hit in the first year (after road tax and the 3 year insurance is factored in).
  • Since you had purchased a demo car, I am assuming that RTO records will show you as the 2nd owner. Higher the no of owners, lower the resale value.
  • Compared to Ecosport, Freestyle was less popular and sales numbers were poor. Again, lower resale value.
  • The elephant in the room: Ford's exit has dampened the resale value.
  • You enjoy driving Freestyle more than Baleno.
  • Safer car.
  • Most Important: It tugs at your heart.

Why selling the Baleno is a good idea :

  • Has a higher resale value (MSIL+Baleno combination).
  • Since you mentioned some aggressive driving, it'll not age very well. (May need early suspension and related parts).
  • Has lesser safety features than the Freestyle.
  • Taking a bigger rental car (Innova , Marazzo, Ertiga etc) for your combined family trips is a better option. You can enjoy a different car.
  • Finally, I would advise against installation of cruise control from 3rd party vendors. It may void warranty, and there are safety risks involved.

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