Dubious claims of the Simple Energy One electric scooter | Might be based on an Ather (page 3)

GautamJ · 19th August 2021, 21:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by pogo0120

What happened? I did not see any updates on announcement on detailed specs etc.
Also above tweet seems to deleted by Suhas

Miscommunication from the Founder and CEO of Simple Energy.
Recent tweet says that announcement was made on 15th August and Simple Energy website mentions all the required details.

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SKC-auto · 19th August 2021, 23:10

While others have compared Ather and OLA as Tesla of Indian 2W, this looks like Nikola of Indian 2W, Suhas as Trevor Milton of India.

Keeps changing the dates, yesterday he announces something, today says check website.
I won't be surprised someday he files lawsuit against Ather or OLA for stealing their patents.

I would suggest, don't pre book unless you see the factory.

harisankarsony · 20th August 2021, 01:21

Spotted something on their website. It showed a motor power of 7KW on August 15.

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And today, it shows 8.5KW.

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There's something really fishy about their claimed performance figures. It seems like they wanted to make it look better than that of Ola. For instance, the Ola S1 pro has a claimed peak power of 8.5KW and a 0 - 40kph time of 3.0s. The Simple One's claimed peak power is (now) 8.5KW, and 0 - 40kph time is claimed to be 2.95s.

Even their launch event was scheduled right after the Ola reveal, and watching it felt like it was rushed and they didn't have much time for preparation. They couldn't even start it right on time.

Off-topic: This is my first post in TBHP forum

and it's a conspiracy theory right of the bat

pogo0120 · 20th August 2021, 07:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by SKC-auto

I would suggest, don't pre book unless you see the factory.

And I am trying to get my money back. There is no phone number to talk to and they are not responding to my email.

Hi,

Please refund for following booking.

Regards

K Mxxxxxxxx
Details
Order ID. 0592-895239-1600
Order Date 15-Aug-2021
Payment Method UPI
Amount 1947
Colour Namma Red

diesel_head · 20th August 2021, 12:23

This has Nikola written all over.
Outlandish specs - check
Lookalike prototype- check
Shady funding - check
Multiple patents without proof - check (he claimed to have patented a different disc brake design)
1 million unit warehouse, I mean plant - check
Inconsistent information - check

People please do your own research on this before parting with your hard earned 1947. Just a cursory glance on LinkedIn on profiles of these guys will make you question if they even have the skills to put together something like a high tech EV company.

Better to be careful as there’s a lot of smoke and vapor ware. For me this is Nikola part deux, desi style.

TaurusSHO · 20th August 2021, 21:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by SKC-auto

While others have compared Ather and OLA as Tesla of Indian 2W, this looks like Nikola of Indian 2W, Suhas as Trevor Milton of India.

Keeps changing the dates, yesterday he announces something, today says check website.

And now he says his company has received over 30000 bookings since "launch".

Ola S1 rival Simple One scooter receives over 30,000 pre-bookings

Quote:

The scooter boasts of the high pre-booking number despite a “zero" marketing approach.

Quote:

Speaking on this announcement, Suhas Rajkumar, Founder, and CEO of Simple Energy said, "We are elated with the love we’ve been receiving from the launch day. We are grateful to the audience as they believe in the product and have shown support to a home-grown company. We are here to stay!"

5252rpm · 24th August 2021, 17:21

I found this article where all miscommunication is pointed out. Turns out overall launch event was poorly planned and excecuted. Many critical goofups which is highly unfavourable for a new product and brand launch. Hopes they dont end up messing the product itself. Specs looks fantastic,IMHO. World's best long range scooter being inhouse developed at #NammaBengaluru is something brag worthy.

- Change in parameters such as peakpower & 0-100 figures. This article states that it was changed after Ola's launch.
- Display model's registration number was originally of an Ather.
- Production facility is far from promised reality. With current setup, not sure if they can achieve delivery commitments.
- Ordeal of twitter tweets,deletion and retweets.

Link : https://www.firstpost.com/tech/auto/...h-9905901.html

pogo0120 · 24th August 2021, 20:24

Hi,
Any one getting communication from simple energy on refund?
I have mailed twice, still no reply.

Gosh..I should have waited for team bhp discussion before I placed the pre-order. Bad luck.

harisankarsony · 24th August 2021, 21:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by pogo0120

Any one getting communication from simple energy on refund?
I have mailed twice, still no reply.

The CEO has posted on Twitter saying that there will be an option to cancel orders through the user dashboard on their website, post friday.

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rascalangel · 26th August 2021, 09:42

The simple energy story smells a lot like the Sathyam scam. Fake it till you make it. Looked like the launch was only to secure funding.

fordday · 26th August 2021, 11:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gaur

That sprocket look like its off a 200/250cc motorcycle and chain drive on an e-scooter

, looks like weight is not a concern for the designers.

Didn't notice this.

How does chain drive works on an automatic scooter?

Lets say on standstill if we brake full and give full or some throttle, the clutch or belt will slip for a belt driven ICE or EV.
However for a chain drive in this case, I think the sprockets at either ends will break their teeth.

Am I very much off the mark?

aargee · 26th August 2021, 13:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by fordday

Lets say on standstill if we brake full and give full or some throttle, the clutch or belt will slip for a belt driven ICE or EV

On ICE it doesn't as the power is gradually distributed to sprocks; on EV, S/W does the same job of power distribution.

Quote:

Originally Posted by fordday

However for a chain drive in this case, I think the sprockets at either ends will break their teeth

Not sure about SimpleOne, but speaking in broad terms, technical engineers should've taken care through S/W as stated above

hemanth.anand · 26th August 2021, 23:19

http://youtu.be/BUTu3zjRI7A

Saw this video on YouTube. Seems to be recorded on the day of launch. Somehow all answers seemed vague and nothing has been decided. I don't know why all companies these days are in a great hurry to launch the product (cars, scooters) even when nothing is ready!

pogo0120 · 28th August 2021, 10:32

Cancellation option is now working. I cancelled my pre order, amount was refunded very next second! Fast.

officer416 · 1st September 2021, 08:56

Honestly this guy and his company is giving me Nikola vibes. No working prototype, pretty sure they have Ather 450X under that body. Everything is in the air. The guy Trevor Milton use to do same stuff, Tesla announces something, the guy will do the same with renders, blowing up investors money with nothing concrete. Will suggest bailing on this one or just wait and watch.

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harisankarsony Newbie Join Date: Aug 2021 Location: Ernakulam Posts: 6 Thanked: 72 Times	re: Dubious claims of the Simple Energy One electric scooter \| Might be based on an Ather (page 3) Spotted something on their website. It showed a motor power of 7KW on August 15. And today, it shows 8.5KW. There's something really fishy about their claimed performance figures. It seems like they wanted to make it look better than that of Ola. For instance, the Ola S1 pro has a claimed peak power of 8.5KW and a 0 - 40kph time of 3.0s. The Simple One's claimed peak power is (now) 8.5KW, and 0 - 40kph time is claimed to be 2.95s. Even their launch event was scheduled right after the Ola reveal, and watching it felt like it was rushed and they didn't have much time for preparation. They couldn't even start it right on time. Off-topic: This is my first post in TBHP forum and it's a conspiracy theory right of the bat
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diesel_head BHPian Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Dubai Posts: 71 Thanked: 75 Times	re: Dubious claims of the Simple Energy One electric scooter \| Might be based on an Ather (page 3) This has Nikola written all over. Outlandish specs - check Lookalike prototype- check Shady funding - check Multiple patents without proof - check (he claimed to have patented a different disc brake design) 1 million unit warehouse, I mean plant - check Inconsistent information - check People please do your own research on this before parting with your hard earned 1947. Just a cursory glance on LinkedIn on profiles of these guys will make you question if they even have the skills to put together something like a high tech EV company. Better to be careful as there’s a lot of smoke and vapor ware. For me this is Nikola part deux, desi style. Last edited by Aditya : 2nd September 2021 at 19:46. Reason: Non-forum smileys deleted
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5252rpm BHPian Join Date: Dec 2020 Location: COK/BLR Posts: 130 Thanked: 552 Times	re: Dubious claims of the Simple Energy One electric scooter \| Might be based on an Ather (page 3) I found this article where all miscommunication is pointed out. Turns out overall launch event was poorly planned and excecuted. Many critical goofups which is highly unfavourable for a new product and brand launch. Hopes they dont end up messing the product itself. Specs looks fantastic,IMHO. World's best long range scooter being inhouse developed at #NammaBengaluru is something brag worthy. - Change in parameters such as peakpower & 0-100 figures. This article states that it was changed after Ola's launch. - Display model's registration number was originally of an Ather. - Production facility is far from promised reality. With current setup, not sure if they can achieve delivery commitments. - Ordeal of twitter tweets,deletion and retweets. Link : https://www.firstpost.com/tech/auto/...h-9905901.html
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pogo0120 BHPian Join Date: Aug 2019 Location: bangalore Posts: 168 Thanked: 455 Times	re: Dubious claims of the Simple Energy One electric scooter \| Might be based on an Ather (page 3) Hi, Any one getting communication from simple energy on refund? I have mailed twice, still no reply. Gosh..I should have waited for team bhp discussion before I placed the pre-order. Bad luck.
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rascalangel BHPian Join Date: May 2008 Location: GA-08 Posts: 190 Thanked: 416 Times	re: Dubious claims of the Simple Energy One electric scooter \| Might be based on an Ather (page 3) The simple energy story smells a lot like the Sathyam scam. Fake it till you make it. Looked like the launch was only to secure funding.
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pogo0120 BHPian Join Date: Aug 2019 Location: bangalore Posts: 168 Thanked: 455 Times	re: Dubious claims of the Simple Energy One electric scooter \| Might be based on an Ather (page 3) Cancellation option is now working. I cancelled my pre order, amount was refunded very next second! Fast.
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