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Old 5th October 2011, 06:17   #121
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Maruti Suzuki goes swift on production!

"This will help us increase the output of Swift to 17,000 units a month from our historical highs of 12,000 units a month," a senior Maruti Suzuki official told ET. The company will also resume normal production of SX4 and A-star models.
With increased supplies, Maruti Suzuki expects to reduce the waiting time by at least a couple of months for Swift, which has got bookings of 1,08,000 units. The current waiting period for the hatchback is eight to nine months."

http://http://economictimes.indiatim...w/10225610.cms

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Well, suzuki holds 54 % . so naturally that much share of the profits are going there. add to that royalty MSIL is paying to them big time.
Every payment and repartriation of money to a foreign country, earned by any entity especially multinationals are governed by Company Laws and Foreign Exchange laws in vogue.
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Un fortunately management courses are taught in air conditioned class rooms and give zero in sight into what labor is going through. Has anybody thought why they don't have such unrest in gurgaon ???
You are wrong. Management projects as a part of the curriculum are done by students who are sent to work in companies. You seem to be totally unaware of facts. Academicians and management experts, who are engaged as management consultants during some impending trouble of any nature in an industry slog it out with the workers, labour unions and also the management. All the groups are thereafter brought together under one roof and the issues settled by threadbare discussions and negotiations.

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Where did i mention honda / hero or other ancillary unit for that matter.
As you were labelling Suzuki as the one at fault, I have cited companies by their names, where there is or was also lots of labour problems and these are located in the same belt.
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Apart from dividend, I think they must be skimming the cream in the name of royalty. And don't forget they are the majority stake holders now.
Please do not go by beliefs and weird assumptions. The country has hundreds of news reporters who are on their jobs all the while. Any such news about "skimming the cream etc" by foreign companies which you and your some others believe in, would have made news headlines, forcing the multinationals to answer such allegations. There are no such news reports anywhere.These are unauthenticated and baseless assumptions.Our Company and Foreign Exchange laws are quite tough to deal with any such wrong doer.

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Buddy, your understanding of management seems very different. I am not sure of the policies of your current org or in-depth details of Maruti Udyog's policies and procedures - however, there is a definitive reason for implementing a set schedule and a strong reasoning why employees are expected to adhere to it. I am not sure if you aware of capacity and headcount planning - it is done considering the required output in mind viz. available resources.

I have been working night shifts since last over 10 years of my career. I'd love the opportunity to spend my 10 hours during the day time - or whatever time suits me as long as it gets the job done.

There are very clear labor laws on over time defined by every state which I am sure the infamous worker union is well aware of, and needless to mention, there are legal complications attached to it - even in my org.

Somewhere above someone talked about workers dedicating their lives to the same org and not considering the better options available elsewhere - well, if they were so inclined on day one, where has all the commitment gone? Being an employee myself, I prefer aligning my goals to my organization's goals and keep the bigger picture in mind.

Similarly, Maruti would not have accepted such huge amount of bookings if they didn't expect their workers to work diligently and give the desired output. I am sure these workers have grown a lot professionally since the times of Maruti 800 - in the end, everyone wins - some monetarily and some professionally [experience].

It isn't exactly a cakewalk to run an org where employees threaten to go on a strike every now and then. If Maruti had to set an example by firing a few, it was right. Did you not read that quite a few workers actually signed the 'code of good conduct'? - what had gotten them? I am sure it couldn't have been the 'work is worship' proverb.

If they think going on a strike solves problems or sabotaging the quality does - it reflects sheer immaturity on their part. There are a lot of educated engineers out there waiting for companies like Maruti to hire them, lots.
Thanks zzzeshar for your explanations.As I said, it is a two way problem both with the management and the labour unions down there.

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It would be extremely foolish on Maruti's part to gather publicity via such a comment - didn't happen.
I am sure MSIL will lose customers, if it on its own without any valid evidence or reason engages in such a self destructing, smear campaign about quality of its own products from Manesar.
And lastly not only MSIL but most companies in this belt engage contract workers. There are the Labour laws, Industrial Disputes Act and the Workmen s Compensation Act, which are again abided to, in such cases by the industries. All alleged unfair labour practices can be the subject matter of a law suit to restrain the wrong doers.

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Our Company and Foreign Exchange laws are quite tough to deal with any such wrong doer.
Tell me about it! In my time, I have seen some corporate practices and accounting sleights of hand which can give even bonafide crooks an inferiority complex!

I had earlier posted an incident that happened in the late 90's, involving MSIL and the two Korean majors. I will locate and PM the link to you!
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Don't know how true this, but reports of some strife again.

Production halts at Maruti’s Manesar plant on renewed labour strike | Firstpost

@anjan - Given the way our courts operate, do you think laws and lawsuits will work here? Regarding the royalties, its not only the analysts - even Khattar has accepted the fact that royalties have increased, but to be fair he also claimed that it can be due to initial lower payments also. The confusing part is that Govt removed the 5% cap on royalty only recently - so I am not able to believe that initial payments would have been less as at the time of initial payment company would have been aware of the 5% limit. The problem here is that since Suzuki is a majority shareholder in MSIL, there is a conflict of interest when MSIL pays royalty to Suzuki.

Btw I have nothing against Maruti, M800 is something that has given us so much joy and I am looking at A-star. But I do believe that Suzuki is not playing it fair here - be it royalties or handling labour issues.
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Don't know how true this, but reports of some strife again.

Production halts at Marutiís Manesar plant on renewed labour strike | Firstpost

Very much true Partha.

Maruti Manesar plant workers strike once again - The Times of India

God help people like me waiting to get delivery of the New Swift.
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So Our worst fears of arm twisting has come true as workers are again on strike from today . clearly Some thing is fishy in MSIL

Maruti Manesar plant workers strike once again - The Times of India
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GURGAON: Over 800 regular workers at the Maruti Manesar plant have again declared a stir on Friday protesting the management's refusal to take back casual labourers back to work.

The Manesar plant has been joined by labourers from adjoining companies like Powretrain, Lumax, Satyam Auto, etc.

The fresh strikes comes just days after Maruti said a month-long strike at the Manesar plant that cost the company huge losses.

Maruti is 54.2 per cent owned by Japan's Suzuki Motor.
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Oh boy, there's a strike again!

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Over 800 regular workers at the Maruti Manesar plant have again declared a stir on Friday protesting the management's refusal to take back casual labourers back to work.
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The Manesar plant has been joined by labourers from adjoining companies like Powretrain, Lumax, Satyam Auto, etc.
Maruti Manesar plant workers strike once again - The Times of India

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A different take on the ongoing tussle.
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Fighting for dignity
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Frontline! That's the typical The Hindu pseudo-socialist, pseudo-secularist reporting.. all they want is the pre-90's license raj when they were allowed (along with India Today) to import quality newsprint, color presses and DTP systems, and all other applicants were summarily rejected.

In 1989-90, Kerala's Malayala Manorama applied for permit to import a drum scanner from USA; nothing materialised, even after the venerable P C Alexander tried "push" the file. Finally they bought a second hand scanner from The Hindu in 1993.
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looks like MSIL is in for a long haul here. situation has escalated IMO with more sacking of workers

Maruti sacks 15 and suspends 10 at Manesar Plant; 'rescues' 100 workers 'held under duress' - The Economic Times
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It is just getting uglier.

Maruti workers seize control of Manesar plant wracked by unrest - The Economic Times

What a terrible time for this issue to have cropped up; Swift had a great opportunity to hit a home run for MS and the way the strike is going, I don't see many people bothering to wait more than 6 months for the car.

There is always much more to something than what meets the eye so I wouldn't want to say either of the parties are correct in their stand but the end result is disastrous for MS and hence for the workers.

I've a bad feeling something very radical might just happen; either the workers will go on a rampage or MS will royally screw the workers. A "compromise" doesn't seem to be the solution here.

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Frontline! That's the typical The Hindu pseudo-socialist, pseudo-secularist reporting...
Sandeep, I would just pose a question to you. If tomorrow your employer says that sign a bond and then only enter the office. Will you sign it? and suppose you sign it, then one day there are differences on a minor matter and the employer throws you out that very day citing the good conduct bond?

Living in fear - be it for a professional or for a worker - is difficult. It is against human tendency.

I am not saying the workers are correct. But it is not that they are completely wrong. We may be worried about the delivery of our car, but the worker is worried about his job and livelihood and yet he is protesting. I am sure he would have some reasons. Let is look at both sides.

And there is socialism or capitalism, it doesn't matter. The rot in Indian industry ( leave aside software) is very much there. Permit raj is gone but he Inspector raj is very much there.



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It is just getting uglier.

Maruti workers seize control of Manesar plant wracked by unrest - The Economic Times

What a terrible time for this issue to have cropped up; Swift had a great opportunity to hit a home run for MS and the way the strike is going, I don't see many people bothering to wait more than 6 months for the car.

There is always much more to something than what meets the eye so I wouldn't want to say either of the parties are correct in their stand but the end result is disastrous for MS and hence for the workers.

I've a bad feeling something very radical might just happen; either the workers will go on a rampage or MS will royally screw the workers. A "compromise" doesn't seem to be the solution here.

Libranof1987, I agree with you that if the company loses then both the management and the workers lose together. So, they win together and they lose together. Very often its the clash of egos which acts as a flash point. The anger would have been simmering for years.

Somehow, in all the limelight of India Shining the focus on core issues of labour reforms has been lost. If manufacturing needs to be growth engine then these issues need to be addressed.
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Sandeep, I would just pose a question to you. If tomorrow your employer says that sign a bond and then only enter the office
I am an employer and not an employee. I run my business in a state (Kerala) which has India's most volatile trade union environment. IMO no sane employer will ask his employees to sign contracts with absurd conditions unless he is forced to protect his interests.


That said, totally agree with your Inspector Raj thoughts.

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I am an employer and not an employee.
Employer in Kerala Now I can relate to your comments on psuedo-socialism. I had witnessed few instance of militant trade unionsim in Kerala. A CEO of a sick company once told me that entire union would come and sit in his cabin on 1st of every month to demand salary. Even when he would be short of cash. But he would pay workers from money kept for materials just to ensure that they would vacate his cabin and let him go home. No wonder company was in downward sprial.

Enough of digression on the topic. Lets hope that the face off ends soon.

If this continues for few weeks more, Maruti may not get a chance to recover from lost sales of a festive season.
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Frontline! That's the typical The Hindu pseudo-socialist, pseudo-secularist reporting..
We need a balance of two opposing forces, forces of capitalism and socialism. Going the whole way in one direction is a sure shot way to hell. Just look at USA and USSR. We saw what happened when we stuck to socialism and licence raj : Hindu rate of growth.
And we are seeing what is happening now when capitalist Manmohan and the company are left to run amok. 2G, CWG, Bellary, Paid news etc etc.

Balance is the keyword.

And yes there is more bad news from Maruti.

Striking workers seize control of Maruti Manesar factory - The Times of India

Looks like Gujrat is all set to get one more industrial unit.
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