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kphilip · 3rd February 2005, 09:18

hey techno, another thing i got to ask u, u have any idea what's the top speed for an ordinary pulsar 180, not dtsi. In the manual its written 107km/hr.. Is that true..i think its true, eventhough i made it till 110(that must be speedo error)...Mine is a 2003 june model.. I think the first versions of 180 was faster but mileage suffered for it!!..

Technocrat · 3rd February 2005, 11:12

The DTSi models(not the latest lots but the ones launched in 2003 Oct) are both faster(tho only marginally) & more economical.. the older pulsar 180 should go upto arnd 120 speedo indicated( some go even more depending on the amnt of error

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kphilip · 3rd February 2005, 11:29

techno,i go above hundred, i find it difficult to control the bike if there is no rear rider,if i install the k&N kit ,will i be able to control the bike at high speeds.I think the top speeds and acceleration increses if i install it, so can i be able to control it??what all should i do to get better driveabililty at high speeds??

speedsatya · 3rd February 2005, 11:36

in addition to the k&n u can play around with your gearing and hence your pick up and the top speeds.
to make your pulsar 180 go to 140+kph read this
http://overdrive.co.in/art_dtls.asp?...atures&code=17

vinsanity · 3rd February 2005, 11:40

Is it true that on the long run, the freeflow will hamper your bikes performance?!!

Rtech · 3rd February 2005, 11:54

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am running on slightly bigger jets which came wid classic Pulsar 180, size is 115 (stock for 180 DTSi was 112.5)

Thats good news for me then as I have the classic Pulsar. So that means a K&N would work just fine without any jet change!

kphilip · 3rd February 2005, 12:07

SATYA, thats a load of info in the site. i never know all this stuffs, in fact i was searching for what exactly is gear ratio..well said !!

vinsanity · 3rd February 2005, 12:27

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Originally Posted by vinsanity

Is it true that on the long run, the freeflow will hamper your bikes performance?!!

em, what say?!!

Does anyone have any info on that?!!
Remember, 'on the long run'........

Rtech · 3rd February 2005, 12:55

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Originally Posted by vinsanity

em, what say?!!

Does anyone have any info on that?!!
Remember, 'on the long run'........

There is no reason why a properly designed freeflow would cause any harm to your bike, short term or long.

However, the stuff being sold at every corner bike store here would probably do more harm than good. But that's the fault of the rider for not knowing any better, and the mechanic (if you can call them that) for knowing even less.

Get it done properly and you should have increased power throughout the revband. However that where the proper design comes into play. Some systems would reduce your midrange and increase your top end, others may do the opposite, and still others may increase or even decrease both.

speedsatya · 3rd February 2005, 12:56

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Originally Posted by vinsanity

em, what say?!!

Does anyone have any info on that?!!
Remember, 'on the long run'........

a properly designed free flow should be okay.i have a free flow in my car sionce the last 3.5 years and its still good.

Technocrat · 3rd February 2005, 13:28

@kphilip man the classic has some high speed handling issues coz it had tubular swingarm as against the now standard box Swingarm whihc helps in better stability at top speeds.. so stability at high speed will still be the same for u.

@rtech No man u'll have to upsize the jets, c i increased the stock fuel flow by increasing the jet size to 115 while 115 is stock for u, so if u increase the air flow by putting a K&N, u'll definetly have to put a suitable jet.

Freeflow will hamper the the engine if the fuel flow is not matching to the amnt of air flowing in.. if they are adjusted properly then no problemo

Tho it may sound very easy to put a bigger jet, to get the best tuning u need an expert.. even mine is not tuned properly i have simply puta bigger jet & iam sure aftre getting it tuned properly froma good mech the change in perf will be noticeable

Rtech · 3rd February 2005, 13:41

Techno, if I remember, you upgraded your 150 to a non dtsi 180. After adding the filter, you upsized your jets to 115, same as the Classic.

Now, seeing that I already have the 115, simply adding the filter and tinkering with the mixture screw should steady things out. Only way to tell is by trial and error though! First, I gotto check my timings with the stock setup.

vinsanity · 3rd February 2005, 13:48

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Originally Posted by speedsatya

a properly designed free flow should be okay.i have a free flow in my car sionce the last 3.5 years and its still good.

Okie.. So a K&N which KPhilip is going to put on his 180 wont be a problem later in the performance!!!!!!

kphilip · 3rd February 2005, 13:48

techno,i dint get the answer u have given for rtech.You mean we should increase the jetsize of our classic pulsar if we need to install K&N,rite..

vinsanity · 3rd February 2005, 13:55

Do we know anyone who has tried it out on his stock lassic 180?!!!! Ask him!! Then try it out!!
That'l be better than the trial and error method!!!!

3rd February 2005, 09:18	#16
kphilip BHPian Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Cochin Posts: 333 Thanked: 6 Times	hey techno, another thing i got to ask u, u have any idea what's the top speed for an ordinary pulsar 180, not dtsi. In the manual its written 107km/hr.. Is that true..i think its true, eventhough i made it till 110(that must be speedo error)...Mine is a 2003 june model.. I think the first versions of 180 was faster but mileage suffered for it!!..
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3rd February 2005, 11:12	#17
Technocrat Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: GTA Posts: 14,813 Thanked: 2,700 Times	The DTSi models(not the latest lots but the ones launched in 2003 Oct) are both faster(tho only marginally) & more economical.. the older pulsar 180 should go upto arnd 120 speedo indicated( some go even more depending on the amnt of error )
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3rd February 2005, 11:29	#18
kphilip BHPian Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Cochin Posts: 333 Thanked: 6 Times	techno,i go above hundred, i find it difficult to control the bike if there is no rear rider,if i install the k&N kit ,will i be able to control the bike at high speeds.I think the top speeds and acceleration increses if i install it, so can i be able to control it??what all should i do to get better driveabililty at high speeds??
	() Thanks

3rd February 2005, 11:36	#19
speedsatya Senior - BHPian Join Date: May 2004 Location: bangalore/manga Posts: 3,169 Thanked: 738 Times View My Garage	in addition to the k&n u can play around with your gearing and hence your pick up and the top speeds. to make your pulsar 180 go to 140+kph read this http://overdrive.co.in/art_dtls.asp?...atures&code=17
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3rd February 2005, 11:40	#20
vinsanity BHPian Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Patna Posts: 609 Thanked: 2 Times	Is it true that on the long run, the freeflow will hamper your bikes performance?!!
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3rd February 2005, 12:07	#22
kphilip BHPian Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Cochin Posts: 333 Thanked: 6 Times	SATYA, thats a load of info in the site. i never know all this stuffs, in fact i was searching for what exactly is gear ratio..well said !!
	() Thanks

3rd February 2005, 13:28	#26
Technocrat Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: GTA Posts: 14,813 Thanked: 2,700 Times	@kphilip man the classic has some high speed handling issues coz it had tubular swingarm as against the now standard box Swingarm whihc helps in better stability at top speeds.. so stability at high speed will still be the same for u. @rtech No man u'll have to upsize the jets, c i increased the stock fuel flow by increasing the jet size to 115 while 115 is stock for u, so if u increase the air flow by putting a K&N, u'll definetly have to put a suitable jet. Freeflow will hamper the the engine if the fuel flow is not matching to the amnt of air flowing in.. if they are adjusted properly then no problemo Tho it may sound very easy to put a bigger jet, to get the best tuning u need an expert.. even mine is not tuned properly i have simply puta bigger jet & iam sure aftre getting it tuned properly froma good mech the change in perf will be noticeable
	() Thanks

3rd February 2005, 13:41	#27
Rtech Team-BHP Support Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Bombay Posts: 5,770 Thanked: 359 Times View My Garage	Techno, if I remember, you upgraded your 150 to a non dtsi 180. After adding the filter, you upsized your jets to 115, same as the Classic. Now, seeing that I already have the 115, simply adding the filter and tinkering with the mixture screw should steady things out. Only way to tell is by trial and error though! First, I gotto check my timings with the stock setup.
	() Thanks

3rd February 2005, 13:48	#29
kphilip BHPian Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Cochin Posts: 333 Thanked: 6 Times	techno,i dint get the answer u have given for rtech.You mean we should increase the jetsize of our classic pulsar if we need to install K&N,rite..
	() Thanks

3rd February 2005, 13:55	#30
vinsanity BHPian Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Patna Posts: 609 Thanked: 2 Times	Do we know anyone who has tried it out on his stock lassic 180?!!!! Ask him!! Then try it out!! That'l be better than the trial and error method!!!!
	() Thanks