[amit]

Originally Posted by geeash

that is because they have stopped selling swift ever since the launch of ritz on the pretext of getting a new engine

This means Maruti is indirectly forcing people to buy the Ritz Petrol in which case we can't say that demand for petrol is more then diesel. One more reason could be that profits on the diesel aren't much (Royalty to Fiat?) or that Maruti wants to recover the cost of developing the new K series engine fast so what better way then to pull the plug on the petrol variant of your best seller and push prospective buyers onto the Ritz petrol.

[nurni76]

Originally Posted by amit

This means Maruti is indirectly forcing people to buy the Ritz Petrol in which case we can't say that demand for petrol is more then diesel. One more reason could be that profits on the diesel aren't much (Royalty to Fiat?) or that Maruti wants to recover the cost of developing the new K series engine fast so what better way then to pull the plug on the petrol variant of your best seller and push prospective buyers onto the Ritz petrol.

Whatever the reason, demand for petrol is huge.They are definitely not promoting the petrol sales in Ritz. Ritz now has started advertising specifically the DDiS engine, with a small text in the ad saying also available in petrol

[MIG Piscean]

I have been eagerly following this thread, infact this is my first post. I am contemplating for a premium hatch back and since then waiting to know whether the Swift is getting updated soon. Ritz users have been reporting a mileage of around 15Km/l and this is pulling me towards the Ritz whereas I vouch for Swift looks. Hoping to get some reliable information soon

[ownerofazkaban]

Sales ppl have been pushing back on Ritz zxi quoting 8 weeks delay and pushing VDi.

VDI is Ritz is a bit letdown on feature/pricing front compared to Ritz Petrol.
1. integrated music system
2. air bags
3. alloy wheels
4. larger tyres
5. keyless netry
6. rear wiper
7. rear de-fogger

Only up side is 20+ milage, but that doesn't compensate easily for the huge pice gap with Ritz Petrol.

[jp2u]

is the ALTO getting a new K-series engine with some facelift ? heard they might be launching a facelifted alto with the BSIV norms early 2010

[vijaythacker]

Originally Posted by jp2u

is the ALTO getting a new K-series engine with some facelift ? heard they might be launching a facelifted alto with the BSIV norms early 2010

current alto getting facelift is a news now, but possible with MSL.

[aaggoswami]

Came across this news stating that the K series is coming in both Wagon R and Alto.

Source : Maruti to launch Alto, Wagon R with new generation engine- Automobiles-Auto-News By Industry-News-The Economic Times

Article :

NEW DELHI: The country's largest car maker Maruti Suzuki
will launch two of its best selling models -- Alto and Wagon R, with a new generation
engine as it prepares to meet April 2010 deadline of stricter emission norm.

According to industry sources, the company will discontinue the old F-series engines in both Alto and Wagon R and replace them with its new K-series engine, which is Bharat Stage IV complaint.

When contacted a Maruti Suzuki India (MSI) spokesperson said, "the successful K series engines will be mounted on more models in a phased manner," without specifying details and timeline for the change in engines.

Alto is MSI's best selling model. In November last year it crossed one-million mark in domestic market, while Wagon R also accounted for a good number to its compact car sales.

The company's newer models such A-Star, Ritz and the new Estilo are powered by K-series engines, which the company claims are more fuel efficient and have lesser emission.

With 11 cities in India scheduled to move to stricter Bharat Stage (BS) IV emission norms from the current BS III by April next year, MSI has been preparing itself for the change.

It has already upgraded its mid-sized sedan SX4 to make it BS IV compatible and it will be shortly launched in the market. A similar upgradation for premium compact car Swift and entry-level sedan DZire is also on the cards but the company has decided not to upgrade its oldest model M800 to meet the new emission norms.

@mods : If any appropriate thread is found, merge this thread with it.

[BhaskarKumar]

Any official news when the Alto will be launch with K Series engine and what specifications

[aaggoswami]

Originally Posted by BhaskarKumar

Any official news when the Alto will be launch with K Series engine and what specifications

NO. There is no official news on this part yet. The E-IV norms are going to be implemented in April I think, so before that no changes will be brought. Next, Maruti is trying to get the F series motors E-IV complaint, but its not so easy, so as others are expecting, mostly Alto with K series motor will be there for E-IV.

Expect Alto with K series to be seen at Auto Expo.

[longhorn]

IMO the big question is whether the Maruti 800 and Omni will be discontinued from April 2010 or not due to crash norms. If yes, then the Alto is more likely to get the K series unit from the AStar. If no, then they will tune the F8D motor to meet the Euro IV norms.

[harishnair]

I may be wrong ,but wasn't the Alto with the F10A motor sold in some European countries until recently, which means they should have been Euro-4 compliant. So there is a high possibility that the F8D or F10A motor can be upgraded to comply with the BS IV emission norms.

[sharma_sanjeevi]

Sometime back, there was news that, instead of discontinuing, M-800 will be BS-IV compliant. Will this be the same engine which is doing duty in the current car or will it be a new engine.

Any News ? Anybody.

[aaggoswami]

Originally Posted by sharma_sanjeevi

Sometime back, there was news that, instead of discontinuing, M-800 will be BS-IV compliant. Will this be the same engine which is doing duty in the current car or will it be a new engine.

Any News ? Anybody.

From the past, IIRC, there are repeated statements whether 800 will continue or not. Maruti has made many statements for its K series and also announced that the K series will be put in almost all small cars. Then we had the news that Maurti is trying real hard to tune F series in Wagon R and 800/omni for E-IV.

Later, again the K-series in many model statements. So the picture is not yet clear. There were news for M800 being discontinued before 2010 for safety and emession norms, but this never happened.

So honestly speaking, wait till Auto Expo where the picture will be clear. Right now the picture is not clear.

[longhorn]

Originally Posted by sharma_sanjeevi

Sometime back, there was news that, instead of discontinuing, M-800 will be BS-IV compliant. Will this be the same engine which is doing duty in the current car or will it be a new engine.

Any News ? Anybody.

The 800 is not going to get a new engine. Either the existing engine (F8D)will be tuned to meet Euro IV norms or they will stop selling the car either totally or atleast in Euro IV cities.

[sharma_sanjeevi]

Originally Posted by aaggoswami

From the past, IIRC, there are repeated statements whether 800 will continue or not. Maruti has made many statements for its K series and also announced that the K series will be put in almost all small cars. Then we had the news that Maurti is trying real hard to tune F series in Wagon R and 800/omni for E-IV.

Later, again the K-series in many model statements. So the picture is not yet clear. There were news for M800 being discontinued before 2010 for safety and emession norms, but this never happened.

So honestly speaking, wait till Auto Expo where the picture will be clear. Right now the picture is not clear.

Originally Posted by longhorn

The 800 is not going to get a new engine. Either the existing engine (F8D)will be tuned to meet Euro IV norms or they will stop selling the car either totally or atleast in Euro IV cities.

Thanks for the information Guys.

@Longhorn,

AFAIK, there were talks of the re-tuning the current engine for the BS-IV for all cities, there was no mention of the city wise thingy, anyways, lets see how things progress, i think we should come to know in the 2010 Auto Expo as suggested by aaggoswami.