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Old 4th October 2021, 20:44   #166
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This week's update : Hilux is not coming i guess. Did some digging around with toyota factory friends of friends and they said no plans this year.
So looking at other options now.

Since ford closed shop last week i have been thinking about good deals of the endeavour. A welll kept 4 5 year old one with less miles on it would fit beautifully as a overland rig. I see the aussies and US folks with their everest

So i am thinking seriously of doing a pivot on to getting this SUV. Saw a 2016 Endeavour with 70k on it and in great shape. I am doing research on near future parts availability and repairs to evaluate the cost/benefit of getting this endy as my selected rig. Feedback please...

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A Toyota Fortuner of similar age will perhaps be a better bet given Toyota's continued presence and availability of spares. Not to mention the near bullet proof build.
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A Toyota Fortuner of similar age will perhaps be a better bet given Toyota's continued presence and availability of spares. Not to mention the near bullet proof build.
The cost is the factor. An 2016/17 Endy is available for around 20L with 60K kms on its odo. Fortuners aren't in this ballpark.
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Major update to the overland build:

New option emerged in form of a Isuzu dmax vcross 2017 vehicle at a decent budget. So I am going for it and moving to the next stepof the build around this vehicle.

Whats it fulfills:
1. 4x4
2. good reliability
3. Open bed pickup truck
4. decent road manners. (somewhat)

What I compromised on:
1. No automatic
2. No diff lock
3. updated bells & whistles and looks.

Overall a good platform for the next phase of the build after taking delivery of the vehicle. I will make checklists and vendor shortlists next week for the them. Among the big topics are: Rig design, tent, storage, power management, fridge, cooking and water needs.

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I was just wondering why build on an Isuzu when Mahindra has an excellent S11-based pickup that they sell in Australia and South Africa. Just ran a search on Youtube for "australia mahindra ute camper". Please forgive my ignorance on Indian homologation rules, but it seems Mahindra does NOT readily sell this domestically. Would really welcome if vkiran_2000 blazes a trail that someone like me can consider following.
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Major update to the overland build:

New option emerged in form of a Isuzu dmax vcross 2017 vehicle at a decent budget.

Among the big topics are: Rig design, tent, storage, power management, fridge, cooking and water needs.

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You could carry two batteries. There is something called an "isolator" which allows you to charge two batteries off one alternator but discharge off each battery separately. One battery would say, start the car and do car stuff, the other battery would run any outside lights and equipment you have. The one running down would not draw on or affect the other.

Also, I don't know if you want to get this detailed, but there are batteries called "deep cycle" batteries. These are built to deeply discharge and recharge on a routine basis. Car batteries are not really built to do this. Deep cycle batteries hold up to this much better. They are often used in marine (boat) applications. These I would use for peripheral lights and equipment.
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You could carry two batteries. There is something called an "isolator" which allows you to charge two batteries off one alternator but discharge off each battery separately. One battery would say, start the car and do car stuff, the other battery would run any outside lights and equipment you have. The one running down would not draw on or affect the other.

Also, I don't know if you want to get this detailed, but there are batteries called "deep cycle" batteries. These are built to deeply discharge and recharge on a routine basis. Car batteries are not really built to do this. Deep cycle batteries hold up to this much better. They are often used in marine (boat) applications. These I would use for peripheral lights and equipment.
There are a lot of circuits for using two batteries in RV's available on the net. You can even order kits for various battery capacities online.

Regarding Deep Cycle Batteries", they are designed for stationary application and may not be suitable in a vehicle where the battery will be subjected to vibrations on regular basis and vertical and horizontal shocks at times. So please check their suitability.

One option is to use "Sealed Lead Acid Batteries" used in UPS and other critical applications. They have been there is US for decades and barring their cost are ideally suitable for off-road use.
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I was just wondering why build on an Isuzu when Mahindra has an excellent S11-based pickup that they sell in Australia and South Africa. ... Would really welcome if vkiran_2000 blazes a trail that someone like me can consider following.
The S11 (or the Scorpio getaway as it is known in India) is no longer available in India. There are a few available in the second hand market but not in great condition.

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You could carry two batteries. ...Deep cycle batteries hold up to this much better. They are often used in marine (boat) applications. These I would use for peripheral lights and equipment.
Good ideas. The overland "industry" has used them to develop battery packs by Jackery and Bluetti to name a few. They offer multiple charging and discharging options suited for camping. Check this example comparison out below.

I am trying to get one of these imported or check out some locally built or available online ones.


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This week's update : Hilux is not coming i guess. Did some digging around with toyota factory friends of friends and they said no plans this year.
I was told that Hilux will be launched in March-April but CBU. This information is from a friend who works with Toyota. But things may change in the coming months. I was also waiting for Hilux. Finally found a BS4 Z Prestige which had done only 3000 kms and picked it up.


And congratulations on you new possession. It looks good. I have seen this vehicle in JP Nagar. Hope this serves you well.

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Week 4 Oct 2021 updates:

Lots of activity around prepping the vehicle. The last bout of updates saw:

ADDITIONS/UPDATES:
  1. Added a snorkel from bumblebe - Bluegarage.in
  2. Same place, got the underbody 3 piece protection - Bluegarage.in
  3. Wheel arch fender flares added - Bluegarage.in
  4. LED headlight replacement - Sixth mile customs
  5. ICE head unit replaced with a android auto compatible version from Pioneer - Sixth mile customs
ORDERED:
  1. Ordered and received the roof top 2 person hardshell tent from Nomad adventures, delhi.
  2. Ordered and received 50 ltr fridge, 12 v dc powered - tropicool india.
  3. Ordered 500W battery pack with 100W solar panel - amazon
  4. Ordered diesel air heater for keeping tent warm in subzero weather. Also can be used to deice the engine for early morning startup -amazon
  5. Ordered 12v dc water pump to design a water storage solution around it.
  6. Ordered gas fired instant water heater for camping toilet. This will be integrated to the pump for shower
  7. Ordered standing tents for shower and potty enclosures. Still researching the best way to make a biodegradable easy to use waste disposal system.(more on this later)
DESIGN/RESEARCH
  1. Working on a tent rack design with sixth mile customs.
  2. Working on a drawer system design for the bed with sixth mile.
All the design work should come together by first week of Nov and another 2 weeks of actual build.


LATEST LOOK:

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CVPqs..._web_copy_link


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Looks like a very exciting build. Please share the images once the build is complete. I would also like to see the vehicle in person if it is okay with you once you are done with the complete build.

Also, can you share some details of the Android system that you installed along with pictures? I want to see how it fits. Also, do they get integrated with the steering controls? Do they add an additional microphone above driver's head? Thanks in advance.
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....can you share some details of the Android system that you installed along with pictures? I want to see how it fits. Also, do they get integrated with the steering controls? Do they add an additional microphone above driver's head? ...
Thanks will share pics and progress of course. The ICE unit is a pioneer. Not android but Android auto compatible. It comes with a mic that I placed on the top edge of the windscreen above driver, slightly left.

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For those interested in big expedition vehicles.
Tata has launched the 1218T bs6 in 4X4.
It has the same structure of the SA1212/42 4x4 that the Army uses as a Troop carrier, but with a considerably more powerful BS6 engine, and over 900Nm torque.
As of now it is available for non Army buyers in the NE states, HP and UK.
If some one can manage to register one privately and build a good caravan on it. They have a world tour capable 4X4.

Links for references. https://www.tatamotors.com/product/d...er-sa1212-4x4/



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For those interested in big expedition vehicles.
Tata has launched the 1218T bs6 in 4X4.

What you'll like:

Same popular Army SUV package you know and love.
Robust, abuse-friendly build & construction
Aggressive styling. Has good street presence. Scares the snot out of people.


What you won't:

Ride quality, though improved, is far from plush. Still gets bouncy & bumpy
Surprisingly limited 2nd-row legroom in an SUV of this size
Overdone rear end styling. Also, decades-old body shell shows its age
Fit & finish leave a lot to be desired. Rough edges are plentiful
Niggles & issues, as reported by existing Tata owners
Tata's after-sales service quality is a hit or miss. Remains a gamble
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