Official Guess the car Thread (Please see rules on first page!)

Ram · 14th August 2008, 05:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by jayz

ID:517 guess this one

Yes, it's an AWZ P70 (AWZ stands for Automobilwerk Zwickau).
Predecessor of the Trabant. Good tough one, jayz!

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This coupe was made from 1957 to 1959. The production run produced 1,500 cars altogether.

One expects microcars like this to have an air-cooled engine, but this baby had a two-cylinder two-stroke 690 cc thermo-siphon water-cooled engine that put out a max. of 22 bhp @ 3500 rpm.

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Strangely, despite a massive looking radiator mounted at the rear of the engine compartment, there is no engine driven cooling fan.
Also notice that each spark plug has its own ignition coil.
A 32 litre fuel tank shared engine compartment space, with the dimunitive engine.

It had front wheel drive through a three-speed non-synchromesh transaxle.

The body was a wooden box frame with bolted plastic fenders and metal bonnet, doors and roof.

Mechanicals included Rack and pinion steering and would you believe it -- mechanical (non-hydraulic) cable-operated drum brakes?

Ram

jayz · 14th August 2008, 22:17

Well caught guys, it is the AWZ P70 Coupe.

Here's another one
ID:518

Cyrus43 · 17th August 2008, 00:15

ID:519

Guess this one.

Ram · 17th August 2008, 01:39

ID:519 is a 1957 Steyr-Puch 500 AS.

Cyrus43 · 17th August 2008, 11:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ram

ID:519 is a 1957 Steyr-Puch 500 AS.

ahh!! you are just impossible to stump ram. Yes, it is a STEYR-PUCH 500!!!

jayz · 18th August 2008, 23:45

Sorry guys ID:518 is a prototype.

Mods,could you please remove ID:518,it dosen't belong in here.

SirAlec · 19th August 2008, 01:41

ID:520
which car is this. mention the exact name.

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Ram · 19th August 2008, 06:14

ID:520 is a 1959 Toyopet Crown Custom with rear suicide rear doors. Its tailfins aped automotive America of the late ’fifties.

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Toyota Motor was started by the Toyoda family of Japan. They used the brand Toyopet, briefly around the turn of the ’sixties.

In 1955, Toyota’s Toyopet Crown, was the first Japanese-designed family car.

It had a ladder chassis and double wishbone coil-sprung front suspension, three-leaf springs at the rear and rear-wheel drive.

Its conventional 4-cylinder 1897 cc OHV engine put out 77 BHP @ 5000 rpm (like a Cielo). But that was too weak an engine for too heavy a car.

The Japanese copied American-style body-design hoping that Americans would buy it.

Toyota's advertising touted its "World's greatest automotive value" [sic].

The ad copy proclaimed, "The measure of value for 1959 has already been set: room and comfort plus economy. Toyopet offers four-door entry convenience ... the comfortable ride of a big car ... and still, Toyopet is inexpensive to operate and maintain. This is value unattained in any other automobile ... regardless of price. Here’s an original 1959 ad.

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America was not impressed. Americans found the Toyopets to be cheap cars with mediocre acceleration and handling
compared to their 1950s, V8 Chevrolets and Studebakers.

OT:
Japan back then, was known as a producer of cheap, inferior goods (like China today).

The 50-year old Prof. William Deming taught Japanese top management, statistical process control and techniques to improve design, service, product quality, testing and sales.

Japan version 2, won global acclaim for innovative high-quality products and grew in economic power. Naturally they made him a hero.

Only when Japan became synonymous with quality, could they win over the American market.

karlosdeville · 19th August 2008, 10:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ram

ID:520 is a 1959 Toyopet Crown Custom with rear suicide rear doors.

If Im not mistaken, this car has already been featured in this thread in the past.

Ram · 19th August 2008, 14:01

Some food for thought: Is the game about being the first to post every possible car, once and only once, regardless of view and close the thread when we're all done?

Life's like that, friends. Reflect on it for a moment.

Life's "Ship of Theseus" paradox. Does the post of a car in a different image and a different point of view, with the different thoughts of a different Team-BHPian behind it, hold the right fundamentally, to the same unique pecking order in the thread.

There's a periodicity to concepts and a sense of Déjà vu

Over time, people change, memories fade, new thoughts spring up. it's always refreshing. There are always different thoughts to share, different viewpoints and perspectives.

Heraclitus's river
The Greek philosopher Heraclitus stated his unusual view of identity.
He propounded that, one could never step into the same river twice -- it scattered and again came together, and approached and receded.
"Upon those who step into the same rivers, different and again different waters flow"

In the Toyopet case, opinions about Japan, their urge to play in the US market and statistical quality processes.

Don't we ignore the fading of novelty in clubs singing praises about the same brands and models, over and over again, holding events year after year in their honor. and celebrating different owners and cities and pointing out the same mismatched parts and registration numbers?

V-16 · 19th August 2008, 14:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by karlosdeville

If Im not mistaken, this car has already been featured in this thread in the past.

Yes sir, by yours truly!!

SirAlec · 19th August 2008, 15:06

Even if its a mod/custom! what exactly is a ID 518?
Thanks

jayz · 19th August 2008, 23:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by SirAlec

Even if its a mod/custom! what exactly is a ID 518?
Thanks

It is the Playboy made from 1946 to 1949 by the Playboy Motor Car Corporation.Around 97 Playboy cars were built but all of them were used for publicity and never offered for sale to the public.

More info PLAYBOY CARS - Home

ajmat · 20th August 2008, 09:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by jayz

It is the Playboy made from 1946 to 1949 by the Playboy Motor Car Corporation.Around 97 Playboy cars were built but all of them were used for publicity and never offered for sale to the public.

More info PLAYBOY CARS - Home

Errm, please read the rules for qualifying cars for this thread!

Ram · 20th August 2008, 22:51

ID:521

What's this red coupe?

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14th August 2008, 22:17	#2432
jayz BHPian Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bangalore Posts: 130 Thanked: 0 Times	Well caught guys, it is the AWZ P70 Coupe. Here's another one ID:518 Attached Thumbnails
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17th August 2008, 00:15	#2433
Cyrus43 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: London Posts: 5,019 Thanked: 230 Times View My Garage	ID:519 Guess this one. Attached Thumbnails
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17th August 2008, 01:39	#2434
Ram Senior - BHPian Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Singapore, Mumbai, Nagpur Posts: 2,166 Thanked: 223 Times View My Garage	ID:519; 1957 Steyr-Puch 500 AS. ID:519 is a 1957 Steyr-Puch 500 AS.
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18th August 2008, 23:45	#2436
jayz BHPian Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bangalore Posts: 130 Thanked: 0 Times	Sorry guys ID:518 is a prototype. Mods,could you please remove ID:518,it dosen't belong in here.
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19th August 2008, 01:41	#2437
SirAlec Senior - BHPian Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: zxc Posts: 3,395 Thanked: 727 Times	Id:520 ID:520 which car is this. mention the exact name.
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19th August 2008, 06:14	#2438
Ram Senior - BHPian Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Singapore, Mumbai, Nagpur Posts: 2,166 Thanked: 223 Times View My Garage	ID:520; 1959 Toyopet Crown Custom ID:520 is a 1959 Toyopet Crown Custom with rear suicide rear doors. Its tailfins aped automotive America of the late ’fifties. Toyota Motor was started by the Toyoda family of Japan. They used the brand Toyopet, briefly around the turn of the ’sixties. In 1955, Toyota’s Toyopet Crown, was the first Japanese-designed family car. It had a ladder chassis and double wishbone coil-sprung front suspension, three-leaf springs at the rear and rear-wheel drive. Its conventional 4-cylinder 1897 cc OHV engine put out 77 BHP @ 5000 rpm (like a Cielo). But that was too weak an engine for too heavy a car. The Japanese copied American-style body-design hoping that Americans would buy it. Toyota's advertising touted its "World's greatest automotive value" [sic]. The ad copy proclaimed, "The measure of value for 1959 has already been set: room and comfort plus economy. Toyopet offers four-door entry convenience ... the comfortable ride of a big car ... and still, Toyopet is inexpensive to operate and maintain. This is value unattained in any other automobile ... regardless of price. Here’s an original 1959 ad. America was not impressed. Americans found the Toyopets to be cheap cars with mediocre acceleration and handling compared to their 1950s, V8 Chevrolets and Studebakers. OT: Japan back then, was known as a producer of cheap, inferior goods (like China today). The 50-year old Prof. William Deming taught Japanese top management, statistical process control and techniques to improve design, service, product quality, testing and sales. Japan version 2, won global acclaim for innovative high-quality products and grew in economic power. Naturally they made him a hero. Only when Japan became synonymous with quality, could they win over the American market.
	() Thanks

19th August 2008, 14:01	#2440
Ram Senior - BHPian Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Singapore, Mumbai, Nagpur Posts: 2,166 Thanked: 223 Times View My Garage	Some food for thought: Is the game about being the first to post every possible car, once and only once, regardless of view and close the thread when we're all done? Life's like that, friends. Reflect on it for a moment. Life's "Ship of Theseus" paradox. Does the post of a car in a different image and a different point of view, with the different thoughts of a different Team-BHPian behind it, hold the right fundamentally, to the same unique pecking order in the thread. There's a periodicity to concepts and a sense of Déjà vu Over time, people change, memories fade, new thoughts spring up. it's always refreshing. There are always different thoughts to share, different viewpoints and perspectives. Heraclitus's river The Greek philosopher Heraclitus stated his unusual view of identity. He propounded that, one could never step into the same river twice -- it scattered and again came together, and approached and receded. "Upon those who step into the same rivers, different and again different waters flow" In the Toyopet case, opinions about Japan, their urge to play in the US market and statistical quality processes. Don't we ignore the fading of novelty in clubs singing praises about the same brands and models, over and over again, holding events year after year in their honor. and celebrating different owners and cities and pointing out the same mismatched parts and registration numbers?
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19th August 2008, 15:06	#2442
SirAlec Senior - BHPian Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: zxc Posts: 3,395 Thanked: 727 Times	Even if its a mod/custom! what exactly is a ID 518? Thanks
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20th August 2008, 22:51	#2445
Ram Senior - BHPian Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Singapore, Mumbai, Nagpur Posts: 2,166 Thanked: 223 Times View My Garage	Id:521 ID:521 What's this red coupe?
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