My MM550

ex670c · 5th March 2010, 12:38

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Originally Posted by SPIKE ARRESTOR

@ Arka this what i was stressing on- "Worse even, they may cause strange vehicular reactions that are inconsistent from one side to the other. This is because the anti-wrap bar must be mounted on one side of the vehicle" Source- BamBar - Ultimate Anti-Wrap Solution - Jeepaholics Anonymous anyways nice info there

. I am attaching a pic for some more clarification.

Spike

Hi Spike,

If the Traction Bar binds the suspension, then definitely it will cause strange vehicular reactions.

Also A Shackle is connected at the end/Chassis to allow for Flex.

Wrt to diagram holds true in both cases of Coil Spring and Leaf Spring.

But the Position of the Leaf Spring and how the Axle is Located (SUA or SPOA) negates this irregular behaviour.

Regards,

Arka

SPIKE ARRESTOR · 5th March 2010, 14:10

Arka, but according to the links mentioned by you, this "Axle wrap" behavior is possible in both these combinations, although predominant on SPoA setup, any reason for this?

Spike

ex670c · 5th March 2010, 17:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by SPIKE ARRESTOR

Arka, but according to the links mentioned by you, this "Axle wrap" behavior is possible in both these combinations, although predominant on SPoA setup, any reason for this?

Spike

Hi Spike,

Axle Wrap is caused in SUA and SPOA setup.

1) In SUA it is caused when the leaf pack is soft/become soft.
i.e Sanjay David's JEEP

2) SPOA it is caused because of the location of the Axle underneath the Leaf Spring, and the changes to the orientation of the U-Clamps and Plate.
i.e change in triangulation compared to SUA.

Regards,

Arka

SPIKE ARRESTOR · 5th March 2010, 18:58

@Arka, how and when does the spring gets soft? Ageing?? what "traingulation" are you referring to?

Spike

ex670c · 5th March 2010, 19:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by SPIKE ARRESTOR

@Arka, how and when does the spring gets soft? Ageing?? what "traingulation" are you referring to?

Spike

Hi Spike,

The Spring gets soft due to

1) Age
2) Overload
3) Improper spring pack
4) After Market Leaf Springs
5) Orientation - SUA/SPOA

TRIANGULATION - Axle Dead Centre X Leaf Spring Eye X Leaf Spring Shackle Eye

Axle Wrap Prevention

Regards,

Arka

jyobeb · 9th March 2010, 08:38

My new tailgate and spare tyre mount. Also a pic of the body extension.

pramodkumar · 9th March 2010, 10:23

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Originally Posted by jyobeb

a pic of the body extension.

Have you increased the wheel base of the jeep?

Pramod

jyobeb · 10th March 2010, 10:10

Yup! It now has the same wheelbase as a Bolero, (2680mm) vs the old wheelbase of 2430mm.

jeepster · 10th March 2010, 17:15

hi jyobeb
jeep looks really good.
will you please post some pictures from side ?
i want to see how will my 750 will look with mm550 doors.

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this is design which i did for reference last year.

jyobeb · 17th March 2010, 09:42

A picture of my Traction bar.
Some WIP pictures and my sunroof.

vinod_nookala · 17th March 2010, 10:22

Your jeep has devastating look! That additional length is very nicely hidden due to SPOA and almost square cabin. Sun roof is a bit over the top i feel

Anyway bring your baby on road and off it. Any soft top design in mind to cover the rear portion and sides? How are you making the cabin A/c friendly?

jyobeb · 17th March 2010, 15:54

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Originally Posted by vinod_nookala

Your jeep has devastating look! That additional length is very nicely hidden due to SPOA and almost square cabin. Sun roof is a bit over the top i feel

Anyway bring your baby on road and off it. Any soft top design in mind to cover the rear portion and sides? How are you making the cabin A/c friendly?

Thanks for the comments man! Honestly, the sunroof was lying around with me for about 2 years and the extension of the jeep made the length just right for the fitment and hence decided to go ahead. Its not that I spent money to buy a sunroof.
The sides are going to be covered with black SRF's PVC material, which is really strong. I am thinking openable sides which can be zipped shut. Lets see how good the liner is.

ex670c · 17th March 2010, 16:31

Hi Beboy,

Time to change the 235-70-16 to

Maxxis Kreepy Crawler 255-85-16

(33-34")

Regards,

Arka

jyobeb · 17th March 2010, 16:54

What should my diff ratio be for 34" tyres Arka? My present setup with 235/85R16 tyres and diff ratio of 4.88 runs pretty well.

ex670c · 17th March 2010, 17:20

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Originally Posted by jyobeb

What should my diff ratio be for 34" tyres Arka? My present setup with 235/85R16 tyres and diff ratio of 4.88 runs pretty well.

Hi Beboy

for 31" (7.50X16) it is 4.88

235-85-16 is 31"-32" so for that 4.88 is ok.

255-85-16 is 33-34" so for that 34/31 X 4.88 = 5.35 (5.38:1)

You can always try 255-85-16 with 4.88 and switch to 5.38:1 later on.

Regards,

Arka

5th March 2010, 14:10	#167
SPIKE ARRESTOR Senior - BHPian Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Germany Posts: 2,854 Thanked: 1,532 Times	Arka, but according to the links mentioned by you, this "Axle wrap" behavior is possible in both these combinations, although predominant on SPoA setup, any reason for this? Spike
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SPIKE ARRESTOR Senior - BHPian Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Germany Posts: 2,854 Thanked: 1,532 Times	@Arka, how and when does the spring gets soft? Ageing?? what "traingulation" are you referring to? Spike
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9th March 2010, 08:38	#171
jyobeb Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Madurai Posts: 1,010 Thanked: 704 Times	My new tailgate and spare tyre mount. Also a pic of the body extension. Attached Thumbnails
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10th March 2010, 10:10	#173
jyobeb Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Madurai Posts: 1,010 Thanked: 704 Times	Yup! It now has the same wheelbase as a Bolero, (2680mm) vs the old wheelbase of 2430mm.
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17th March 2010, 09:42	#175
jyobeb Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Madurai Posts: 1,010 Thanked: 704 Times	A picture of my Traction bar. Some WIP pictures and my sunroof. Attached Thumbnails
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17th March 2010, 10:22	#176
vinod_nookala Senior - BHPian Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Mumbai Posts: 1,737 Thanked: 430 Times View My Garage	Devastataing look Your jeep has devastating look! That additional length is very nicely hidden due to SPOA and almost square cabin. Sun roof is a bit over the top i feel Anyway bring your baby on road and off it. Any soft top design in mind to cover the rear portion and sides? How are you making the cabin A/c friendly? Last edited by vinod_nookala : 17th March 2010 at 10:24.
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ex670c Senior - BHPian Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Chennai Posts: 2,470 Thanked: 1,939 Times View My Garage	Krrepy Crawly. Hi Beboy, Time to change the 235-70-16 to Maxxis Kreepy Crawler 255-85-16 (33-34") Regards, Arka Last edited by ex670c : 17th March 2010 at 16:33.
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17th March 2010, 16:54	#179
jyobeb Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Madurai Posts: 1,010 Thanked: 704 Times	What should my diff ratio be for 34" tyres Arka? My present setup with 235/85R16 tyres and diff ratio of 4.88 runs pretty well. Last edited by jyobeb : 17th March 2010 at 16:56.
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