MODIFIED suggestions for 4 ch. amp & subwoofer

speedzak · 5th December 2006, 01:08

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Originally Posted by ggoyal_83

so which front speakers should i go for?? coaxial or component?? i have to connect them to an amp (GTO 60.4).
budget not a major constarint.

which wire brand is better - audison or JBL??

how o ensure that the wire brand is original??

I made a mistake earlier. I thought you were asking for Audison speakers.

I will put my money on Audison. But they're quite expensive. So, if you want a less pocket heavy option, opt for JBL.

Get bill for the stuff you buy and also get it stamped by the dealer.

Mugen_Power · 5th December 2006, 01:12

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Originally Posted by speedzak

Audison doesn't make speakers.

I think He is asking which wire brand is better ? Jbl Or Audison ?

Mugen_Power.

hydrashok · 5th December 2006, 08:58

I would second Audison for wiring too.

Sam Kapasi · 5th December 2006, 09:58

JBL does not make wires. We just have one good quality amplifier kit that has been priced quite low, considering the excellent quality of the kit. JBL made this ONE product for customer convenience. No more.
Audison on the other hand makes a wide variety of good quality car audio cables and I would recommend them anytime.

ggoyal_83 · 5th December 2006, 22:52

i went to DRIVEN today!!

This guy, Manik, is totally against JBL!!!!
I listened to his Honda Accord system...MANNNNNNNN, awesome sound!!!!!!!

For amp, he suggested me Alpine MRVF 301...used. Says new one costs 24K, he is giving it for 12K. Is it worth it???

Also suggested me to install components in the front.
I am ready to do it but he recommended Hertz over JBL.

The story continues for subwoofer too...dont go for JBL. Buy either Pioneer for 3.5K or go for Hertz...8.8K approx. BUT NOT JBL!!! Showed me lots of JBL bass tubes. willing to sell them off for 50% of MRP.

IS HERTZ REALLY BETTER THAN JBL???

Total JBL budget:
JBL 60.4 -> 9.5K
Audison wiring -> 5.5K
Subwoofer -> 4.5K for SW 1K for box
6.5K for bass tube
GTO 637 -> 3.9K

BUDGET: 24.4K

OPTIONAL: Components -> 5.5K
Budget: 26K

DRIVEN Suggestions:
Alpine MRVF 301 -> 13K
Audison wiring -> 5.5K
Subwoofer Hertz -> 8.7K
Component Hertz ESK 165 (200W) -> 8.8K

TOTAL: 35.8K

DIFFERENCE: 11.5K minimum

WHAT SHOULD I DO??????????

ggoyal_83 · 5th December 2006, 23:16

According to the MRV-F301 owner's manual:
Power Output (12vdc input)
30w X 4 @ 4 Ohm stereo (0.08% THD)
40w X 4 @ 2 Ohm stereo (0.3% THD)
80w X 2 @ 4 Ohm mono bridged (0.3% THD)

Dynamic Power (14.4vdc input)
50w X 4 @ 4 ohm stereo (0.08% THD)
60w X 4 @ 2 Ohm stereo (0.3% THD)
120w X 2 @ 4 Ohm mono bridged (0.3% THD

speedzak · 5th December 2006, 23:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by ggoyal_83

i went to DRIVEN today!!

This guy, Manik, is totally against JBL!!!!
I listened to his Honda Accord system...MANNNNNNNN, awesome sound!!!!!!!

Everybody has their opinions. So, what's wrong in it? You hear it, if you like it?? you buy it! Simple da!

You haven't told us what was that Accord holding in.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ggoyal_83

For amp, he suggested me Alpine MRVF 301...used. Says new one costs 24K, he is giving it for 12K. Is it worth it???

It depends how old is it and how is it'scondition now. The 301 amp is a great piece of equipment, No doubt it in it.
But! for you, it would be better to buy a new one. Or get the used amp inspected by someone who knows these things better.

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Originally Posted by ggoyal_83

Also suggested me to install components in the front.
I am ready to do it but he recommended Hertz over JBL.

Components in the front is the way to go. He is absolutely right.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ggoyal_83

The story continues for subwoofer too...dont go for JBL. Buy either Pioneer for 3.5K or go for Hertz...8.8K approx. BUT NOT JBL!!! Showed me lots of JBL bass tubes. willing to sell them off for 50% of MRP.

Hertz Subwoofer? ok. But Pioneer subwoofer??? Hell!!! No yaar. They're just not musical but thump thump!!

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Originally Posted by ggoyal_83

IS HERTZ REALLY BETTER THAN JBL???

Again!! I repeat: Everybody has their opinions. You hear it, if you like it? you buy it! Simple da!
It matters what you like and what is better to you. You may find something better which many will say not. So, if the Shopkeeper says Hertz is better, that's his version of the story. If you like JBL better, that's your version.

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Originally Posted by ggoyal_83

Total JBL budget:
JBL 60.4 -> 9.5K
Audison wiring -> 5.5K
Subwoofer -> 4.5K for SW 1K for box
6.5K for bass tube
GTO 637 -> 3.9K

BUDGET: 24.4K

OPTIONAL: Components -> 5.5K
Budget: 26K

This is totally confusing dude! Please explain! Are you going to get a Sub and also a Basstube?

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Originally Posted by ggoyal_83

DRIVEN Suggestions:
Alpine MRVF 301 -> 13K
Audison wiring -> 5.5K
Subwoofer Hertz -> 8.7K
Component Hertz ESK 165 (200W) -> 8.8K

TOTAL: 35.8K

DIFFERENCE: 11.5K minimum

That amp can be changed to a JBL 75.4 or a Pioneer Monoblock. And this will change again. It may increase further if needed. LOL!!

Quote:

Originally Posted by ggoyal_83

WHAT SHOULD I DO??????????

Retype your pricing!!

ggoyal_83 · 6th December 2006, 00:22

ok...got yr point. when i read the post again, i myself got confused!!!

i dont intend to get 2 woofers. what i meant was either sub-woofer with a box or a bass tube!!!!!

component speakers: decided. i will go for them
subwoofer: will hear hertz and JBL and then decide.

But there's a difference of 5K between these 2 sub woofers (with box...not bass tube).
Is it really worth it?

AMPLIFIER:

Is Alpine MRV-F301 really worth 24K?? is it a lot better than JBL 60.4??
Its either Alpine or JBL 60.4 for me. For 75.4 I wont extend my budget. Alpine - I am ready to buy only if there is zameen aasmaan ka difference between 60.4 and alpine!!!

gunbir · 6th December 2006, 02:12

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Originally Posted by ggoyal_83

For amp, he suggested me Alpine MRVF 301...used. Says new one costs 24K, he is giving it for 12K. Is it worth it???

Man... if I think the amp you are talking about is the one I saw there on Sunday, then please note that the amp he's selling is the Alpine MRV-F340
NOT the 301, which was a mono. You've posted the 301's model and pasted the 340's specs.

Its a great amp. And I can vouch for the fact that is is legit as there was an iD sub installed in that car and we had seen the install ourselves. And since they dont make em like they used to anymore, I'm recommending it to anyone who's interested... At 12k its a deal.

On the sub: Hertz, JBL sound way way better than the Pioneer sub. But if its that lumpy thumpy sound you want that should be heard a block away from your car, then Pioneer is your best bet. If its clear, natural, musical bass you're after, the other subs are better options.

As for Driven not liking JBL... Thats his preference. God gave you a pair of ears and a brain in between (comes as standard OE, though some limited edition models dont have one), listen to all the stuff you can, and buy what you think sounds best. End of the day, its your car, your music, your money, and eventually your system...

hydrashok · 6th December 2006, 07:56

ggoyal, I think you should listen to both brands too. There is a substantial difference in the type of music the two brands (Hertz and JBL) put-out. Make sure you use a song you are familiar with to listen to both speakers. Trust me, you'll immediately know which one you want.

Sam Kapasi · 6th December 2006, 09:46

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Originally Posted by ggoyal_83

Showed me lots of JBL bass tubes. willing to sell them off for 50% of MRP.

If Driven is indeed selling 12" JBL bass tubes at 3250/- (that's 50% of MRP) then I think every Delhi team-BHPian should get one immediately because a JBL enclosed subwoofer at that price is a STEAL STEAL SUPER STEAL!!
I recommend whoever would like one to get it now before driven changes his mind. His store at at mayapuri I think...

Mugen_Power · 6th December 2006, 10:28

ggoyal,

Have a look at this thread.
For the fronts you should have to go for compos.

Cheers,
Mugen_Power.

aZa · 6th December 2006, 11:09

DRIVEN isn't against JBL, He just has some used stock lying around thats why the discount. he is also selling the Alpine amp @ 50% doesn't mean he is against ALPINE now does it. Used stuff sell at 50% mrp only.

I'd suggest u audition all the equipment and then take ur decision based on what suits ur ears and ur budget. Also please look at your headunit its very basic, since u are upgrading ur ICE take look at some alpines or the kenwood 8529 (this is the one manik is running in his accord)

cheers

Bass&Trouble · 6th December 2006, 13:37

JBL is a good value for money product, and beats most comparable Pioneer products hands down. I am surprised that anyone can recommend the Pioneer sub in concern over the JBL one.

If you arte considering a better quality product over JBL, you should also look at Infinity and Velocity. iraghava recently installed a newer Velocity component system, and was of the view that it was a good product. Basically listen to wide variety of products and then decide, as everyone is suggesting.

Depending on what sub you select, you could also go in for Pioneer D510 monoblock or the JBL CS series 300.1.

panky12345 · 6th December 2006, 16:13

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Originally Posted by Sam Kapasi

If Driven is indeed selling 12" JBL bass tubes at 3250/- (that's 50% of MRP) then I think every Delhi team-BHPian should get one immediately because a JBL enclosed subwoofer at that price is a STEAL STEAL SUPER STEAL!!
I recommend whoever would like one to get it now before driven changes his mind. His store at at mayapuri I think...

I want 2 tubes....in case the deal is still is on.

Ggoyal: I'll go for JBL anyday. I have Pio 6100F feeding JBL GTO 637 (if i remember correct) 6.5" front comps...I am NOT satisfied the way they sound. am shortly planning to upgarde to JBL GTO 75.4 II.

5th December 2006, 08:58	#63
hydrashok Senior - BHPian Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: In my Office Posts: 2,527 Thanked: 19 Times View My Garage	I would second Audison for wiring too.
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5th December 2006, 09:58	#64
Sam Kapasi Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Mumbai (but wat Posts: 6,935 Thanked: 2,480 Times View My Garage	JBL does not make wires. We just have one good quality amplifier kit that has been priced quite low, considering the excellent quality of the kit. JBL made this ONE product for customer convenience. No more. Audison on the other hand makes a wide variety of good quality car audio cables and I would recommend them anytime.
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5th December 2006, 22:52	#65
ggoyal_83 BHPian Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Noida Posts: 29 Thanked: 0 Times	Driven: Anti Jbl i went to DRIVEN today!! This guy, Manik, is totally against JBL!!!! I listened to his Honda Accord system...MANNNNNNNN, awesome sound!!!!!!! For amp, he suggested me Alpine MRVF 301...used. Says new one costs 24K, he is giving it for 12K. Is it worth it??? Also suggested me to install components in the front. I am ready to do it but he recommended Hertz over JBL. The story continues for subwoofer too...dont go for JBL. Buy either Pioneer for 3.5K or go for Hertz...8.8K approx. BUT NOT JBL!!! Showed me lots of JBL bass tubes. willing to sell them off for 50% of MRP. IS HERTZ REALLY BETTER THAN JBL??? Total JBL budget: JBL 60.4 -> 9.5K Audison wiring -> 5.5K Subwoofer -> 4.5K for SW 1K for box 6.5K for bass tube GTO 637 -> 3.9K BUDGET: 24.4K OPTIONAL: Components -> 5.5K Budget: 26K DRIVEN Suggestions: Alpine MRVF 301 -> 13K Audison wiring -> 5.5K Subwoofer Hertz -> 8.7K Component Hertz ESK 165 (200W) -> 8.8K TOTAL: 35.8K DIFFERENCE: 11.5K minimum WHAT SHOULD I DO??????????
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5th December 2006, 23:16	#66
ggoyal_83 BHPian Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Noida Posts: 29 Thanked: 0 Times	Alpine MRV-f301 specs According to the MRV-F301 owner's manual: Power Output (12vdc input) 30w X 4 @ 4 Ohm stereo (0.08% THD) 40w X 4 @ 2 Ohm stereo (0.3% THD) 80w X 2 @ 4 Ohm mono bridged (0.3% THD) Dynamic Power (14.4vdc input) 50w X 4 @ 4 ohm stereo (0.08% THD) 60w X 4 @ 2 Ohm stereo (0.3% THD) 120w X 2 @ 4 Ohm mono bridged (0.3% THD
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6th December 2006, 00:22	#68
ggoyal_83 BHPian Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Noida Posts: 29 Thanked: 0 Times	ok...got yr point. when i read the post again, i myself got confused!!! i dont intend to get 2 woofers. what i meant was either sub-woofer with a box or a bass tube!!!!! component speakers: decided. i will go for them subwoofer: will hear hertz and JBL and then decide. But there's a difference of 5K between these 2 sub woofers (with box...not bass tube). Is it really worth it? AMPLIFIER: Is Alpine MRV-F301 really worth 24K?? is it a lot better than JBL 60.4?? Its either Alpine or JBL 60.4 for me. For 75.4 I wont extend my budget. Alpine - I am ready to buy only if there is *zameen aasmaan* ka difference between 60.4 and alpine!!!
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6th December 2006, 07:56	#70
hydrashok Senior - BHPian Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: In my Office Posts: 2,527 Thanked: 19 Times View My Garage	ggoyal, I think you should listen to both brands too. There is a substantial difference in the type of music the two brands (Hertz and JBL) put-out. Make sure you use a song you are familiar with to listen to both speakers. Trust me, you'll immediately know which one you want.
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6th December 2006, 10:28	#72
Mugen_Power Senior - BHPian Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Gujarat 03 Posts: 1,302 Thanked: 19 Times	ggoyal, Have a look at this thread. For the fronts you should have to go for compos. Cheers, Mugen_Power.
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6th December 2006, 11:09	#73
aZa Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Noida / Delhi Posts: 1,595 Thanked: 25 Times View My Garage	DRIVEN isn't against JBL, He just has some used stock lying around thats why the discount. he is also selling the Alpine amp @ 50% doesn't mean he is against ALPINE now does it. Used stuff sell at 50% mrp only. I'd suggest u audition all the equipment and then take ur decision based on what suits ur ears and ur budget. Also please look at your headunit its very basic, since u are upgrading ur ICE take look at some alpines or the kenwood 8529 (this is the one manik is running in his accord) cheers
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6th December 2006, 13:37	#74
Bass&Trouble Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Bombay Posts: 2,756 Thanked: 137 Times	JBL is a good value for money product, and beats most comparable Pioneer products hands down. I am surprised that anyone can recommend the Pioneer sub in concern over the JBL one. If you arte considering a better quality product over JBL, you should also look at Infinity and Velocity. iraghava recently installed a newer Velocity component system, and was of the view that it was a good product. Basically listen to wide variety of products and then decide, as everyone is suggesting. Depending on what sub you select, you could also go in for Pioneer D510 monoblock or the JBL CS series 300.1.
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