Mercedes for 4-5 lakhs.

AirWind · 15th December 2009, 12:06

Tx canonball: There seems to be more complications in this particular example - 17 yr old, direct import and TN registration (in KL currently) that needs to be re-registed in KA. It surely looks too hot to let it pass!

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Originally Posted by canonball

Airwind ask for BL (bill of ladding) it mentions amount duty paid and cost of car FOB. The entire duty paid computation is stated on this. Don't go by some RC book hand written crap I seen people try and pass of as customs entries! They will show some stamps next to this writing which is all fake. They need to show you import docs. On the other hand this stuff does not matter very much in the case of w124 but knowing the way DRI is getting tighter and meaner one never knows!

canonball · 15th December 2009, 12:41

Do you really need to transfer it? Seems TN/KL reg's keep floating in and out of each others states

This transfer cost is sure a killer, any tranfer into MH will cost a bomb. Enquired about transfering a 1999 E250D to MH was told Rs. 2 lacs !!! I think the RTO & system is on dope 24/7. It seems they take max dep value at Rs. 15 lacs (max half the cars showroom cost no matter how old) !!!!! and add road tax/life time tax, service tax which takes it to 2 lacs on a car costing 7 L!!!

Machdar · 4th February 2010, 17:16

Hi

I am not sure if this is the right forum ( as I could not locate a W202 forum). I wanted some advice on the W202 platform (1st C class - 190 D successor).

I have been offered a W202 (95 model- not sure) 250D Automatic, Sunroof , Power windows etc at 4 lacs. Condition is good but not excellent and needs some work.Some questions :

- Is the W202 platform good, bad, ugly?
- I have not read too anything on 202 in this forum? Are they many in India?
- Is the price right?
- How trust worthy are these AT?

GTO · 5th February 2010, 10:10

Machdar, you have been offered a '95 250D C Class for 4 lakhs? A car that is a grey market import.

Why would you not go for a W124 E250D of about the same vintage? Advantages : Its Indian (thus, no grey market rubbish), an E Class, will have service history (for atleast the first 4 - 5 years) and will cost you about the same.

arnabchak · 5th February 2010, 10:24

You will get 1996-1998 W124s for that price.

Spares would be expensive though.

Machdar · 5th February 2010, 10:59

Thanks GTO & Arnabchak,

I have already picked up an W124 petrol manual 96 model and was looking at the W202 because its smaller (easier to park for city & daily use), has auto transmission .

I am keen to understand from you and other experts on the platform, its reliability and also its rarity!

I understand from your replies that this is expensive.

canonball · 5th February 2010, 11:43

Anything auto in 250D whether C or E is pathetic without the 5speed autobox that came in India in 98 (w210) and globally in 96/late 95 (select W202's) If you don't need an auto go for the Indian E250D manual unless this one has a 5speed autobox she will go like stink and to top it if she is trubo she will fly, grab her in that case. Anyway dreams aside from your description she seems a regular 250d with old autobox which makes her very very very slow I dropped buying both (E250D auto & C250D) for this reason.

Machdar · 6th February 2010, 10:57

Thank You Canon Ball,

I came across a 300 SEL yesterday. Posting some pics. Its been lying untouched for a while and needs some work with ac, electrical & cosmetics.

It seems rust free. The guy wants 4 L and I may have to spend 1 more to get it in fine form. What do you think?

ajmat · 6th February 2010, 12:41

Is this a TN07 one that lies near Hennur?

You'll need to add LTT tax also

Machdar · 6th February 2010, 15:54

Yes its the one will check if they have paid LTT. Else is it a good deal? You think I can get a better deal on other 126 ? What's your opinion on 202 vs 123 vs 126?

Regular use vs Weekend use?

I am not too bothered about fuel efficiency but do care about maintenance . I would not want to be around the workshop every week!

ajmat · 6th February 2010, 17:57

w202

This is where mercedes started cost cutting. It was not a remarkable car. The BMW e36 introduced 3 years before ran rings around it.

w123

Quality tank

w 126

Best of the three but finding a good one is the issue. Why is the car gathering dust on the roadside? If it was a good one, the owner would at least push it in at night. Rs 4 L is too high. There is a bog standard 260 going for 2.5 in the classified.

I can't really put a price for older cars unless one knows actual condition. Again an actual merc evaluation costs a lot but a lot less than a new engine.

As a start look for corrosion on the front wings and under the rear window

Machdar · 8th February 2010, 11:18

Thanks Ajmat & Canon Ball,

The 202 is a 5 speed auto (so canon ball should I go for it?)

Ajmat will look into the classified right away. So I would take it from your advice go for 123 or 126. If I find one in a good condition! right?

As regards the blue 300sel.. The owner is a celebrity who care nothing for the car or the money but is stuck on the 4L figure. I checked everywhere there is zero rust. except for the springs in the front seats everything else looked good.

Also had a doubt did these models come with manual ORVM in the drivers side and electrical OVRM on the passenger side? Or did someone break it and fix a manual one?

canonball · 8th February 2010, 16:20

Macdar welcome anytime-

202 5 speed should have a switch on transmission shift panel (next to it) stating s & w, engage her in S after first driving her in W and see if there is marked difference in pickup, next see if the pick up in S is good enough for you, if not at times pump setting could be an issue (although the were electronic if I rememeber correctly) or pump needs service (common issue for flat response) and she will run faster. Take a trial and post your impressions then I could give you my opinion.

These models mostly came in the manual/electric combo you mentioned so issue on that

ajmat · 8th February 2010, 16:21

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Originally Posted by Machdar

Also had a doubt did these models come with manual ORVM in the drivers side and electrical OVRM on the passenger side? Or did someone break it and fix a manual one?

They came like that. Logical as you spend the same effort in moving the lever as in moving the switch

Machdar · 8th February 2010, 17:53

Thanks Guys, I am yet to get the test drive with the 202! I will also try and get some pics along with it then. Maybe this weekend.

And Thanks Ajmat on the 126 clarification.

Both these cars are priced at 4L.

202 is smaller & easier to park, has AT so easier to manage traffic in blr

126 is simply magnificent but really huge (SEL)

Still confused may be will take them for a spin.

15th December 2009, 12:41	#62
canonball Senior - BHPian Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Mumbai Posts: 1,466 Thanked: 205 Times View My Garage	Do you really need to transfer it? Seems TN/KL reg's keep floating in and out of each others states This transfer cost is sure a killer, any tranfer into MH will cost a bomb. Enquired about transfering a 1999 E250D to MH was told Rs. 2 lacs !!! I think the RTO & system is on dope 24/7. It seems they take max dep value at Rs. 15 lacs (max half the cars showroom cost no matter how old) !!!!! and add road tax/life time tax, service tax which takes it to 2 lacs on a car costing 7 L!!! Last edited by canonball : 15th December 2009 at 12:43.
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4th February 2010, 17:16	#63
Machdar BHPian Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Bangalore Posts: 199 Thanked: 17 Times View My Garage	Hi I am not sure if this is the right forum ( as I could not locate a W202 forum). I wanted some advice on the W202 platform (1st C class - 190 D successor). I have been offered a W202 (95 model- not sure) 250D Automatic, Sunroof , Power windows etc at 4 lacs. Condition is good but not excellent and needs some work.Some questions : - Is the W202 platform good, bad, ugly? - I have not read too anything on 202 in this forum? Are they many in India? - Is the price right? - How trust worthy are these AT?
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5th February 2010, 10:10	#64
GTO Team-BHP Support Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Bombay Posts: 70,530 Thanked: 300,729 Times View My Garage	Machdar, you have been offered a '95 250D C Class for 4 lakhs? A car that is a grey market import. Why would you not go for a W124 E250D of about the same vintage? Advantages : Its Indian (thus, no grey market rubbish), an E Class, will have service history (for atleast the first 4 - 5 years) and will cost you about the same.
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5th February 2010, 10:24	#65
arnabchak Senior - BHPian Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: MH-04 Posts: 1,346 Thanked: 1,162 Times	You will get 1996-1998 W124s for that price. Spares would be expensive though.
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5th February 2010, 10:59	#66
Machdar BHPian Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Bangalore Posts: 199 Thanked: 17 Times View My Garage	Thanks GTO & Arnabchak, I have already picked up an W124 petrol manual 96 model and was looking at the W202 because its smaller (easier to park for city & daily use), has auto transmission . I am keen to understand from you and other experts on the platform, its reliability and also its rarity! I understand from your replies that this is expensive.
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5th February 2010, 11:43	#67
canonball Senior - BHPian Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Mumbai Posts: 1,466 Thanked: 205 Times View My Garage	Anything auto in 250D whether C or E is pathetic without the 5speed autobox that came in India in 98 (w210) and globally in 96/late 95 (select W202's) If you don't need an auto go for the Indian E250D manual unless this one has a 5speed autobox she will go like stink and to top it if she is trubo she will fly, grab her in that case. Anyway dreams aside from your description she seems a regular 250d with old autobox which makes her very very very slow I dropped buying both (E250D auto & C250D) for this reason.
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6th February 2010, 10:57	#68
Machdar BHPian Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Bangalore Posts: 199 Thanked: 17 Times View My Garage	Thank You Canon Ball, I came across a 300 SEL yesterday. Posting some pics. Its been lying untouched for a while and needs some work with ac, electrical & cosmetics. It seems rust free. The guy wants 4 L and I may have to spend 1 more to get it in fine form. What do you think? Attached Thumbnails
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6th February 2010, 12:41	#69
ajmat Team-BHP Support Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Bangalore Posts: 14,863 Thanked: 27,973 Times View My Garage	Is this a TN07 one that lies near Hennur? You'll need to add LTT tax also
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6th February 2010, 15:54	#70
Machdar BHPian Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Bangalore Posts: 199 Thanked: 17 Times View My Garage	Yes its the one will check if they have paid LTT. Else is it a good deal? You think I can get a better deal on other 126 ? What's your opinion on 202 vs 123 vs 126? Regular use vs Weekend use? I am not too bothered about fuel efficiency but do care about maintenance . I would not want to be around the workshop every week!
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6th February 2010, 17:57	#71
ajmat Team-BHP Support Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Bangalore Posts: 14,863 Thanked: 27,973 Times View My Garage	w202 This is where mercedes started cost cutting. It was not a remarkable car. The BMW e36 introduced 3 years before ran rings around it. w123 Quality tank w 126 Best of the three but finding a good one is the issue. Why is the car gathering dust on the roadside? If it was a good one, the owner would at least push it in at night. Rs 4 L is too high. There is a bog standard 260 going for 2.5 in the classified. I can't really put a price for older cars unless one knows actual condition. Again an actual merc evaluation costs a lot but a lot less than a new engine. As a start look for corrosion on the front wings and under the rear window
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8th February 2010, 11:18	#72
Machdar BHPian Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Bangalore Posts: 199 Thanked: 17 Times View My Garage	Thanks Ajmat & Canon Ball, The 202 is a 5 speed auto (so canon ball should I go for it?) Ajmat will look into the classified right away. So I would take it from your advice go for 123 or 126. If I find one in a good condition! right? As regards the blue 300sel.. The owner is a celebrity who care nothing for the car or the money but is stuck on the 4L figure. I checked everywhere there is zero rust. except for the springs in the front seats everything else looked good. Also had a doubt did these models come with manual ORVM in the drivers side and electrical OVRM on the passenger side? Or did someone break it and fix a manual one?
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8th February 2010, 16:20	#73
canonball Senior - BHPian Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Mumbai Posts: 1,466 Thanked: 205 Times View My Garage	Macdar welcome anytime- 202 5 speed should have a switch on transmission shift panel (next to it) stating s & w, engage her in S after first driving her in W and see if there is marked difference in pickup, next see if the pick up in S is good enough for you, if not at times pump setting could be an issue (although the were electronic if I rememeber correctly) or pump needs service (common issue for flat response) and she will run faster. Take a trial and post your impressions then I could give you my opinion. These models mostly came in the manual/electric combo you mentioned so issue on that
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8th February 2010, 17:53	#75
Machdar BHPian Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Bangalore Posts: 199 Thanked: 17 Times View My Garage	Thanks Guys, I am yet to get the test drive with the 202! I will also try and get some pics along with it then. Maybe this weekend. And Thanks Ajmat on the 126 clarification. Both these cars are priced at 4L. 202 is smaller & easier to park, has AT so easier to manage traffic in blr 126 is simply magnificent but really huge (SEL) Still confused may be will take them for a spin.
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