Palio Brake Upgrade

abhik · 29th July 2008, 00:12

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Originally Posted by cyneverdie

Hey man , doubt their website would help , 9821221791 - Anant from N1's no - he's a nice helpful guy try him out , feel free to tell him where you got his number from.
But , your from delhi - autopsyche can't help you??

Arush can ofcourse help but i am able to manage now and sont plan any extensive performance mods for the Ikon so its ok.

RedMM340 · 29th July 2008, 00:55

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Originally Posted by nitrous

I would suggest sourcing performance brake pads from EBC.
I'm uploading an excel file for your convenience.

Nitrous,
Thanks for the excel file, could you now tell me which EBC part number works for the Palio 1.6 as it is not listed

jacs · 13th August 2008, 15:57

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Originally Posted by Rahulkool

I have always felt palio brakes needs little warm up before they work perfectly ..... In both track days i have seen this, in the second track day i felt brake are not working perfectly and after a lap it was just as good as new

...... i could lock the front two tyres with little force other wise i have press them with more force to lock the wheels, tyres are 195 section ....

one of the reason palio brakes are not good in emegency braking situation ..... if you find anything please update the thread

I do agree with Rahulkool.....Palio brakeset seems to warmup before performing

.

It happens most of the time when I take the vehicle for ride in the morning and after 1Km it improves a lot!

moralfibre · 13th August 2008, 17:11

Red MM 540,

You are on the right track with the upgrade. I'd suggest you stick with Fiat Adventure brakes up front since they from the same product family and you can adopt the upgrade much easily.

Fiat Palio

Brakes Front 240mm ventilated discs
Brakes Rear 185mm drums

Fiat Adventure:

Brakes Front 257mm ventilated discs
Brakes Rear 185mm drums

What is the cost of the brake booster? I am not sure but I think you will need to upgrade the booster as well.

Something more to add to this thread - http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/modifi...onversion.html

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/indian...lio-1-6-a.html

RedMM340 · 14th August 2008, 00:08

I just got some work done at the local dealer, and the brakes have improved significantly.

Installed new brake pads, and new caliper pins. The old pins were jammed. The new brake pads are OEM, and work much better. Spent Rs. 1,560 for pads, 995 for 4 caliper pins, 311 for spray cleaner, 350 labor. Total of 3,616 including VAT. Considering the big improvement in braking and the safety, money well spent until the next brake upgrade.

Moralfibre,

Are confirming that the Adventure front discs will mount up to the palio hub? If you actually done this fit up, please let me know. I need to be 100% sure, because I will have to pre pay about 25k for the discs, pads, rotors, dust shields. Otherwise the dealer will not order them from the factory. Needless to say, it would be a big (and expensive) disappointment if for some reason the Adventure brakes do not fit up.

I plan to leave the rear drums, and booster alone, since the front brakes do 80% of the braking. And I want to keep the upgrade simple, and minimum cost for max improvement.

Thanks,

khan_sultan · 29th August 2008, 11:47

Gaurav,

I got the brakes of my S10 attended to yesterday. Got the following replaced

Front Brake Disk (both sides): ~2200/-
Brake Pads: ~1100/-
Rear wheel cylinders: ~700/-
Labour: ~750/-

The brakes feel solid now -- but still feel the need for ABS :-)

Quote:

Originally Posted by RedMM340

... Are confirming that the Adventure front discs will mount up to the palio hub? If you actually done this fit up, please let me know. I need to be 100% sure, because I will have to pre pay about 25k for the discs, pads, rotors, dust shields. ...

BTW, I discussed this with the fiat service adviser/mechanics there. It CAN'T be done. NOT possible. The disc/hub size is different.

Cheers,

RedMM340 · 29th August 2008, 13:25

Shahnawaz,
I got my rotors machined and that made a big difference also, so my brakes are working reasonably well. Looks like the Palio brakes only work o.k. if they are maintained is absolutely top shape.

You may also want to give your brake fluid a flush with DOT 4 spec fluid.

I am not sure whether to believe your service advisors or not. I suspect that their first motivation is to convince the customer not to do anything that is non-standard.

Of course the disc size is different, the whole point of this idea is to put in a bigger disc. The big question is if the Palio hub will accept the Adventure disc brake mounting plate. The only way to find out for sure is if you or I try it.

Regards,

khan_sultan · 29th August 2008, 14:33

Gaurav,

I got the DOT4 flush also done.

I know, I can't believe 100% what the service advisor said but the Palio hub and adventure disc mounting plate size being different is what he said. I had bugged him quite a bit on that.

But yes, you are right, one can be sure only if we test.

Hey, got an idea. Lohit Rao just got an adventure from himself. Will take his Adventure and my S10 to RAC and test sometime.

Cheers,

naveen.kk · 19th October 2008, 13:27

Thanks for the valuable information, seems like Palio breaks need real neat maintenance. I will have to get my breaks done. I feel they wont match the power it has. Apart from the above info, are there any more ways to bring them to next level?

meremortal · 20th October 2008, 18:48

Have a query regarding brake upgrades for my 1.6.

Came across Brembo after market swaps. Please see link below;

Brembo - Sport Brakes

These are the basic upgrades available. May cost around 10k-15k.

My query: Can we swap this on an Indian car?
What about the rear drums?
Is it worth it?
Any warranty issues?

Gurus please help!

Thanks

moralfibre · 11th December 2008, 08:11

I have figured out another stock replacement for Palio brakes but haven't had the time to visit the service center to inquire for prices.

If someone visits a Fiat workshop, try to get prices for:

1) Siena type 1 Brake discs (They are bigger in diameter).
2) Siena type 1 disc Brake Caliper (Its bigger than the one in the Palio)
3) Siena type 1 disc brake pads (They are bigger in size as well).

Thanks.

carfreak · 12th December 2008, 07:50

hi moralfibre,by type 1 siena what do you mean?is it the first siena that came?can we fix the petra brakes on the palio?

moralfibre · 12th December 2008, 08:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by carfreak

hi moralfibre,by type 1 siena what do you mean?is it the first siena that came?can we fix the petra brakes on the palio?

The first Siena that came in India. That one has better brakes size wise and efficiency wise. Their caliper pins seldom require a check unlike in the Palio.

I am not yet sure if its a direct fit.

carfreak · 12th December 2008, 08:42

Have given my car for service,will try to find out today!

maverick030581 · 12th December 2008, 10:50

Hi Red,

As already mentioned upgrading the entire braking system to Wilwoods and the like will be an expensive proposition.There is another thread on upgrading brakes which mentions better brake pads like Green,don't know if they are available for the Palio though.Check with N1 or better yet check with Autopsyche,he would be the best person to guide you I guess.

13th August 2008, 17:11	#19
moralfibre Team-BHP Support Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: MH-12 Posts: 8,451 Thanked: 13,973 Times	Red MM 540, You are on the right track with the upgrade. I'd suggest you stick with Fiat Adventure brakes up front since they from the same product family and you can adopt the upgrade much easily. Fiat Palio Brakes Front 240mm ventilated discs Brakes Rear 185mm drums Fiat Adventure: Brakes Front 257mm ventilated discs Brakes Rear 185mm drums What is the cost of the brake booster? I am not sure but I think you will need to upgrade the booster as well. Something more to add to this thread - http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/modifi...onversion.html http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/indian...lio-1-6-a.html Last edited by moralfibre : 13th August 2008 at 17:16.
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14th August 2008, 00:08	#20
RedMM340 BHPian Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: on the move Posts: 457 Thanked: 34 Times	I just got some work done at the local dealer, and the brakes have improved significantly. Installed new brake pads, and new caliper pins. The old pins were jammed. The new brake pads are OEM, and work much better. Spent Rs. 1,560 for pads, 995 for 4 caliper pins, 311 for spray cleaner, 350 labor. Total of 3,616 including VAT. Considering the big improvement in braking and the safety, money well spent until the next brake upgrade. Moralfibre, Are confirming that the Adventure front discs will mount up to the palio hub? If you actually done this fit up, please let me know. I need to be 100% sure, because I will have to pre pay about 25k for the discs, pads, rotors, dust shields. Otherwise the dealer will not order them from the factory. Needless to say, it would be a big (and expensive) disappointment if for some reason the Adventure brakes do not fit up. I plan to leave the rear drums, and booster alone, since the front brakes do 80% of the braking. And I want to keep the upgrade simple, and minimum cost for max improvement. Thanks,
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29th August 2008, 13:25	#22
RedMM340 BHPian Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: on the move Posts: 457 Thanked: 34 Times	Shahnawaz, I got my rotors machined and that made a big difference also, so my brakes are working reasonably well. Looks like the Palio brakes only work o.k. if they are maintained is absolutely top shape. You may also want to give your brake fluid a flush with DOT 4 spec fluid. I am not sure whether to believe your service advisors or not. I suspect that their first motivation is to convince the customer not to do anything that is non-standard. Of course the disc size is different, the whole point of this idea is to put in a bigger disc. The big question is if the Palio hub will accept the Adventure disc brake mounting plate. The only way to find out for sure is if you or I try it. Regards,
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29th August 2008, 14:33	#23
khan_sultan Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Noida/Bangalore Posts: 4,925 Thanked: 5,853 Times View My Garage	Gaurav, I got the DOT4 flush also done. I know, I can't believe 100% what the service advisor said but the Palio hub and adventure disc mounting plate size being different is what he said. I had bugged him quite a bit on that. But yes, you are right, one can be sure only if we test. Hey, got an idea. Lohit Rao just got an adventure from himself. Will take his Adventure and my S10 to RAC and test sometime. Cheers,
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19th October 2008, 13:27	#24
naveen.kk BHPian Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Hyderabad Posts: 120 Thanked: 30 Times View My Garage	Thanks for the valuable information, seems like Palio breaks need real neat maintenance. I will have to get my breaks done. I feel they wont match the power it has. Apart from the above info, are there any more ways to bring them to next level?
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20th October 2008, 18:48	#25
meremortal BHPian Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Bangalore Posts: 53 Thanked: 3 Times	Palio Stile Brakes upgrade? Have a query regarding brake upgrades for my 1.6. Came across Brembo after market swaps. Please see link below; Brembo - Sport Brakes These are the basic upgrades available. May cost around 10k-15k. My query: Can we swap this on an Indian car? What about the rear drums? Is it worth it? Any warranty issues? Gurus please help! Thanks
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11th December 2008, 08:11	#26
moralfibre Team-BHP Support Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: MH-12 Posts: 8,451 Thanked: 13,973 Times	I have figured out another stock replacement for Palio brakes but haven't had the time to visit the service center to inquire for prices. If someone visits a Fiat workshop, try to get prices for: 1) Siena type 1 Brake discs (They are bigger in diameter). 2) Siena type 1 disc Brake Caliper (Its bigger than the one in the Palio) 3) Siena type 1 disc brake pads (They are bigger in size as well). Thanks.
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12th December 2008, 07:50	#27
carfreak BHPian Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Udupi Posts: 599 Thanked: 342 Times	hi moralfibre,by type 1 siena what do you mean?is it the first siena that came?can we fix the petra brakes on the palio?
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12th December 2008, 08:42	#29
carfreak BHPian Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Udupi Posts: 599 Thanked: 342 Times	Have given my car for service,will try to find out today!
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12th December 2008, 10:50	#30
maverick030581 BHPian Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Mumbai Posts: 198 Thanked: 2 Times	Hi Red, As already mentioned upgrading the entire braking system to Wilwoods and the like will be an expensive proposition.There is another thread on upgrading brakes which mentions better brake pads like Green,don't know if they are available for the Palio though.Check with N1 or better yet check with Autopsyche,he would be the best person to guide you I guess.
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