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29th January 2010, 12:12 | #31 | ||
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I don't expect any major dent to Toyota's reputation due to this. Luckily for Toyota, Consumer memory is short. Last edited by amit : 29th January 2010 at 12:15. | ||
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29th January 2010, 12:34 | #32 | |
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My point exactly! I've spoken about this in my earlier post! I don't understand this commitment that people are referring to! Toyota had better recall those vehicles. It's their duty for God's sake, it has nothing to do with commitment! There are several companies that recall several models time and again. It's not out of commitment or passion. It's about the duty and the obligation that they have to observe diligently as a car maker! Even the not-so-reliable companies are sometimes forced to recall their cars when the fault surfaces. And an issue as big as a faulty gas pedal needs to be addressed to very quickly! | |
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29th January 2010, 13:11 | #34 | ||
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2) Agree with you. This recall is not from commitment, but rather compulsion. Toyota earlier had issues with this sudden acceleration and initially blamed mats for this, next came in shape of pedals. This can be commitment, but the picture is not clear to me atleast. Here are links to this issue : Toyota responds to L.A. Times article — Autoblog Article : Quote:
Report: Toyota to take pedal recall global — Autoblog Report: Toyota was legally required to stop selling recalled models — Autoblog LA Times details Toyota history of concealing safety issues — Autoblog Last edited by aaggoswami : 29th January 2010 at 13:14. | ||
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29th January 2010, 17:50 | #35 |
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| The fact that NTSB forced Toyota to stop both production and sale, appears a little too much to impose on Toyota, who have always made high quality (read as safety and reliability) vehicles. My questions 1. Is it really that big a problem that Toyota needs time to fix ? Is it that big a design fault ? Very unlikely in my opinion, since I do not expect Toyota gas pedals to be so different from other manufacturers ? There is surely something else, either a major problem with Toyota vehicles, which is less likely(which is why people trust Toyota); or some political reasons. 2. How many crashes (possibly due to this issue) have been registered so far ? On a side note, when the car starts auto-accelerating, isn't easier for the driver to notice this and apply brakes ? Ofcourse I do understand that it causes panic, but it doesn't look (to me) so serious as to force the manufacturer to shutdown production/sales. 3. Do we similarly penalize manufacturers who make less reliable cars(compared to Toyota) that breakdown in the middle of the road causing accidents? If this really turns out to be a fault causing a lot of incidents, I think Toyota will be in lot of trouble, if not for long. BTW I dont own a Toyota; I own a Honda :-) Last edited by mkc15 : 29th January 2010 at 17:52. |
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29th January 2010, 17:57 | #36 |
Team-BHP Support | A serious life-threatening flaw. But what really SUCKS is Toyota's response time. The sticking accelerator issue has been reported since a couple of months now. IMPOSSIBLE that Toyota did not know about the occurrence / frequency of problem...in fact, they are the ones who would know about this issue first, thanks to customer reported complaints from their service centers. Sorry Toyota, you messed this one up real bad. Next time, wake up and smell the coffee an hour or two earlier. The lives of your customers is more important than worrying about a PR disaster. |
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29th January 2010, 18:14 | #37 | |
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29th January 2010, 18:34 | #38 |
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| Oops, just read through this article and realized that I had completely mistaken the issue. 'No brakes, speeding car' seems to be the issue. Well, then I take back my words. Sorry folks. |
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29th January 2010, 18:34 | #39 | |||
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Accelerator pedals worn? In 2009-2010 Toyota models is in itself a statement.Also it happens that toyota asked certain part suppliers to have a cost-cutting and has resulted in poor quality of parts. Maybe recession has caught up toyota,but this act will plummet their sales as well as financial charts. Toyota's Tylenol moment - Jan. 28, 2010 Quote:
P.S.: All Indian people owning a toyota 2009-10 corrola ,altis,camry should definitely get their accelerator mechanisms checked. | |||
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29th January 2010, 23:36 | #40 | |
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Also earlier Toyota used to make cruicial parts themselvs (You could see Toyoparts in old honda vehicles also ), but as the numbers gone up, Toyota started to rely on outside vendors for crucial parts also. In my opinion, dependance on outside vendors and reduction in quality control to reduce costs resulted in this. I still think Toyota is one the most reliable cars on Indian roads, but at the same time, feel sympathy for the Toyota owners who paid 1-2 lakh for just for the quality. Another issue is the psychological impact of this on the Toyota owner, one of my friends who owns a Toyota told me after reading all these news when he drives he gets the feeling that it is "auto accelerating" even though it is not and everything perfectly alright with his car. I am sure when the next big news comes out Media will ignore this and every thing will be alright after that. After all, we all got short memory... | |
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30th January 2010, 02:32 | #41 | |
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30th January 2010, 03:03 | #42 |
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| Toyota has a very powerful PR machinery and over time they'll try to brush this under the carpet. I would like to draw the attention of fellow teambhpians to look at the post aaagoswami pasted from the LA times. It shows that Toyota might have some really dirty secrets: a. The Sienna Minivan accelerator issue Newspaper - Asks about an issue with a 2003 Sienna minivan with an "accelerator" issue. What about the 20,000 odd Sienna's sold? Toyota - It happened on the dyno while testing, it was a plastic trim that was responsible. We checked around 200 Sienna in the warehouse and later re-designed the plastic bits. Point to note - Toyota admits that this actually happened. They they checked 200 vehicles (that's less than 1% as a sample size) and decided that a recall wasn't necessary. It makes my blood boil to see such a reaction, they should have immediately asked all Sienna owners to come in for a check and get it fixed. Who are they to decide that 200 is a good sample size! I believe Toyota should be sued for billions of dollars for something like this. b. It's a design issue, not a manufacturing one. Point to note - Toyota is trying to blame one of it's vendors for this. The vendor is vehemently denying this (I live in Kingston, Canada right now) and it is in the papers. You be the judge, but looking at the number of issues reported over the years, Toyota's has the highest percentage of such issues. It seems too much of a coincidence that this same vendor is responsible for issues across the range over a number of years. The floormat issue stinks even more, because that is certainly a design problem. Toyota's hand was forced, they had to recall the vehicles due to the weight of the law in the US. They will try to squirm their way out but rest assured a recall is not going to happen in India. We just don't have the laws in place. I would like to ask my fellow teambhpians who own a Toyota to take some time out and inspect their cars. Don't take Toyota's word for there not being a problem. PS - Even if the car accelerates suddenly, why can't people stomp on the brakes (i am referring to the 911 call, whose transcript is pasted on this thread)? Edit: I can clearly see the reason behind moving this thread to the International section, however, I think there should be some sort of a link to this thread on the Indian car scene thread too. This is a very serious issue that all Toyota owners in India should read and this section of TeamBhp cannot be as popular as the other one, just my two cents. Last edited by Amartya : 30th January 2010 at 03:07. |
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30th January 2010, 03:31 | #43 | |
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Further in CBS news, It was written in that they were not able to stop the car by stomping the brakes for another defective Toyota.There was another pointer that companies like VW is adapting a technology called "Smart Throttle" where brakes can override acclerator which is not happening currently in Toyotas. The defective Toyota in the above mentioned case was stopped by putting the Auto Transmission in Neutral.I won't be surprised if a American says he doesn't know what the use of "N" mark in the Auto transmisson is !!. Last edited by Superleggera : 30th January 2010 at 03:47. | |
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30th January 2010, 06:55 | #44 |
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30th January 2010, 11:31 | #45 | |
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Too much of this kind of stuff happening in US right now. However no brakes ! What happens if you slam the breaks and hold ? Wouldn't the car just stall after slowing ? Last edited by subbarp : 30th January 2010 at 11:38. Reason: edits | |
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