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Old 13th November 2012, 22:18   #781
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Some cars from the Kotah palace are seen in this programme, including a Mercedes Ponton and a seemingly very original Buick Tourer.
Ironically I'd been to Umedh Bhavan so many times while at Jodhpur where we had lived in the late 80s. But never got to see a single classic of the Royals there! :(
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Old 22nd January 2013, 06:06   #782
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Default Maharaja Delahaye 135MS Coupe

Does anyone know about this Delahaye ? From a For Sale ad, 1964

Looks like it escaped in the early 1960's through a U.S.Diplomat / Greece!

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Car life - Volume 11 - Page 83 1964

DELAHAYE 135MS coupe. ... maharajah. Rare- ' driven. New silver-ivory finish, blue leather up- 3l>t«-r> . 85000 f.o.b. Athens. Robt. Cilkey, Ameri- in Embassy ...
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85000 what ? Couldn't have been that many U.S. $ in 1964

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Does anyone know about this Delahaye ? From a For Sale ad, 1964

Looks like it escaped in the early 1960's through a U.S.Diplomat / Greece!

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Car life - Volume 11 - Page 83 1964

DELAHAYE 135MS coupe. ... maharajah. Rare- ' driven. New silver-ivory finish, blue leather up- 3l>t«-r> . 85000 f.o.b. Athens. Robt. Cilkey, Ameri- in Embassy ...
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85000 what ? Couldn't have been that many U.S. $ in 1964
Snap of the car ? Any link on the car details
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Snap of the car ? Any link on the car details
Unfortunately not. Looks like a classified advertisement in a magazine. Was the Mysore car a 135 MS ? That is the only coupe I can think of.
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The Jodhpur car was from Akalkot later owned by a Paigah nobleman. Azamjah's car may have been the following one
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Unfortunately not. Looks like a classified advertisement in a magazine. Was the Mysore car a 135 MS ? That is the only coupe I can think of.
The Mysore car was the later 175 MS V12.

DKG there is no conclusive evidence that Azam Jah had one of these cars, the only one to be seen in Hyd was the Paigah car

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there is no conclusive evidence that Azam Jah had one of these cars, the only one to be seen in Hyd was the Paigah car
There are atleast two versions that state that Mr Jourde who originally bought the car sold it to a Prince "Morvi Jah" or "Berar Mukkaran". from this I assume its Azamjah's. If it weren't for the possibility of Azamjah's owning it why would the words Jah and Berar crop up?
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There are atleast two versions that state that Mr Jourde who originally bought the car sold it to a Prince "Morvi Jah" or "Berar Mukkaran". from this I assume its Azamjah's. If it weren't for the possibility of Azamjah's owning it why would the words Jah and Berar crop up?

Here is the info on the car courtesy the Mullin Automotive Museum (Peter Mullins) Collection:

1937 Delahaye Type 135-M Cabriolet

FORMERLY THE PROPERTY OF CASIMIR JOURDE, AND
PRINCE DE BERAE MUKARRAN JAH

THIS DELAHAYE was ordered by well-known explorer and businessman Casimir Jourde, a devotee of streamlined styling and a personal friend of Joseph Figoni. Painted red, it was one of eleven cars built in the Paris Auto Salon series between 1936 and 1939. Today, it is one of three surviving cars built on the standard wheelbase. In 1939, the car was shipped to Bombay, where Jourde had business interests and where his car created quite a stir.
Jourde’s sold his Delahaye to Prince de Berae Mukarran Jah soon after his arrival in Bombay. The Prince sold it many years later to an unknown party and the car fell from sight and into neglect. When discovered in 1982 it was sitting on wooden blocks in a garden shed in Jodhpur. An English dealer bought it in the mid-1980s and undertook its complete restoration. The original front end coachwork had been changed in India, where the flush-mounted headlights were removed and replaced by externally mounted lights. The English dealer did not realize that alterations had been made, so the car was mistakenly restored as found. The interior was also redone with the help of vintage photographs.
In 1989, following restoration, the car was shown at numerous concours and recognized with awards. Peter Mullin purchased this Delahaye after the 2002 Pebble Beach Concours d’Elegance. In 2006, the car underwent a final restoration with the guidance of Claude Figoni.

SPEC OVERVIEW:
Coachbuilder Figoni & Falaschi Carrossiers
Chassis No. 49150
Production No. The 9th built in the Paris Salon series of 11 cars
Engine No. 49150
Inline Six-Cylinder Engine
130 BHP At 4,000 RPM
3,557 CC
Overhead Valve
4-Speed Cotal Pre-Selector Gearbox
Independent Front, Transverse Leaf Spring with Upper Control Arms and Lever Action Shock Absorbers.
Live Rear Axle with Semi-Elliptical Leaf Springs and Lever Action Shock Absorbers
4-Wheel Cable-Operated Drum Brakes

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I came accross this picture on the French Gallica site.
It depicts a 1919 Grégoire at the Paris Motor Show of that year.
Interesting detail to see that it was sold to the Maharajah of Kapurthala.How rich were the Maharajas before Independence! Cars of the Maharajas-gregoirekapurthala1.jpg

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I came accross this picture on the French Gallica site.
It depicts a 1919 Gregoire at the Paris Motor Show of that year.
Interesting detail to see that it was sold to the Maharajah of Kapurthala.
Thank you very much for sharing Boybentley. Amazing details. Imagine there was a dealership in India for this relatively small manufacturer! I wonder if Pearey was actually Pyare and if they were dealers for other manufacturers as well?

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Automobiles Grégoire was a French car manufacturer, established in 1902, that operated for about twenty years in the early 20th century. The company was the creation of Pierre Joseph Grégoire (1876 - 1962).
Source : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automobiles_Gr%C3%A9goire

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.... It depicts a 1919 Grégoire at the Paris Motor Show of that year. Interesting detail to see that it was sold to the Maharajah of Kapurthala.
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............... Imagine there was a dealership in India for this relatively small manufacturer! I wonder if Pearey was actually Pyare and if they were dealers for other manufacturers as well?.............Cheers KPS
Lovely picture, so clear!
Pearey Lal is a dealership probably still existing, did they not have a Nabha Bentley with them? Later they were Amby dealers.
I don't think that all manufacturers had dealerships in India, some sold to general dealers. Pearey Lal also had that famous veteran Oldsmobile, now in a private collection.
There are many makes in India where only very few cars came into India, and this is probably one of them.
Again, lovely picture

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I came accross this picture on the French Gallica site.
It depicts a 1919 Grégoire at the Paris Motor Show of that year.
Interesting detail to see that it was sold to the Maharajah of Kapurthala.
This is an interesting snap . Is this car a Pierce Arrow or a Hotchkiss and great clarity

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This is an interesting snap . Is this car a Pierce Arrow or a Hotchkiss . Does not look like what's claimed

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This is an interesting snap . Is this car a Pierce Arrow or a Hotchkiss . Does not look like what's claimed

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Its a Gregoire. The Maharajah of Kapurthala was very partial to all things French !
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This is an interesting snap . Is this car a Pierce Arrow or a Hotchkiss . Does not look like what's claimed

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Its a Gregoire. The Maharajah of Kapurthala was very partial to all things French ![/quote]

Grégoire prduction was stopped and factory closed down in mid-1920s. Latter on there were few Hotchkiss-Grégoire model cars.

As you are probably aware Grégoire is credited with the "practical front wheel drive" which in principle are there in even modern front wheel drives. They are called the Tracta joint, if I am not mistaken

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