[tsk1979]

Originally Posted by rlakhanpal

Excellent account TSK. You should seriously consider writing as a career option.

The Micra is built tough. Just back from a weekend trip to Mt. Abu, and the car was surely comfortable. Easy Ingress/Egress, sufficient space (One of the passengers was 6'2" and he had no travel fatigue).

We managed to slip the car off the road while taking a U-turn and in the rain there was no traction to get it back up. After a major circus of trying to put rocks to make a ramp, 10-people trying to lift the front, etc, we tried to push it totally off the road and onto a kuchha track. Pushed the car off the road with the underbody scraping the edge, but there was no evidence of any kind of scratch when we checked later.

The boot space was enough to carry 6-7 backpacks and a bit more.

Braking didnt seem to be a problem, and high speed stability was awesome.

Good to see an owners opinion.
I have a few queries
1. Do you drive a diesel micra? Whats the FE
2. How many kms have you done
3. Do you need to take it to workshop for checkup every 5000kms?
4. Your service expenses including parts and labor?
5. Whats the cost of the general checkup labor?

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[joybhowmik]

Originally Posted by tsk1979

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Somebody please tell me bad things about i20. Real bad things.

Tanveer - imho - there wont be really bad things unless you decide to beat the heck out of the car (a.k.a. severe driving conditions).

But here's something, in my 8 years of owning a Hyundai product - I have seen the company owned service station standard go from excellent to good to average to bad. I am talking of HMP on Mathura Road. I am given to understand that the HMP is the only workshop with "standards" in the immediate area.

So, if you like the car, and have a "trustworthy and knowledgeable" mechanic, follow your heart. Like you said - "You only live once"

[rlakhanpal]

Originally Posted by tsk1979

Good to see an owners opinion.

Oops! Forgot to mention, I was one of the travellers. The car is my friends. Got the answers from him.

Originally Posted by tsk1979

1. Do you drive a diesel micra? Whats the FE

"Diesel XV Premium. FE 24+ mixed city/highway, a/c 80%

On way back from Abu, we got 24 with AC and sustained 110+ speeds and B2B traffic in rain on entering the city."

Originally Posted by tsk1979

2. How many kms have you done

"10k"

Originally Posted by tsk1979

3. Do you need to take it to workshop for checkup every 5000kms?

"Haven't been to the workshop yet. Didn't feel the need for any checkup."

Originally Posted by tsk1979

4. Your service expenses including parts and labor?

"None yet."

Originally Posted by tsk1979

5. Whats the cost of the general checkup labor?

"No experience as yet."


The car's built like a tank.

[supertinu]

Another well written humorous thread Tanveer. This discussion will surely become a good Diesel Sedan buying guide for all of us. I am considering a 2nd car (possible diesel hatch) sometime early next year, surely curious to know what is your final choice after all the trials .

I dont have any 1st hand experience with any of the hatchs that you are considering other than i20 which my sisters owns for past 2.5 yrs. Its the 1.2L petrol asta version. They have replaced clutch twice and have had gearbox issues as well. As you already put, its a amazing hatch which you fall in love with the moment you sit inside with all the bells and whistles but definitely high on maintenance cost.

[carboy]

Originally Posted by rlakhanpal

"10k"



"Haven't been to the workshop yet. Didn't feel the need for any checkup."

No routine service for the first 10K kms seems unusual.

[rlakhanpal]

Originally Posted by carboy

No routine service for the first 10K kms seems unusual.

First service due soon. Will post my friends exp in case TSK is still hatch-hunting.

I am scheduled to continue my own hatch-hunt this weekend, lets c how it works out. Micra is in the lead already, even without a proper "sales TD".

[A350XWB]

Originally Posted by girishglg

i20- This is one of the best Hyundai’s available in our country. Solid build and all but the lackluster performance of the 1.4 CRDi with low mileage (compared to the National Diesel hearts), lower GC and height would strike it off my list. Especially if you are on the highway runs as you mentioned with bad roads, this is not the one.

You are kiddin' right? Lackluster performance of the 1.4 CRDi? Have you ever driven the i20 CRDi? I think not. Otherwise, you would not have made such a silly statement. The 1.4 CRDi which comes in the i20 is the best diesel engine in a hatch (priced < 10L) currently available in India. Period! It is more refined and powerful than the National Diesel Engine, aka the Multijet. And lower GC and height? Are you sure you are not confusing the i20 with the Figo?
And I would call it one of the best put together hatchback in the country (not only from Hyundai, but from all the manufacturers).

Originally Posted by girishglg

Figo- A VFM offering in a re-skinned old gen Fiesta with the same engines. The car needs wringing its neck hard to keep sprinting and would heat up your head even though your body gets frozen by a chiller (A/c). It may be a good city car but I guess a little out of place in long runs with low GC and height. I think it’s definitely out of your mind for sure.

And same question here. Have you really driven the car? I own a Figo TDCi and while I agree that the car is no scorcher, it's not a sloth either. If you know how to keep the engine in the boil, it's a fun to drive car.

[girishglg]

Firstly no offences to the i20 and Figo. As I said this was more based on the requirements of the shopper along this thread.

The comparison of 1.4 vs 1.3 was mainly on FE. I did not mean it was lower powered though.

On the Figo, the car is not as free revving compared to the sprightly 1.3s (I agree the 'hard' word can go out).

Yes I have driven all the three cars (in all avataars of 1.3 minus Vista)

Hope this clarifies my point of view

Originally Posted by A350XWB

You are kiddin' right? Lackluster performance of the 1.4 CRDi? Have you ever driven the i20 CRDi? I think not. Otherwise, you would not have made such a silly statement. The 1.4 CRDi which comes in the i20 is the best diesel engine in a hatch (priced < 10L) currently available in India. Period! It is more refined and powerful than the National Diesel Engine, aka the Multijet. And lower GC and height? Are you sure you are not confusing the i20 with the Figo?
And I would call it one of the best put together hatchback in the country (not only from Hyundai, but from all the manufacturers).


And same question here. Have you really driven the car? I own a Figo TDCi and while I agree that the car is no scorcher, it's not a sloth either. If you know how to keep the engine in the boil, it's a fun to drive car.

[A350XWB]

Originally Posted by girishglg

Firstly no offences to the i20 and Figo. As I said this was more based on the requirements of the shopper along this thread.
The comparison of 1.4 vs 1.3 was mainly on FE. I did not mean it was lower powered though.
On the Figo, the car is not as free revving compared to the sprightly 1.3s (I agree the 'hard' word can go out).

I also did not mean to offend. But usually, when somebody says "lackluster performance", they mean the actual performance, mainly power and torque, of the engine and not FE. Not nitpicking, but even on FE front, the 1.4 CRDi is ahead of the 1.3 MJD atleast according to the ARAI values.
Values are
Hyundai i20 - 21.93 kmpl
Suzuki Swift - 21.7 kmp
But I agree that for the thread starter, Ritz makes most sense because it's a good city car.

[gautamkhadse]

Awesome write up Tanveer , Somehow I feel that you should have tried out the i10 and am sure you would have loved it . DOnt know if it qualifies your list but its surely one of the good hatches .

To like the Punto , you really have to be a FIAT FAN boy and the best FAN if I may say . The clutch does feel bad and you cant half cluch the punto like you can on the tootas or the hyundai.

You reaction to the FIGO was a bit of a shocker for me , because looking at the sales number I feel , people love that car , really really love that car .

Why didnt you try out any of the VWs ? Was the cost a factor to strike them off the list .

Also , the recently announced price cuts on the Honda Jazz , have they struck more confusion ?

@Tanveer : I was justthinking about two options which might need budget streching but are absolutely yummy options . The fabia and the Ford Fiesta Classic .

The fabia is a little expensive and you might just ignore it because of all the horror stories that we get to read .

The ford fiesta classic though is an absolute VFM . Still looks like a winner is one of the most loved diesels and also sells a lot . Is very reliable has all the goodies included ever since it got the so called Classic (read OUTDATED ) status .

Compared to the new model I prefer the older version and given a choice today I would like to go for the fiesta . I know its not a hatch but just try it out . It packs the punch that you are looking for .

[Williams_f1]

Hello everyone, first time poster!

If you like the Micra's engine, then why not try the Verito?
Same engine, solid build, no real vices. Plus loads of space, I personally did like the rear seating of the Micra, when I td it, I literally felt that there
was no rear seat in this car, a point agreed by family members too.
for the price of the Micra you can get the base variant of the Verito
with some discounts thrown in.
In my opinion its the best VFM car out there, the real fill it forget it car.

Looks: subjective arent they? Well I like cars with staid looks(most of the time!),so I like it!

If you have Td all the other cars in this segment, then it aint fare on your part to leave out the Verito, come on give it shot, it could be a pleasant surprise!

Williams F1.

[vina]

Originally Posted by Williams_f1

Hello everyone, first time poster!

If you like the Micra's engine, then why not try the Verito?
Same engine, solid build, no real vices. Plus loads of space, I personally did like the rear seating of the Micra, when I td it, I literally felt that there
was no rear seat in this car, a point agreed by family members too.
for the price of the Micra you can get the base variant of the Verito
with some discounts thrown in.
In my opinion its the best VFM car out there, the real fill it forget it car.

Looks: subjective arent they? Well I like cars with staid looks(most of the time!),so I like it!

If you have Td all the other cars in this segment, then it aint fare on your part to leave out the Verito, come on give it shot, it could be a pleasant surprise!

Williams F1.

Verito is the best VFM car out there with all the essentials you can think of. HOWEVER (1) tsk found Figo underpowered, Verito has lesser power and higher weight (2) it is more expensive than a Figo.

I mean if you do consider a Verito and are OK with a hatch too - why not save 1L and go for a Figo (this advice is not for tsk)

[Reinhard]

Originally Posted by Williams_f1

Hello everyone, first time poster!

If you like the Micra's engine, then why not try the Verito?
Same engine, solid build, no real vices. Plus loads of space, I personally did like the rear seating of the Micra, when I td it, I literally felt that there
was no rear seat in this car, a point agreed by family members too.
for the price of the Micra you can get the base variant of the Verito
with some discounts thrown in.
In my opinion its the best VFM car out there, the real fill it forget it car.

Looks: subjective arent they? Well I like cars with staid looks(most of the time!),so I like it!

If you have Td all the other cars in this segment, then it aint fare on your part to leave out the Verito, come on give it shot, it could be a pleasant surprise!

Williams F1.

Welcome to TBHP Williams F1 So are you a Rubens fan? Or Pastor Maldonado?

As for a Verito, why buy a car that's designed and first made in Romania, which is not exactly a car making country (The car is original DACIA Logan). In addition, why buy a car who's manufacturers here (Earlier Mahindra-Renault & now just M&M) are not even intelligent enough to engineer the wipers to fit and move in the right way? Its simply too basic, cost cutting machine (even the ORVMs are universal. You can take out the left & right one, and fit them on the other sides.) Too bald. There are a lot better VFMs around at similar asking price. On top of it, the diesel in the Verito is not really a powerful machine. Proportionate to its displacement & own weight, it coughs out the least of the modern diesel engines currently running. Okay there is lesser turbo lag since its higher in displacement, but turbo lag can be even worked out well with proper turbo tuning and gear ratios like Fiat & Tata have done in their cars. Verito is unfortunately a loser. M&M should have discontinued it. Better to get an all new car instead. On the same platform if needed...

[Williams_f1]

Vina and Reinhard, thank you for your comments. Point noted and agreed upon!

Reinhard on the subject of Williams F1, well the team comes first before the drivers, its all about Sir Frank Williams and Patrick Head for me. I would also like to add that I am really happy with both the drivers as of now. Sadly my love for the team has taken over my love for F1, unable to see their disastrous performances, have reduced my quota of viewership. Hoping for better season in 2012!

Williams f1.