[itwasntme]

Originally Posted by graaja

I think you should stick to petrols, with so many factors like price difference between petrol and diesel becoming almost zero, 10 year old diesel cars being banned etc.

The next question that needs to be answered is what upgrade you are looking for - power or other factors like comfort, quality, brand value etc.

Ganesh, you have touched all the relevant bits and confused (at least) me even more .

As a sedan lover (exclusively), options are:
1. Remap a vRS
2. Remap a full size EU sedan like a Passat/Superb D
3. Go for a standard 330i
4. Upgrade to a 520D
5. Jag XE Pure (base)
6. Volvo S60

EDIT: Help guys like us 'spoilt' by the Jetta D and Octy D/P :-)

[d_himan]

Old thread, not sure if the OP's made his decision, but here goes

In a drive last weekend, got the chance to check out the new 330i m sport and the vrs side by side.

I have the same dilemma - I'm in the market later this year or early next year when my parking woes are sorted. So, had a good look at both.

I really thought the vrs had a chance.

However, the interiors (yes, the interiors) of the 330I M sport are so much more better - the seats are perfect, the driving position low and immaculate, the car just caves in around you, one just feels special. I thought the Alcantra seats, steering of the VRS etc. would come close - but it's not even close.

Of course, the 330i pulls harder off the line, but the vrs is never too far behind. With a remap in the vrs, game over. The 330i sounds way sweeter though, from the inside, from the outside. The vrs farts are a bit too 'uncultured'. The ride quality is similar in both, maybe the BMW rounds off bumps slightly better. Frankly, I felt my B6s were a touch better.

The practical bits of course the vrs wins it hands down. Big boot compared to the almost negligible space if you have a space saver in the 330i.

But then, really, the BMW just feels WAY more special - it's so tough to put a finger to it. It's like a masterchef (BMW) vs a good chef with nice ingredients (vrs). At an on-road price in the early 40s for the 330i, I think it's a complete no brainer over a vrs if you can stretch. Totally worth it.

In fact, I've decided that if the 330i isn't available later this year, I'll consider a second hand 320d m sport very carefully before putting in money into the vrs. A couple of seconds off 0 to 100 is fine, but the cohesive way the seats and interiors of the m sport pamper - far beyond what Skoda is capable of currently.

[graaja]

Originally Posted by d_himan

Old thread, not sure if the OP's made his decision, but here goes

Yes. I did make my decision as the title says. And below is my ownership thread.

https://www.team-bhp.com/forum/test-...omes-home.html

I would highly recommend the 330i M Sport over the VRS. The RWD is definitely fun!

The practical bits of course the vrs wins it hands down. Big boot compared to the almost negligible space if you have a space saver in the 330i.

That is the reason why I chose the GT. It is a totally practical car. With the upgraded M Sport suspensions + 252bhp engine + 8 speed ZF gearbox, it is now a joy to drive and practical at the same time. Details of upgrade to M Sport suspensions in the below thread.

https://www.team-bhp.com/forum/techn...w-330i-gt.html (Installed: M-Sport Suspension in my BMW 330i GT)

[d_himan]

Originally Posted by graaja

That is the reason why I chose the GT. It is a totally practical car. With the upgraded M Sport suspensions + 252bhp engine + 8 speed ZF gearbox, it is now a joy to drive and practical at the same time. Details of upgrade to M Sport suspensions in the below thread.

Ah dint realise it was your query Ganesh!

Of course, congrats on the GT. No choice really - the 3 boot with a space saver is extremely impractical for a family with kids long highway journey or dropping relatives at the airport.

Unfortunately, nothing personal, but I just can't buy it since I'm not able to get over how it looks :(, my loss really.

[graaja]

Originally Posted by d_himan

Unfortunately, nothing personal, but I just can't buy it since I'm not able to get over how it looks :(, my loss really.

Even if you changed your mind about the looks, you still can't buy as I believe BMW has stopped manufacturing 3GT

[Mission_PGPX]

Originally Posted by d_himan

Old thread, not sure if the OP's made his decision, but here goes

In a drive last weekend, got the chance to check out the new 330i m sport and the vrs side by side.

I have the same dilemma - I'm in the market later this year or early next year when my parking woes are sorted. So, had a good look at both.

I really thought the vrs had a chance.

However, the interiors (yes, the interiors) of the 330I M sport are so much more better - the seats are perfect, the driving position low and immaculate, the car just caves in around you, one just feels special. I thought the Alcantra seats, steering of the VRS etc. would come close - but it's not even close.

Of course, the 330i pulls harder off the line, but the vrs is never too far behind. With a remap in the vrs, game over. The 330i sounds way sweeter though, from the inside, from the outside. The vrs farts are a bit too 'uncultured'. The ride quality is similar in both, maybe the BMW rounds off bumps slightly better. Frankly, I felt my B6s were a touch better.

The practical bits of course the vrs wins it hands down. Big boot compared to the almost negligible space if you have a space saver in the 330i.

But then, really, the BMW just feels WAY more special - it's so tough to put a finger to it. It's like a masterchef (BMW) vs a good chef with nice ingredients (vrs). At an on-road price in the early 40s for the 330i, I think it's a complete no brainer over a vrs if you can stretch. Totally worth it.

In fact, I've decided that if the 330i isn't available later this year, I'll consider a second hand 320d m sport very carefully before putting in money into the vrs. A couple of seconds off 0 to 100 is fine, but the cohesive way the seats and interiors of the m sport pamper - far beyond what Skoda is capable of currently.

Dare i ask, How many family members usually travel in your car? says once or twice a week and occasionally those genuinely enjoyable long drives? Thats when it comes to practicality. In my opinion, unless you are driving 80% of the time solo or couple or say triple, and you absolutely want Bavarian verke, only look at GT. 3 or 6 is based on budget. In all other possibilities, vRS, which is also now not on sale so you have the option of pre-owned. There is one more alternative, 1.8 TSI octavia and new. prices are now a days hovering around 23 lacs, get the DSG tuned and then remap after warranty. Trust me you will not regret your decision and every single time practicality will remind you and will bring smile on your face. However, you are ready for your compromises, go ahead and dont postpone the joy.

[d_himan]

Originally Posted by Mission_PGPX

Dare i ask, How many family members usually travel in your car? says once or twice a week and occasionally those genuinely enjoyable long drives? Thats when it comes to practicality. In my opinion, unless you are driving 80% of the time solo or couple or say triple, and you absolutely want Bavarian verke, only look at GT. 3 or 6 is based on budget. In all other possibilities, vRS, which is also now not on sale so you have the option of pre-owned. There is one more alternative, 1.8 TSI octavia and new. prices are now a days hovering around 23 lacs, get the DSG tuned and then remap after warranty. Trust me you will not regret your decision and every single time practicality will remind you and will bring smile on your face. However, you are ready for your compromises, go ahead and dont postpone the joy.

Sorry, missed this. Very occasional long drives - so I really don't need a boot that much. Plus, personally, I really can't digest the 3 GT looks - so I'll never buy one, practicality be damned. Also, to me, going for a 1.8 Octy when the 2.0 is around is a complete no-no. The VRS is in a different planet performance-wise.

Reckon it'll be second hand BMW 330i vs the new VRS240 (with the ugly headlights, sigh) when I make the choice.

[graaja]

Originally Posted by d_himan

I really can't digest the 3 GT looks - so I'll never buy one, practicality be damned.

Ah. You hurt my feelings there. Again!

Originally Posted by d_himan

Very occasional long drives - so I really don't need a boot that much.
...
Also, to me, going for a 1.8 Octy when the 2.0 is around is a complete no-no. The VRS is in a different planet performance-wise.
...
Reckon it'll be second hand BMW 330i vs the new VRS240 (with the ugly headlights, sigh) when I make the choice.

If you don't need the boot space, then a 3 series makes more sense for sure. Once the G20 is launched, there may be some very good deals on the last batch of 330i's, so that you may be able to get a new one with a little stretch from the budget of a new VRS.

Also, there is no news about the VRS coming back to India. There is a rumor about the 245bhp one coming as CBU which may push the price near 40L. If that is the case, a 330i would make more sense again.

[d_himan]

Originally Posted by graaja

Ah. You hurt my feelings there. Again!

Very personal opinion raaja - completely my loss!

Originally Posted by graaja

If you don't need the boot space, then a 3 series makes more sense for sure. Once the G20 is launched, there may be some very good deals on the last batch of 330i's, so that you may be able to get a new one with a little stretch from the budget of a new VRS.

Yes, hopefully, there are still a few left - fingers crossed. Looks very unlikely though..

Also, there is no news about the VRS coming back to India. There is a rumor about the 245bhp one coming as CBU which may push the price near 40L. If that is the case, a 330i would make more sense again.

Yes, 40 ex showroom for a VRS is dead-on-arrival...I guess I'll mostly have to walk down the pre-owned way.

[arif_t01]

Originally Posted by graaja

Yes. I did get close to 12.5% off on the OTR.

Originally Posted by graaja

Got about 7.5L off on the OTR. A little more negotiation may have been possible, but I am a very bad negotiator!

Originally Posted by graaja

Yes. Got a very good deal indeed - close to 8L on the OTR as it was a 2017 manufactured model

You have mentioned discounts in 3 different replies, but all the figures differ very much. Can you please tell me the ex-showroom price you got? If you can't say openly, please DM me. TIA.

[graaja]

Originally Posted by arif_t01

You have mentioned discounts in 3 different replies, but all the figures differ very much. Can you please tell me the ex-showroom price you got? If you can't say openly, please DM me. TIA.

OTR was 61L. Got 7.5L off OTR. This is 12.3% off on the OTR, just rounded it off to 12.5%.

8L was a mistake. Have requested moderators to correct this to 7.5L.

[arif_t01]

Originally Posted by graaja

OTR was 61L. Got 7.5L off OTR. This is 12.3% off on the OTR, just rounded it off to 12.5%.

8L was a mistake. Have requested moderators to correct this to 7.5L.

My bad. I mistook 12.5% as 12.5L

Hence, the query for clarification. Thank you for clearing my doubt.