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Old 4th September 2007, 21:44   #76
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Thanks Diabloo. I will keep all of you posted about the NHC experience.
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Similar thing I am hearing about Civic amoungst the D segment cars like Skoda 1.8 TPIs....Civic can not keep up with them while taking off.

Any thoughts ?
The 1.8 TPi is more powerful, but Civic is more powerful then the Optra, Corolla, Octy Diesel, Lancer Cedia
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Old 4th September 2007, 23:44   #78
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Hey, I have found some videos on YouTube. Its about NHC vs OHC drags.
In these drags, NHC seems to surge forward & win.

Note: NHC VTEC ad
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diabloo - There is no denying the fact that the NHC Vtec is fast in a straight line but it costs a whooping 9lacs to get that much power and no features also, so better to buy a Cedia.

Secondly your comparing a 1 year old car being faster then a 7 year old car whose engine has lost a few horses now ??????
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All those videos are of basically the same drag. Its unknown whether the OHC there is a 1.3 or a 1.5. Its definitely not a VTEC. All the while were were talking about the iDSi NHC not the NHC VTEC which has very good power.

However if you really wanna test out the VTEC, pit it against the Cedia... which costs roughly the same. The NHC would be handed its posterior.

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Speed iDSI/CVT/VTEC
20-80(3rd) 13.56/8.25/12.71
40-100(4th) 17.76/10.95/17.29

From those figures its obvious that the CVT and VTEC figures are interchanged . There's no the iDSI CVT is 7 seconds faster than the VTEC.
Those figures for the CVT could be right. I think they record 40-100 for auto trannys in 'kickdown' mode. Hence they are so low compared to the manual cars.
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Hey Busa, can't do that in NHC. No doubt you were left behind . NHC is famous for its short gearing, and if you want to beat the competition, you should shift fast and like a rally driver.

Max in each gear for iDSI (since you had GXI):
1st: 49Km/h
2nd: 88Km/h
3rd: 125Km/h
4th: 160Km/h

So if you want to beat Esteem, shift to 1st, hit 40, shift fast to 2nd, hit 80, shift fast to 3rd, hit 120, now shift to 4th and hit the peddle. Competition is history.

Note: NHC is different from other cars in the market. Other cars are designed for long gearing. So it takes some time getting used to driving NHC. Once you are in, its as good as anybody. I agree with AnanthPadhye that it doesn't grunt or growl and so people are misled into thinking that it doesn't try.
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I have driven Esteem, City rigoursly.

The Esteem is faster. The NHC has more torque, for City driving the NHC is a breeze but when it comes to overtaking mainly on highways you are out of power. The biggest plus of the Esteem is its gearing is fantastic for the highway. When your cruising at 80kmph in 5th gear and you need instant power, just downshift to third and there is ample power, since the car reaches 160kmph in 3rd, 100 iin 2nd, 60 in 1st.
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I am intrigued by Raju's tagline at the bottom - "Currently driving Unbelievable City. Giving me 22 kmpl (Now updated to 25.7 kmpl) on highways."

22 kmpl?? What's the deal Raju?
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So if you want to beat Esteem, shift to 1st, hit 40, shift fast to 2nd, hit 80, shift fast to 3rd, hit 120, now shift to 4th and hit the peddle. Competition is history.
Buddy in flat out acceleration the Esteem will eat the NHC, but the Vtec will eat the Esteem.

Esteem 0 - 100 - 11.49
NHC 0 - 100 - 13.11
NHC Vtec 0 - 100 - 10.6
Cedia 0 - 100 - 10.5
Optra Magnum - 9.8
OHC 1.5 - 11.17
Baleno - 11.19
OHC Vtec - 9.xx(dont remember)
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I am intrigued by Raju's tagline at the bottom - "Currently driving Unbelievable City. Giving me 22 kmpl (Now updated to 25.7 kmpl) on highways."

22 kmpl?? What's the deal Raju?
I use my NHC mostly in weekends as my office is very near to my residence and there is lot of traffic in that route.

You can see the dashboard I prepared for my car. I am capturing these details from 10k kms. I am filling petrol in IBP COCO bunk which is reliable and giving me good mileage. Whenever I travel to my native place, I got around 22kmpl.

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Is NHC underpowered (NHC on highways ?)?

Hey narasimha raju, nice graphs man. Any clue on why sometimes the mileage is less than 13?

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Nice dashboard @narasimha. I maintain similar data, though without the charts. Will try it out sometime.

One thing that struck me was your cost per km.

Rs. 4.54
over ~6000Km with an average FE of 15.43kmpl

Compare this to my Baleno figures.
Rs. 4.73
over ~ 22000kms with an average FE of 11.14kmpl (90% city driving)
My average per litre fuel cost is similar to yours ~ Rs 50

So even with a 4kmpl FE advantage the running cost is similar

Then I saw that you have spent 4779 on service charges in 6000kms. Whereas my service charges over 20months/22000 kms is almost the same !! Rs. 4846.

Can you elaborate on the service charges ? Are those standard service costs or did you have any extra expenses ?
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Yes.

This in fact, firms my faith in Honda.
Their Vtec is way ahead of equally powered Ford and their lower power engine is actually as much capable as the higher power Ford!!!

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LOL, I would rate the non-VTEC model as capable as a WagonR. The Vtec model is good in pick up though--almost as good as the 1.6 Fiesta. The Fiesta scores in handling and stability at higher speeds, and it also offers ABS now with the sxi model. Only plus point for Vtec is the rear leg space.
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Then I saw that you have spent 4779 on service charges in 6000kms. Whereas my service charges over 20months/22000 kms is almost the same !! Rs. 4846.
Does Rs. 4846 include all the oil changes e.g engine oil, gear oil etc ??
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LOL, I would rate the non-VTEC model as capable as a WagonR. The Vtec model is good in pick up though--almost as good as the 1.6 Fiesta. The Fiesta scores in handling and stability at higher speeds, and it also offers ABS now with the sxi model. Only plus point for Vtec is the rear leg space.
Are you sure that you rate the iDSI city as capable as WagorR?
You should rethink. WagorR used to have reclining + foldable seats in the rear. So you can actually rate WagonR more capable than non-Vtec City ifyou want
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