Alto or Xeta

Bridge · 24th June 2008, 18:07

No. Xeta LPG, GLE and GLS both are 1.2 and not 1.4. Besides, I think if it were 1.4 the FE could have been less.

greenhorn · 24th June 2008, 22:58

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Originally Posted by sriturl

I feel that Auto LPG prices would be more stable as compared to Diesel.

Auto LPG prices have risen by about 50% or 10 rupees over the last 1 year. Diesel on the other hand has seen only a 4 Rupee /15% hike. the numbers are not accurate, but I'd say diesel prices are more stable, In addition, LPG costs more than diesel these days ,and gives lesser mileage per litre than petrol, while a diesel gives more

hrag · 25th June 2008, 10:41

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Originally Posted by Bridge

No. Xeta LPG, GLE and GLS both are 1.2 and not 1.4. Besides, I think if it were 1.4 the FE could have been less.

You're right in saying that the 1.4 would be less fuel efficient. The 1.2 is slightly sluggish (in my opinion) with the A/C and the 1.4 is just so much easier to drive thanks to the extra power over the 1.2

Bridge · 25th June 2008, 16:24

I fully agree with this comparision between LPG and Diesel. I had a Maruti 800 with LPG and I have seen prices going up. In Mar-Apr 2005 the prices of LPG were arround 22-24 Rs. which is now 36 Rs. Diesel is more stable.

But the only thing is that I have Indica DLE also at my native and I know the heavyness. I am a bit tired of handling diesel car. After 5 years now the car vibrates. I guess, in GLS these will not be the problem.

vinit.merchant · 25th June 2008, 21:51

The Xeta Lpg GLE/GLS are 1.2 and the output as mentioned in the Brochure is 48KW@5000rpm for Petrol and 45.5KW@5000rpm for LPG.

Does this mean 48 / 45.5 BHP?

In that case, the car is absolutely underpowered and a would be a headache to drive in Traffic.

greenhorn · 25th June 2008, 22:13

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Originally Posted by Bridge

But the only thing is that I have Indica DLE also at my native and I know the heavyness. I am a bit tired of handling diesel car. After 5 years now the car vibrates. I guess, in GLS these will not be the problem.

The DLE having no power steering would obviously feel heavier. the DLS version(since it does have PS) isnt any harder to drive than a Xeta GLS....

Bridge · 26th June 2008, 12:18

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Originally Posted by vinit.merchant

The Xeta Lpg GLE/GLS are 1.2 and the output as mentioned in the Brochure is 48KW@5000rpm for Petrol and 45.5KW@5000rpm for LPG.

Does this mean 48 / 45.5 BHP?

In that case, the car is absolutely underpowered and a would be a headache to drive in Traffic.

Well... I am not very knowledgeable on this but when I took test drive I didnt feel that the car was underpowered. I took the TD in very heavy traffic where there were two busy signals the AC was on and I didnt even felt that the pickup was dropped.

For my understanding can you tell me what is the BHP of Maruti 800, WagonR and Indica DLE ? This would give me a perspective to understand the figures of 48/45.5 BHP.

hrag · 26th June 2008, 13:13

The Xeta 1.2 and the Indigo CS petrol are both around 65 BHP. The LPG may be slightly lower by a couple of BHP.

greenhorn · 26th June 2008, 23:30

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Originally Posted by Bridge

For my understanding can you tell me what is the BHP of Maruti 800, WagonR and Indica DLE ? This would give me a perspective to understand the figures of 48/45.5 BHP.

Indica Xeta 1.2 64 bhp, 102Nm @2600Rpm
Wagon R, 62 Bhp 84Nm @ 3500Rpm
M800 37Bhp, 59Nm @ 2500Rpm
Santro 63Nhp, 96Nm@300Rpm

The indica makes more torque , at lower RPM, than all the other cars in this segment, i think that's what makes it feel less underpowered in the city !

punterccrx8s · 27th June 2008, 08:23

Alto is a very small car.It can barely seat four comfortably.I say you go for the xeta.And the passenger next to the driver will be suffering because of lack of space and legroom.

Bridge · 7th July 2008, 12:59

The price difference between Xeta Petrol and LPG (both DLS) is more than 44k. Does it make sense ?

nirmalkumar · 8th July 2008, 17:01

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Originally Posted by sriturl

I feel that Auto LPG prices would be more stable as compared to Diesel.
Didn't drive any LPG vehicle till now, but I feel Xeta makes more sense, at least because of more powerful engine Zeta has to offer than Alto.

I have done the calculation for 5 years.Please have a look at it

greenhorn · 8th July 2008, 17:36

at those rates , even an indica turbo/dicor makes sense, and I'm glad I made the right choice, and feel gladder every price hike

PS: I dont find the Xeta LPG rates very sensible , especially since its diesel cousin is only slighly pricier

Bridge · 28th July 2008, 14:47

I am delaying my decision to buy a car. This is because I assume that in a month or two (max by Diwali) the prices in small car segment will crash. So continuing my search...

Now, as per the recent news in news papers, Pune will have CNG in a month. There was a news that atleast 10 CNG pumps are coming up in Pune. So again I am having plenty of questions on the plenty of options.

Basically I am from Ahmedabad where CNG in cars have become almost a norm because of tremendeous cost saving.

So following are the questions in my mind:
1. What I understand from other threads, Xeta had an option of installing CNG kit from Shrimankar and still the warranty continues. But No indica comes with Factory-Fitted-CNG-Kit. Is this true ?

2. The current price of a CNG kit is approx. 70k. at Shrimankar (in Ahmedabad) and the CNG is Rs. 23/Kg. considering the FE of 1.5 times the petrol, is Xeta with CNG makes sense or Alto with 18Km/Ltr on petrol makes sense. Alto LXi is 3.11L, Xeta GLS petrol 2.96L, Xeta LPG GLS 3.37L - all are on road prices after all discounts.

3. I inquired at B U Bhandari, but they have no idea about the price of Xeta with CNG. Can anybody tell me what are current prices in other cities.

4. Is there any other option in small car segment where factory fitted CNG available ? Any upcoming car/model ?

5. I learned from other threads that Xeta on CNG caused many problems but those were of 2006 threads and it is clear that those where open-loop kits. How about the current technology of closed-loop ?

DCEite · 28th July 2008, 16:14

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Originally Posted by greenhorn

Indica Xeta 1.2 64 bhp, 102Nm @2600Rpm
Wagon R, 62 Bhp 84Nm @ 3500Rpm
M800 37Bhp, 59Nm @ 2500Rpm
Santro 63Nhp, 96Nm@300Rpm

The indica makes more torque , at lower RPM, than all the other cars in this segment, i think that's what makes it feel less underpowered in the city !

Slight correction
WagonR is 64 bhp, not 62..

24th June 2008, 18:07	#106
Bridge BHPian Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Pune Posts: 43 Thanked: 4 Times	No. Xeta LPG, GLE and GLS both are 1.2 and not 1.4. Besides, I think if it were 1.4 the FE could have been less.
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25th June 2008, 16:24	#109
Bridge BHPian Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Pune Posts: 43 Thanked: 4 Times	I fully agree with this comparision between LPG and Diesel. I had a Maruti 800 with LPG and I have seen prices going up. In Mar-Apr 2005 the prices of LPG were arround 22-24 Rs. which is now 36 Rs. Diesel is more stable. But the only thing is that I have Indica DLE also at my native and I know the heavyness. I am a bit tired of handling diesel car. After 5 years now the car vibrates. I guess, in GLS these will not be the problem.
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25th June 2008, 21:51	#110
vinit.merchant Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Pune Posts: 1,230 Thanked: 1,234 Times View My Garage	The Xeta Lpg GLE/GLS are 1.2 and the output as mentioned in the Brochure is 48KW@5000rpm for Petrol and 45.5KW@5000rpm for LPG. Does this mean 48 / 45.5 BHP? In that case, the car is absolutely underpowered and a would be a headache to drive in Traffic.
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26th June 2008, 13:13	#113
hrag BANNED Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Bangalore / Madras Posts: 1,982 Thanked: 31 Times	The Xeta 1.2 and the Indigo CS petrol are both around 65 BHP. The LPG may be slightly lower by a couple of BHP. Last edited by hrag : 26th June 2008 at 13:14.
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27th June 2008, 08:23	#115
punterccrx8s BHPian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Bangalore Posts: 760 Thanked: 170 Times	Alto is a very small car.It can barely seat four comfortably.I say you go for the xeta.And the passenger next to the driver will be suffering because of lack of space and legroom.
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7th July 2008, 12:59	#116
Bridge BHPian Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Pune Posts: 43 Thanked: 4 Times	The price difference between Xeta Petrol and LPG (both DLS) is more than 44k. Does it make sense ?
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8th July 2008, 17:36	#118
greenhorn Senior - BHPian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: KL-01 Posts: 7,745 Thanked: 4,401 Times View My Garage	at those rates , even an indica turbo/dicor makes sense, and I'm glad I made the right choice, and feel gladder every price hike PS: I dont find the Xeta LPG rates very sensible , especially since its diesel cousin is only slighly pricier Last edited by greenhorn : 8th July 2008 at 17:37.
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28th July 2008, 14:47	#119
Bridge BHPian Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Pune Posts: 43 Thanked: 4 Times	I am delaying my decision to buy a car. This is because I assume that in a month or two (max by Diwali) the prices in small car segment will crash. So continuing my search... Now, as per the recent news in news papers, Pune will have CNG in a month. There was a news that atleast 10 CNG pumps are coming up in Pune. So again I am having plenty of questions on the plenty of options. Basically I am from Ahmedabad where CNG in cars have become almost a norm because of tremendeous cost saving. So following are the questions in my mind: 1. What I understand from other threads, Xeta had an option of installing CNG kit from Shrimankar and still the warranty continues. But No indica comes with Factory-Fitted-CNG-Kit. Is this true ? 2. The current price of a CNG kit is approx. 70k. at Shrimankar (in Ahmedabad) and the CNG is Rs. 23/Kg. considering the FE of 1.5 times the petrol, is Xeta with CNG makes sense or Alto with 18Km/Ltr on petrol makes sense. Alto LXi is 3.11L, Xeta GLS petrol 2.96L, Xeta LPG GLS 3.37L - all are on road prices after all discounts. 3. I inquired at B U Bhandari, but they have no idea about the price of Xeta with CNG. Can anybody tell me what are current prices in other cities. 4. Is there any other option in small car segment where factory fitted CNG available ? Any upcoming car/model ? 5. I learned from other threads that Xeta on CNG caused many problems but those were of 2006 threads and it is clear that those where open-loop kits. How about the current technology of closed-loop ?
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