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26th January 2015, 00:30 | #91 | |
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| Re: Scoop - Fiat Punto Evo T-Jet coming up! Quote:
The Punto's chassis is sorted, and the T-Jet will be pretty quick, I'm sure. However, as a package, the Polo GT is the more rounded car I believe. It may not handle as sweetly and it may be 10 hp down on the T-Jet, but the compliant suspension keeps the Polo composed and the quick-shifting DSG helps regain lost time. Assuming the Punto T-Jet will be priced at 9 lakhs (on the road - Bangalore), it may be cheaper than the GT TSI, but the DSG is easily worth the premium. It may not be the 'true enthusiast's choice', but neither is a rubbery / notchy gearbox. Besides, a mild remap and suspension mods will see the GT run circles around the T-Jet. C'mon Fiat, give us the Indian-ised Abarth that people were talking about! Last edited by suhaas307 : 26th January 2015 at 00:31. | |
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26th January 2015, 01:17 | #92 | |
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| Re: Scoop - Fiat Punto Evo T-Jet coming up! Quote:
The Polo Tsi on the other hand feels like a product that has been well planned and produced. The Tsi just feels better in many ways and after the test drive I didn't speak to the SA beyond "here's my money, get me the car ASAP". I wish FIAT had bought in the 1.6Mjd with the linea or if the Punto is plonked with the 1.6Mjd now that will be a real GT. 290Nm of Torque sigh all I can do is dream for now!! | |
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26th January 2015, 01:47 | #93 | ||||||||
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However I'm confused that you are contradicting yourself. I'm sure you might be remembering these old times? They say the internet doesn't forget even if you do! http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/long-t...nder-read.html Quote:
I'm not sure if my Punto will take me to Leh or not, but after 97,000 kms of proper maintenance and city usage- my Maruti WagonR sure felt like it had been to Ladakh and back. Whereas the Punto feels so fresh and rejuvenating in comparison after 82k kms, and for this reason - I might consider FIAT for my next purchase whenever that happens. Quote:
The first exclusive FIAT dealership was opened in May 2012. The company now has 116 dealerships with 113 service centers. But what do they sell in these dealerships, if not for new attempts like the Punto Evo TJet? And then you say - Quote:
You want dealerships, you dont want them to introduce/sell cars, and you dont want the dealerships to close down because they are not introducing/ selling cars? Contradicting thoughts again IMO. Now that is one point nobody can contradict. And that - is the only USP for this car. ONLY. It doesn't have the brand name of a Jazz, the convenience of an automatic DSG, the interior quality of the Elite, nor the value for money of the Zest. But it surely will plaster a wider smile on your face than any other car south of 15L. Let's see how many will purchase a car for that USP. Fingers crossed. Quote:
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Have you seen the figures a simple remapped TJet is capable of? Both are turbo petrols, and even the 1.4 has a lot more potential waiting to be unleashed, not to mention the potential tweaks that could trickle down from the Abarth range (If FIAT wakes up and introduces them). My RD Punto 90hp can give a tough fight to the current GT TDi. May be even outpace it. But whats the point? Even the GT can be modified to gain back the advantage now, isn't it so? So better we stick to comparing stock cars. Last edited by CrAzY dRiVeR : 26th January 2015 at 02:12. | ||||||||
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26th January 2015, 03:27 | #94 |
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| Re: Scoop - Fiat Punto Evo T-Jet coming up! Everyone who wrote and read this post, Thanx for the interest and "bashing" Fiat and their Fantastic cars once again! I would like to know how many of you who contributed to this Exciting post is an owner or has extensively used (not only driven) a FIAT car? What I have read in zillion posts about Fiat is bashing for everything this company does or does not do. However, how many of you has actually experienced the Fiat product and service? This gets me to think what does this crowd actually want? A perfect car! isnt it? However why only Fiat? I, in my many years of being a Team Bhp'er, avidly reading every word and seeing most of the posted photos in a posts, never have seen any other company/car being cribbed and bashed about as much as a Fiat and their splendid cars. Is it their Love or Envy towards a Fiat? Is one to understand that all other manufactures have provided the best car on this planet only for us Indians? And this is why the beautifully presented monthly sales charts show others except Fiat doing tremendous business? Yes, numbers are hopeless, no doubt about that, and why would they not be, majority of the public as described by many have the "herd mentality" plus to add there are more negative marketing done in many different platforms including (word of mouth, advice of a know all car guru/advisor who does not even know the abbr. of Bhp let alone any other aspects of a car, then the magazines - less we talk of them the better as I am glad to say, we all agree that they pen down what generally is convenient to them, Non owners of Fiat - they are certainly more than owners, (I have heard ranting about Fiat dumping Italian crap into our lovely country, and strongly advice likes of other cars which use Multijet engine to be best in terms of engine, power and mileage!) without being aware of the truth. This has happened an many occasions and am sure you have have heard such talks too. Let focus on the Fiat Owners share their experiences about the company, car, service, support be it - Bad, Worse, Horrible, Great, Pleasant, Superb, Excellent, Impressive. These owners have had horrible to amazing experiences to share which I am confident are at par or better than many of the other manufactures. Also, to note, even mathematics does its share of damage - other cars are sold in lakhs so even a few thousand negative points make an extremely small dent or impact. however, for Fiat - has sales of thousand cars and even ten negative shows a huge impact. So projecting a different picture. Fiat has always cared for their patrons, sometimes some a bit less than the others, I have experienced a bit of pain and lot of care and attention from the company in terms of interactions, support and I am "mango man" and not a vip of any sorts in the society, yet always a Fiat car makes me feel special and the Fiat company does treat me as a VIP. If there is a demand of more details, then we will be reading another post . For now let's rejoice the possibility of the T-jet Punto getting into our market and a lucky few get to be neighbours envy now shall we? |
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26th January 2015, 09:01 | #95 | |
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| Re: Scoop - Fiat Punto Evo T-Jet coming up! Quote:
Of course the prices are merely speculative, but it's fairly reasonable to expect the T-Jet to be priced around the 9 lakhs (on the road B'lore) mark. Last edited by suhaas307 : 26th January 2015 at 09:03. | |
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26th January 2015, 09:23 | #96 | ||
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0-100 kmph dash I have done on my own T-Jet with a vbox and it is around 10.1-10.2 seconds on an accurate run no matter how hard we tried even with expert launchers, and not 9.8 secs as quoted on the OP's post. Maybe a Punto with 130 kg less might breach the 10 second barrier, but a Linea T-Jet is definitely going to take a little more than 10 seconds to get there, 9.87 is wrong if it is the Linea. These two cars will cater to different sections within the enthusiast segment itself and can co-exist. While I myself would prefer the GT TSI and its auto tranny for its urban practicality today if I were to be in the market, an outright enthusiast with a zest for manual box cars would never be satisfied with a tiptronic +/- override option over a conventional manual stick shifter. This without yet considering the DSG scares and VW warranty scares/maintenance costs in the picture, besides the 1.5L premium at purchase time. Last edited by KarthikK : 26th January 2015 at 09:28. | ||
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26th January 2015, 09:32 | #97 | ||||
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This car won't be a crowd puller even if Fiat really pimp it out apart from the T Jet heart. The few who know about it will buy this car. I can say that there will be less than a handful of buyers even from this forum. Quote:
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If it is not asking too much, all round disc brakes, an all black leather interior, a nice set of 16" or bigger rims, ESP or some other additional safety kit will be nice to have. How about a 3 door edition Fiat India? Oh wait, I am asking too much already. A little weight reduction will help too. Last edited by sandeepmohan : 26th January 2015 at 09:35. | ||||
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26th January 2015, 10:27 | #98 | |||||||
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| Re: Scoop - Fiat Punto Evo T-Jet coming up! Quote:
For example 1) Entire clutch,pressure plate,flywheel changed at 20 thousand kilometers because of it juddering. Name one company which does that ? 2) Entire Steering Assembly changed under warranty at 54 thousand kilometers because it made a slight kat kat noise. It costs a whooping 27 thousand. 3) Turbo changed at 60 thousand kilometers because my warranty was getting over and they thought the slight hiss in the turbo maybe might develop into something big in the later part of the car's life. Since my warranty would get over then and I would have to pay, they thought it was best to change it under warranty. When the service station is willing and the company is more than willing to sort out something wrong in your car, that is when someone get's a confidence in buying a product from that company. My car had a lot going wrong for it when it was new, If it was a Volkswagen/Skoda or a FIAT then what would have happened ? http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/techni...57000-kms.html I can list many, but you would know most of them anyway. Touchwood since many years now, my car is more reliable than it was when it was brand new. Yes the internet never forgets, but there is a gap of 6 years between when I started the thread in 2008 to now in 2014, when you are the heat of the moment of getting a new car opened many times, its disheartening, but looking back it now, Maruti handled it like a pro and I could have not asked for me. When it comes to getting something fixed in warranty, I would know I don't have to 'fight' with anyone. That is called 'peace of mind' Quote:
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26th January 2015, 11:38 | #99 |
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| Re: Scoop - Fiat Punto Evo T-Jet coming up! If fiat sold as many cars as the number of participants in this thread, they would be doing better than VW or skoda. I bought a used T-jet and took it for a 700 km trip - since it was long, I had a on call driver who works as a test driver for honda. As soon as he touched the gear lever and the steering, his remark was ' this car is so much more difficult to drive". Gears are notchy, clutch play is long but all such thoughts vanished once we hit the expressway where at 100 kmph, linea felt rock solid and braking was superlative (I never go above 100 to ensure pedestrian safety). His view was in an era where more cars are being chaufffer driven, in city driving is becoming a chore and snob value seems to matter more than driving pleasure, I think it's going to be a hard grind for fiat. Think of it, handling/feedback/stability are things that 99.5% of owners do not understand. They want a brand, japanese reliability, mileage and back seat space. |
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26th January 2015, 11:40 | #100 | ||||||||||
Distinguished - BHPian | Re: Scoop - Fiat Punto Evo T-Jet coming up! I have been a silent reader of most threads of late. More so with the ones related to Fiat. Reason - Very little value add with mindless bashing from non owners quoting a few threads and conveniently ignore the same company going out of the way to resolve issues, though in a few cases a little more time was taken to resolve it. Quote:
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For anyone to be very balanced and not biased, they should post the ones were Fiat has gone out of the way to sort things out, not just link to issue threads. Then one is talking about both positives and negatives. Else its for all to see what the intent behind such posts are. I for one have seen a couple of cars getting their engines done up at Fiat's cost. I know one bhpian who got it done. I would let him comment on it than me speak for it. The other one is not a bhpian (he isn't even aware of teambhp) so obviously he cant post about it. I certainly do not know about Maruti, Hyundai, Honda, Volkswagen or Skoda. Certainly, Fiat does try to go very much out of the way and take cost on them even though they legally need not. Quote:
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26th January 2015, 12:31 | #101 | |
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| Re: Scoop - Fiat Punto Evo T-Jet coming up! Quote:
Most of the FIAT bashing in our forum do start with other brand car owners coming and criticizing even a humble step FIAT takes to survive in the industry. Then it goes on and on and that is exactly happening here. | |
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| Re: Scoop - Fiat Punto Evo T-Jet coming up! Okay, since we are going off topic and mods have already warned I won't go militant with quoting nkrishnap's reply. Like I have said it before, I will say it again, I would love to buy a Fiat, I have driven many including the Tjet which I liked too, but I would never buy one until the service factor and reliability is sorted, I keep a car for atleast 8 to 10 years at the minimum and after the warranty expires, I can't let myself be harassed for anything. Secondly I have not seen a single thread on team-bhp with any version of any Linea/Punto run 1.50 lakh kilometers and there are quite a few people threads running, so I will take that statement with a pinch of salt. I have seen quite a few of the 'other' brand though. It rattles yeah but chugs on. Happy buying, I was not bashing your beloved Fiat, just stating the permutation and combination of the entire Tjet + Fiat being not to the liking. I guess I should keep away from Fiat threads Last edited by humyum : 26th January 2015 at 13:49. |
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--------- I don't think the Punto TJet will bring in a huge change to Fiat's market position in India, but it indeed will be a great option for the Indian car buyer to choose from. | |
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26th January 2015, 14:27 | #104 |
Senior - BHPian | Re: Scoop - Fiat Punto Evo T-Jet coming up! Exactly. Everything will remain unchanged, except that very few enthusiasts will get to enjoy a really nice turbo petrol engine on a hatchback which is fun to drive. |
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