Better car for turbo charging - which??

toiingg · 7th June 2007, 08:50

Yeah, seen that video, its Nasty !!

Ricky_63 · 7th June 2007, 11:23

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Originally Posted by reignofchaos

Good luck finding a Cedia. Do keep us informed

Are you happy with your car ?? I assume it is stock as of now - you are not selling or are you ???

reignofchaos · 7th June 2007, 11:26

^^I love my car more than anything else

. She's just 2 weeks old now. No way I'm gonna sell her ever

. Bone stock as of now. However I shall upgrade the rubber next week to something better.

Ricky_63 · 7th June 2007, 11:26

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Originally Posted by iraghava

Do keep in mind that with the car developing 200bhp or thereabouts, it'll be much easier for the Cedia's platform to handle that kind of loads compared to the OHC's platform.

What do you think is the MAX safe limit for the OHC in terms of BHP ? I am looking at a TC for sure. Other things I still need to take a call on.

Cheers

Ricky_63 · 7th June 2007, 11:28

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Originally Posted by reignofchaos

^^I love my car more than anything else

. She's just 2 weeks old now. No way I'm gonna sell her ever

. Bone stock as of now. However I shall upgrade the rubber next week to something better.

Did you manage a good discount or it's the sticker price that you paid. Are you happy with the performance per se.

reignofchaos · 7th June 2007, 11:35

^^I got roughly 24k off the sticker price plus free sunfilm, mats and some small accessories. Stock performance is great in the mid and high end. The car is a little sluggish at the absolute bottom. Getting to around 30 takes a while but after that there's a huge burst of acceleration in 2nd gear and its really smooth from there on. So far have only revved her to 4000rpm or so as she only has around 1300km on the odo. However the area where the car takes the cake is handling... I did most of the bends on blore-mysore highway at an average of 110-120 and the car didn't feel unstable for even one bit. PS is butter smooth but always has sufficient feedback. Its really really easy to corner at high speeds.

iraghava · 7th June 2007, 12:30

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Originally Posted by Ricky_63

What do you think is the MAX safe limit for the OHC in terms of BHP ? I am looking at a TC for sure. Other things I still need to take a call on.

I would say 200-220 bhp is the max & even then you would need to strengthen some vital points in the chassis. Anything above that & you're looking at much more extensive work.

Mugen_Power · 7th June 2007, 12:43

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Originally Posted by iraghava

I would say 200-220 bhp is the max & even then you would need to strengthen some vital points in the chassis. Anything above that & you're looking at much more extensive work.

is it possible to achieve 200-220 bhp in turbo charged Ohc ? or will have to transplant the engine ?

viper · 7th June 2007, 12:47

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Originally Posted by Mugen_Power

is it possible to achieve 200-220 bhp in turbo charged Ohc ? or will have to transplant the engine ?

Hi Mugen,

I think the bangy boys will be the best to answer that as they have been there and done it all before anyone else.

Viper

ported_head · 7th June 2007, 12:57

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Originally Posted by viper

Hi Mugen,

I think the bangy boys will be the best to answer that as they have been there and done it all before anyone else.

Viper

Why even Ranjit claims to have run 1 bar boost on B16A, that should be way above 200 bhp, if tuned correctly. But then, the car doesn't show up at the SRs, so we'll never know.

A good idea would be to start with strengthened mounts, chassis, driveshafts, bigger brakes and suspension. Or just ask Jitu

viper · 7th June 2007, 13:07

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Originally Posted by ported_head

Why even Ranjit claims to have run 1 bar boost on B16A, that should be way above 200 bhp, if tuned correctly. But then, the car doesn't show up at the SRs, so we'll never know.

Hey ported,

Has he told this to you or someone else. I am not aware of this so cannot comment.

viper

ported_head · 7th June 2007, 13:28

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Originally Posted by viper

Hey ported,

Has he told this to you or someone else. I am not aware of this so cannot comment.

viper

Yes, I was present then. Ask him about the Yellow Type 1 OHC with the B16A.

v1p3r · 7th June 2007, 15:18

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Originally Posted by viper

I think the bangy boys will be the best to answer that as they have been there and done it all before anyone else.

Kya Jiggs, kai ko hamaari leta hai.

AFAIK, no one has done a 200 hp OHC turbo job. One OHC is running an Indian block and turbo, but I've never had the privilege of seeing it. The rest normally run D16s, which are really nice blocks in their own right. They look pretty much identical to the Indian blocks at first glance, and the cranks can hold upto 300 hp.

Ricky_63 · 7th June 2007, 15:38

As I can see that there has been work done on a number of OHC's but not (m)any CEDIA's - the search for the CEDIA is going on.

Let's see if I can land myself a used clean car within a reasonable price. If not then OHC is always an option.

The conclusion seems to be something like this :-

# 1. Exclusive + Good Mods @ higher price = CEDIA
# 2. Not so exclusive but good mods @ lesser expense = OHC

Cheers

mclaren1885 · 7th June 2007, 16:43

Akshay, wasnt the black zen with the CRX engine running 17psi boost (whats the difference in the two engines)? So I guess 200 can be achieved on an Indian OHC engine with upgraded internals. Wonder how much was the orange Vtec putting out?

Madhu's car should be putting out about 135bhp NA + 75shot of nos means 210bhp. Car did a 14.4 in bangalore. Jitu's b16 puts out close to 170+50 shot nos. Thats how I got to the theory that OHC can handle 200 bhp.

Jiggy, having done B16 TC installs in zen and OHC I guess you should be in a better position to tell us. Rather than trying to take a dig at someone!

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reignofchaos Senior - BHPian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Bangalore Posts: 2,542 Thanked: 2,450 Times View My Garage	^^I love my car more than anything else . She's just 2 weeks old now. No way I'm gonna sell her ever . Bone stock as of now. However I shall upgrade the rubber next week to something better.
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reignofchaos Senior - BHPian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Bangalore Posts: 2,542 Thanked: 2,450 Times View My Garage	^^I got roughly 24k off the sticker price plus free sunfilm, mats and some small accessories. Stock performance is great in the mid and high end. The car is a little sluggish at the absolute bottom. Getting to around 30 takes a while but after that there's a huge burst of acceleration in 2nd gear and its really smooth from there on. So far have only revved her to 4000rpm or so as she only has around 1300km on the odo. However the area where the car takes the cake is handling... I did most of the bends on blore-mysore highway at an average of 110-120 and the car didn't feel unstable for even one bit. PS is butter smooth but always has sufficient feedback. Its really really easy to corner at high speeds.
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Ricky_63 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Gurgaon Posts: 3,885 Thanked: 518 Times View My Garage	As I can see that there has been work done on a number of OHC's but not (m)any CEDIA's - the search for the CEDIA is going on. Let's see if I can land myself a used clean car within a reasonable price. If not then OHC is always an option. The conclusion seems to be something like this :- # 1. Exclusive + Good Mods @ higher price = CEDIA # 2. Not so exclusive but good mods @ lesser expense = OHC Cheers
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mclaren1885 BANNED Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Bangalore (the city of modded cars) !! Posts: 4,820 Thanked: 45 Times View My Garage Infractions: 0/1 (10)	Akshay, wasnt the black zen with the CRX engine running 17psi boost (whats the difference in the two engines)? So I guess 200 can be achieved on an Indian OHC engine with upgraded internals. Wonder how much was the orange Vtec putting out? Madhu's car should be putting out about 135bhp NA + 75shot of nos means 210bhp. Car did a 14.4 in bangalore. Jitu's b16 puts out close to 170+50 shot nos. Thats how I got to the theory that OHC can handle 200 bhp. Jiggy, having done B16 TC installs in zen and OHC I guess you should be in a better position to tell us. Rather than trying to take a dig at someone! Last edited by mclaren1885 : 7th June 2007 at 16:44.
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