[BLACNWYTE]

Originally Posted by V.Narayan

One reason our High Courts and our Supreme Court are clogged is because whenever the Govt {Central or State or PSU} loses against an individual or private company they refuse to accept the judgement and simply file an appeal at the next judicial level. It doesn't cost them anything as you & I are footing the bill and no Govt Babu can be accused of having gone soft on the hapless citizen {who won the case} and having to give in to the citizen.

Off Topic :- That is because once a case is settled against the favor of a govt body/office there will be an internal enquiry as to whose head is going to roll. The person responsible for the case in the first place, if he is retired then who is handling that section /matter now and so on. So it is in their own best interest that the person /section/office approaches the higher court with an appeal. The most ridiculous reasoning given for this is that the damages the office/psu/govt body has to pay comes from the taxpayers money so it must be fought till the last possible avenue.

Spending more public money to save public money. Sounds legit govt work.

[AMG Power]

What’s in a name..a rose by any other name smells just as sweet.

Brand equity / tag lines / acronyms make sense when the end objective is the customer.

For Kerala’s white elephant the customer comes L-A-S-T - after employees, management, trade unions, political parties, minister and spare parts for the buses.

Even after epic losses, customers are viewed as a nuisance. The buses are notorious for not picking up customers even when running empty.

So how does it matter what it’s called ? It could be KSRTC, KeSRTC or CITIZEN EXPLOITATION VANDI.


*vandi = vehicle

[SPIKE ARRESTOR]

Now that KeSRTC have won the trademark for KSRTC, I hope it motivates them to work better, provide better services and reap good benefits like the KaSRTC. Would be interesting to see if KaSRTC goes for an appeal on this verdict.

So many other good things to do, and these Babus are fighting over a trademark, what a sorry state of affairs.

Spike

[Mohitkumaar]

Not from either state but why can't one state simply drop the S making it KRTC AND KSRTC!

[mpksuhas]

Originally Posted by gkveda

But really curious to know, what grounds did the court have to give the current decision.

The current ruling by Register of Trade mark was on the fact that KL was using the KSRTC naming about 20 years before KA.

But yes, a pointless debate. The same naming was being used by both corporations till some 7 years back, would have been great if they use the same going forward.

Not sure what promoted the first salvo, web portal naming issues?

For archival news on this, you can refer.

[sunikkat]

Originally Posted by Mohitkumaar

Not from either state but why can't one state simply drop the S making it KRTC AND KSRTC!

Similarly for tourism Kerala is KTDC and Karnataka KSTDC. Now if Karnataka changes to KRTC it would be other way around

[Thermodynamics]

Originally Posted by Chetan_Rao

What's wrong with adopting a consistent nationwide XX-RTC format, first two letters being the state's unique RTO notation?

Use of first two RTO letters can be seen in TNSTC, APSRTC and WBTC. Your suggestion would also avoid the other part of khichdi i.e. TC, STC and SRTC

[crdi]

Originally Posted by AMG Power

For Kerala’s white elephant the customer comes L-A-S-T - after employees, management, trade unions, political parties, minister and spare parts for the buses.

Even after epic losses, customers are viewed as a nuisance.

There's a huge fan base for these buses among the regular commuters of the local/'ordinary' routes. It is more so towards the ghat routes of the state, where these buses have to compete with better maintained private buses. One of the reasons for these fan bases could be regular student commuters who are often shunned by the private buses due to their concessional fares. These buses are like a lifeline for many areas and will be there on those routes even if the private operator decides to skip a trip.

[akhil_007]

If there is one thing that I hate about Karnataka (my home state), they don't flex their muscles. In matters like these, I'm selfish. KSRTC, is much much bigger, has greater revenue and provides fantastic service, relatively speaking. So we should have won the case OR dragged it on for years together. That way, it still stays with Karnataka (due to popularity)

Anyways, we will still continue to refer to old names- KSRTC,BTS, Bengloor, Market, Mejestick, idly-vade, dose, chow chow bath :-)

[skanchan95]

To be frank, it is a very silly issue to fight in courts. The court should have dismissed it right away and severely reprimanded both RTCs for fighting over such a silly issue!!! I just hope people in both states don't make it a prestige issue & start smashing each others RTC buses!!!

https://www.daijiworld.com/news/news...?newsID=839973

'Not competing with Kerala': Karnataka hints at still using KSRTC

Bengaluru, Jun 4 (IANS): With Kerala winning the 'KSRTC' trademark after a seven year legal battle, Karnataka Deputy Chief Minister, Laxman Savadi on Thursday said that the state government would not like to make it a prestige issue but hinted at continuing to use the trademark.

The Karnataka State Road Transport Corporation and its Kerala counterpart were locked in a legal battle over the acronym KSRTC for the past seven years, as both their buses and websites were using it.

Savadi, who holds the Transport Ministry, told reporters that there is no harm if the same acronym is used as both transport corporations aren't fighting a trade battle.

Noting the state government is yet to receive the judgement copy that is delivered by the Controller General of Patents Design and Trade Marks under the Union Commerce Ministry, he said: "Until then, the question of taking a legal course does not arise. Let everyone know that both transport corporations are not fighting a corporate battle here... we both are government organisations and our motto is to serve the people without causing any trouble."

He added that within the federal structure, both states will have to abide by the decisions given by judicial or quasi-judicial authorities.

"Both states' intention is to set up such a corporation is to provide subsidised public transport and with an intention to connect every village within their respective states. We both states have never competed in this sector nor we (at least Karnataka) intend to," he said.

In 2012, the Karnataka State Road Transport Corporation had requested its Kerala counterpart to refrain from using the name KSRTC after obtaining a trademark on the name from the Trade Marks Registry.

Karnataka's RTC has a two-headed mythical bird 'Gandabherunda' generally portrayed in temple motifs as clutching elephants in its talons. Kerala RTC's logo referred to as 'Aanavandi' also has two elephants on its logo. Kerala RTC had started using it much before neighbouring Karnataka but Karnataka had got the name registered with the Trademark Registry in 2012.

Contesting this claim, the Kerala RTC had filed an objection with the Controller General of Patents Design and Trade Marks in 2014 and won this claim on Wednesday.

The Kerala State Road Transport Corporation is one of the oldest public transport utilities in the country. The Travancore State Transport Department was re-established as the Kerala State Road Transport Corporation on April 1, 1965.

In Karnataka, it was started as the Mysore Government Road Transport Department and became the Karnataka Transport Corporation in 1973.

Originally Posted by Mohitkumaar

Not from either state but why can't one state simply drop the S making it KRTC AND KSRTC!

A valid point! I remember Gujarat's RTC (GSRTC) was informally called GST(especially in the Saurashtra region). But that was quite a long time ago in the 1990s. No one used to call it GSRTC in those days and simply referred to their buses as GST buses.

[deerhunter]

Originally Posted by akhil_007

flex their muscles.

This whole issue started with the KaRTC flexing their muscles by sending a legal notice to the KeRTC, asking it to stop using the KSRTC name. Till that point, both had no problems sharing the same acronym. This is what happens with unnecessary flexing. If there was no legal notice, both would still be officially using that name.

[vamsi.kona]

Originally Posted by Chetan_Rao

What's wrong with adopting a consistent nationwide XX-RTC format, first two letters being the state's unique RTO notation?

Given that a few states already use such naming, like APSRTC, TSRTC, TNRTC, it would be very easy to adapt and avoid such tussle with other states.

[redCherry]

Originally Posted by Mohitkumaar

Not from either state but why can't one state simply drop the S making it KRTC AND KSRTC!

That's exactly my point!
Now that the ruling is out, KaSRTC should just drop the 'S' and make it KRTC, no big deal.
That way you save a lot of court time and tax payers' money.


P.S : I'm from 'Karunadu Karnataka' by the way.

[ask_017]

Interesting to note the proofs submitted by Kerala. Even visuals from the 1969 movie 'Kannur Deluxe' in which the logo is being shown were submitted. And other documents like autobiographies of former transport ministers, historical documents dating back to British era were also submitted.

Link to a news article in English by Malayalam news daily.

https://keralakaumudi.com/en/news/news.php?id=563363&u=

[nirmaljusdoit]

Interesting to see how both these state owned corporations have wasted our tax payers money on frivolous and inconsequential issues such as this.

They should ideally be taken to task for wasting resources and time of the public as well as the courts.