[agspins]

As fast as it can get......nice one..
ID 554:1959 Lloyd Alexander TS

[Ram]

ID:555
Fellow car people, can you identify this classic green car from its innards?
I'm sure some of our friends know cars so well, we'll have a positive ID in no time.

The Marque will be easiest to identify. The model for the more expert.

[karlosdeville]

Originally Posted by Ram

ID:555
Fellow car people, can you identify this classic green car from its innards?
I'm sure some of our friends know cars so well, we'll have a positive ID in no time.

The Marque will be easiest to identify. The model for the more expert

That is an early Citroen DS, with the earlier style dash and single round headlights.

[V-16]

Definately a Citroen with its unmistakable single spoke steering wheel hallmark. This is definately a DS. I would hazard a guess that it would be an early 60s say 61-65 say, prior to 61 the dash was a bit different.

The gear lever, another oddity was connected to a four speed semi automatic gearbox without a clutch, where changes were made by hydraulic servos . The driver simply moved his foot of the gas and gently moved the lever to the next position along the gate (one could also achieve this in the fluid drive Desotos and the like, of late forties.)

The DS was all about style. This Bertone designed car was a cult design icon and was a natural choice for big wigs.

The Citroen DS



Other DS facts and oddities: (courtesy netherland schaalbouw)

* The rear window of the DS was made of Plexi Glass during the first production years!
* The bonnet was made of aluminum (apart from the ID Normale) and also the trunk lid on the early DS models.
* The roof was either made of epoxy, aluminum (ID/DS) or steel (Break)
* The DS was a very early adopter of disk brakes (one of the first mass-production cars).
* The radiator fan and first dashboards (until september 1961) were made of Nylon, a very new material in 1955!
* The ball pins are exactly in the center of the front wheels. A big advantage when a front tire goes out-off air, you do not notice this in the steering of the car, even not at high speeds!
* The wheel spacing between the front wheels is different from the spacing between the rear wheels.
* The wheelbase differs with the height of the car and is extremely long for a car this size.
* Different sizes of tires were mounted front and rear (apart from the break and Injection types)
* The DS and Break model had a load adjusted braking mechanism reducing the risk of blocking wheels during breaking.
* All the body panels of a DS/ID can be taken off in a couple of minutes.
* The hydropneumatic suspension is used on certain Rolls Royce models from the 70's because even than (many years after the introduction of the DS) the hydropneumatic suspension of the ID/DS was still unbeaten.
* The car is self leveling independent of the load it has to carry, due to the hydropneumatic suspension and hydraulic levelig system.
* The post 1967 models (with the headlights behind glass) had two turning mechanisms (the simpler ID19 models had standard fixed headlights for a couple of years after 1967 but could order the mechanism as an option).
o One for turning the additional headlights to follow the direction of the wheels (so that the headlights illuminate the road ahead in bents)
o The main headlights are height corrected, depending on the height of the front and rear of the car.

[Ram]

Félicitacions, karlosdeville & V-16, you are both right.
ID:555 is a 1956 Citroën DS19, Also called ID19.

This green and ivory specimen is displayed at the Autostadt public museum...

...attached to the Volkswagen factory at Wolfsburg, Niedersachsen, Germany.
Get off at Wolfsburg railway station & walk 500 metres across the river bridge -- Stadtbrücke.

Dé-esse (pronunciation of DS) means Goddess in French. (hyphenation:mine) - the car was an instant sensation when it went on display at the Paris car show in 1955. During its two decades in production, nearly one-and-a-half million specimens were made.

French President Charles de Gaulle chose it for his presidential fleet. It was an inspired decision. In 1962, the Citroën DS saved Pres. de Gaulle's life in an OAS assassination bid outside Paris. The car could stay on the road at speed, despite two shot-out tyres! See the movie "Day of the Jackal (1973)"

Even today, sighting a DS is special! People stop, stare, and even wave, whether it in Rotterdam, Munich or Portland, Oregon.

Gogi, know any DS in India?

Its far out avant garde look was and still is futuristic and at the same time, aerodynamic.

It was designed by Italian sculptor and industrial designer Flaminio Bertoni.

Going from the front, rearwards, one encounters the gearbox, then differential and then the engine, although it's a front mounted engine. So the goddess is a really a mid-engine, front-wheel-drive car!

Citroën was owned by Michelin as an R&D establishment.

Ram

[iraghava]

I believe there are 2 in India if not more. Karl has posted pics of one some time back.

[karlosdeville]

Originally Posted by Ram

ID:555 is a 1956 Citroën DS19, Also called ID19.

I may be wrong, but I think the ID was a lower end version, while the DS had some more goodies.

This green and ivory specimen is displayed at the Autostadt public museum...

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...attached to the Volkswagen factory at Wolfsburg, Niedersachsen, Germany.

The car looked so familiar, yet I couldn't place it. I had personally seen and photographed this car at the Autostadt in 2005.

Gogi, know any DS in India

For that I recommend you visit this lovely site run by my friend Pierre.

Citroen DS in Asia

[Ram]

ID:556 Guess this car.

Actually I have two pictures differing only in model year.
Identify either one, or both.

Require Make, Model and Year.

[V-16]

ID:556 is a 1956 Skoda 440 Spartak
made between 1955 and 1959 in which year it developed into the first Octavia

[SirAlec]

Charles de Gaulle was one of the greatest fan of DS because it saved his life once.

[V-16]

Originally Posted by SirAlec

Charles de Gaulle was one of the greatest fan of DS because it saved his life once.

As mentioned by Ram, the Ds can be seen in the Day of the Jackal (older version).
Heres the trailer where the DS can be seen in the beggining of the trailer

YouTube - Trailer The Day of the Jackal

[SirAlec]

Originally Posted by V-16

As mentioned by Ram, the Ds can be seen in the Day of the Jackal (older version).
Heres the trailer where the DS can be seen in the beggining of the trailer
YouTube - Trailer The Day of the Jackal

Thank you very much!
i have the movie.

[Ram]

ID:557 Guess this tough four-wheel-drive car

[ram.west]

ID:557


If I'm correct its a 1941 Volvo Army Command Wagon.


The only one known to exist in the United States, was reportedly used by the Swiss Army to patrol the border with Germany during World War II. The four-wheel-drive vehicle, with each wheel able to function independently, was sold for $9,100.

[Ram]

Originally Posted by ram.west

ID:557
If I'm correct it's a 1941 Volvo Army Command Wagon.
The only one known to exist in the United States, was reportedly used by the Swiss Army to patrol the border with Germany during World War II. The four-wheel-drive vehicle, with each wheel able to function independently, was sold for $9,100.

No ram.west. It is not a World-War Two vehicle. It was developed a decade after that.

ID:557 is a 1956 Volvo TP21 (L2104) Sugga radio and command car.

It is a 4x4 radio and command vehicle built for the Swedish army.
Swedish soldiers know it affectionately as the "Sugga" meaning Sow--female pig.

Developed in 1952 by Volvo's truck department for Swedish defense forces, this sturdy and attractive 5 seater was produced until 1960. They put a modified Volvo PV800 taxi body on a toughened chassis.

The Swedish Armed Forces used this field car until about 1985.

This 3 ton car is powered by a flathead 3,670 cc 6-cylinder petrol engine developing 90 bhp @ 3600 rpm. It drives a 4-speed gearbox or 700R4 automatic transmission and 2-speed transfer case, It comes with a vaccuum operated rear differential lock.

About 720 cars were produced from 1953 to 1958. However most are 1956 models. Many have been preserved by European collectors.

It had a 10-inch ground clearance. The chassis was used also for TL11 and TL12 aircraft starter/towing vehicles (equipped by Penta, for starting jet fighter engines (like our de Havilland Vampire)); these had bigger 105 bhp and 115 bhp engines respectively.

Volvo TL-11 used to tow fighter aircraft

Ram