All about Two stroke (2T) oils

Raccoon · 24th July 2009, 01:33

As bike is critically low on oil, I decided to settle for Petronas Sprinta 5000. The sales guy said the manufacturing date is 2007 on the phone. Price quoted - Rs. 265/- for a litre bottle. When he came to deliver it, I found that it was imported in 2007 and manufactured in 2005!

Nuts!! That means its shelf life was at its limit! I refused it and told him to take it back.

Had to go and buy another bottle of Jet X.

No choice! Sob!!

People using Petronas here - whats the manufacturing date on your bottles? Don't bother about the date of import... thats hardly relevant.

Raccoon · 29th August 2009, 16:12

Guys, Motul 510 has landed in India from France. It is now available in Pune with the distributor. For other cities, please contact Motul and request for it.

Save the fully synthetic ester based Motul (which is v expensive), this is the next best oil available in India

Advantages:
Its the highest rated oil in India - JASO FD. No other 2t oil of this rating is available
Highest engine cleanliness compared to any other oil in India; hence much lesser need for risky manual decarbing
Semi-synthetic/Technosynthese - ester based
Made in France

Those here who are using the expensive Motul 800 and mixing it with cheaper oils for economy can consider this much better option, as its anyway a ester based semi-synth anyway. Those using it in cars - this will be the best option as it is supposed to leave the least residue compared to any 2t oil available here.

Guys, please consider trying this out. Future import of this oil will depend on whether there is some minimum demand for it. Price is a bit above Rs. 350/litre.

Those in Pune, can get their requirements right away from the distributor - 9850917992. Guys in other cities, if the product is not available with your local distributor, call/email the Motul guys who can make it available, depending on demand - 9920844428, 9920733582, abalwally at alsl.net, preetamg at alsl.net.

Please do post your reviews here after using it.

straight6 · 29th August 2009, 18:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raccoon

Guys, Motul 510 has landed in India from France. It is now available in Pune with the distributor. For other cities, please contact Motul and request for it.

Save the fully synthetic ester based Motul (which is v expensive), this is the next best oil available in India

Advantages:
Its the highest rated oil in India - JASO FD. No other 2t oil of this rating is available
Highest engine cleanliness compared to any other oil in India; hence much lesser need for risky manual decarbing
Semi-synthetic/Technosynthese - ester based
Made in France

Those here who are using the expensive Motul 800 and mixing it with cheaper oils for economy can consider this much better option, as its anyway a ester based semi-synth anyway. Those using it in cars - this will be the best option as it is supposed to leave the least residue compared to any 2t oil available here.

Guys, please consider trying this out. Future import of this oil will depend on whether there is some minimum demand for it. Price is a bit above Rs. 350/litre.

Those in Pune, can get their requirements right away from the distributor - 9850917992. Guys in other cities, if the product is not available with your local distributor, call/email the Motul guys who can make it available, depending on demand - 9920844428, 9920733582, abalwally at alsl.net, preetamg at alsl.net.

Please do post your reviews here after using it.

I would definitely buy a bottle if its available here as its time to top up the oil. Will you find out the exact price and let me know?

I spoke to the main distributor here and he said that he didn't have it in stock with him but said that he would order a carton if its landed here. He will let me know on Monday.

Raccoon · 29th August 2009, 23:54

Dude, just call up the numbers given above (other than the Poona distributor). I hope there will be enough demand in Bombay for them to make it available there. IIRC the price quoted to me was 380/-.

tj123 · 30th August 2009, 00:31

I know this is off topic but still felt that I must say this.

Guys stop using 2 Stoke engines all together & save the environment as inherently by design 2 strokes are polluting dragons.

Accept this fact that the best 2T oils will still pollute more than a old 4 stroke.
Switch to cleaner technologies for a better future.

straight6 · 2nd September 2009, 19:23

Just spoke to the new main distributor of Motul in Bombay along with the regional manager on a conference call.

7 cartons of 510 have been imported into Pune. One of them is coming to Bombay on my request. Price is 383/- but should be able to get it a little cheaper than that.

Raccoon · 3rd September 2009, 00:55

Hmm... I was told the consignment would be larger... Anyway, do let me know when you get it, how you find it and price. Are you buying a whole carton???

straight6 · 3rd September 2009, 09:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raccoon

Hmm... I was told the consignment would be larger... Anyway, do let me know when you get it, how you find it and price. Are you buying a whole carton???

No. I'll try 1 bottle.

SunnyBoi · 3rd September 2009, 12:45

1 carton = how many liters?

Raccoon · 3rd September 2009, 14:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by straight6

No. I'll try 1 bottle.

Me too. First I thought of ordering 2-3 bottles to stock up... but I better try it out first... though, considering its rating, price and origin, I expect it to be better than anything else in the Indian market.

Quote:

Originally Posted by SunnyBoi

1 carton = how many liters?

Don't recall exactly now... but I belive it will be 10 bottles = 10 litres.

fast_elegance · 3rd September 2009, 16:46

I need your help here, it might sound a little OT. My RX has been recently rebored and has run about 500 kms. The mechanic has used Castrol oil (green coloured) in the oil tank. I am thinking of changing to Yamalube (yellow coloured) on my next oil top up. Can i do this directly or do i need to flush the engine when i am changing oils

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Raccoon · 3rd September 2009, 19:32

^^^ Dude, your question isn't quite clear. I presume you are talking about about the 2t oil. Its never a good idea to mix oils or different. So the mixing will be prevented to the extent you remove the old 2t oil from the 2t tank. For doing this you could just drain the oil when it reaches the min. mark using the bleed screw. You could also remove it by removing one end of the plastic tube, but you will have to (*must*) bleed the system anyway. Flusing the engine in this case is not possible... as there is no oil in the engine (transmission is another matter) to flush. You can "flush" the 2t oil tank... but that will require much effort, and probably wont be worth the time.

If the Castrol you mentioned is green coloured, its probably Super TT. Its not a very good oil. Personally I have not tried Yamaha lube, but even that is said to be not as good as Shell VSX2 or Castrol Jet X, by people who have used it. Best is you try the Motul 510 I mentioned in previous posts.

fast_elegance · 3rd September 2009, 19:58

@Raccoon : Yes, I am talking about the 2T oil in the 2T oil tank/can. I am thinking of changing onto a different 2T oil brand once the current oil in the can gets over. I was concerned about the engine part as it has been rebored recently.

I remember once when i had used castrol super tt in my oil can and went for a service at Yamaha A.S.S. The supervisor over there on looking at the colour of the oil (green) freaked out and said that the engine has to be cleaned and fresh Yamaha lube has to be put in. I dont even know why he reacted so wildly as if i did some crime

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Raccoon · 4th September 2009, 15:39

^^^ Hmm... what exactly did he mean has to be cleaned?? And what did he actually do? Does not hold up to reason at all. While Castrol Super TT is not amongst the better oils, it wont blow up your engine! Nothing to get freaked up about. Hes just took you for a ride.

straight6 · 4th September 2009, 17:18

One carton of Motul has 12 bottles. At 380 odd this oil is still quite expensive. Petronas full synthetic is much cheaper.

There is no need to drain 2T oil. You can pour the new oil over the old one and eventually when you keep using one brand it won't be mixed.

That guy at Yamaha just made a fool of you seeing how naive you are.

24th July 2009, 01:33	#181
Raccoon Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Poona Posts: 1,851 Thanked: 116 Times	As bike is critically low on oil, I decided to settle for Petronas Sprinta 5000. The sales guy said the manufacturing date is 2007 on the phone. Price quoted - Rs. 265/- for a litre bottle. When he came to deliver it, I found that it was imported in 2007 and manufactured in 2005! Nuts!! That means its shelf life was at its limit! I refused it and told him to take it back. Had to go and buy another bottle of Jet X. No choice! Sob!! People using Petronas here - whats the manufacturing date on your bottles? Don't bother about the date of import... thats hardly relevant. Last edited by Raccoon : 24th July 2009 at 01:37.
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29th August 2009, 16:12	#182
Raccoon Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Poona Posts: 1,851 Thanked: 116 Times	Guys, Motul 510 has landed in India from France. It is now available in Pune with the distributor. For other cities, please contact Motul and request for it. Save the fully synthetic ester based Motul (which is v expensive), this is the next best oil available in India Advantages: Its the highest rated oil in India - JASO FD. No other 2t oil of this rating is available Highest engine cleanliness compared to any other oil in India; hence much lesser need for risky manual decarbing Semi-synthetic/Technosynthese - ester based Made in France Those here who are using the expensive Motul 800 and mixing it with cheaper oils for economy can consider this much better option, as its anyway a ester based semi-synth anyway. Those using it in cars - this will be the best option as it is supposed to leave the least residue compared to any 2t oil available here. Guys, please consider trying this out. Future import of this oil will depend on whether there is some minimum demand for it. Price is a bit above Rs. 350/litre. Those in Pune, can get their requirements right away from the distributor - 9850917992. Guys in other cities, if the product is not available with your local distributor, call/email the Motul guys who can make it available, depending on demand - 9920844428, 9920733582, abalwally at alsl.net, preetamg at alsl.net. Please do post your reviews here after using it. Last edited by Raccoon : 29th August 2009 at 16:14.
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29th August 2009, 23:54	#184
Raccoon Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Poona Posts: 1,851 Thanked: 116 Times	Dude, just call up the numbers given above (other than the Poona distributor). I hope there will be enough demand in Bombay for them to make it available there. IIRC the price quoted to me was 380/-.
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30th August 2009, 00:31	#185
tj123 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: BLR Posts: 1,166 Thanked: 704 Times	I know this is off topic but still felt that I must say this. Guys stop using 2 Stoke engines all together & save the environment as inherently by design 2 strokes are polluting dragons. Accept this fact that the best 2T oils will still pollute more than a old 4 stroke. Switch to cleaner technologies for a better future.
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2nd September 2009, 19:23	#186
straight6 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Bombay Posts: 2,562 Thanked: 310 Times	Just spoke to the new main distributor of Motul in Bombay along with the regional manager on a conference call. 7 cartons of 510 have been imported into Pune. One of them is coming to Bombay on my request. Price is 383/- but should be able to get it a little cheaper than that.
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3rd September 2009, 00:55	#187
Raccoon Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Poona Posts: 1,851 Thanked: 116 Times	Hmm... I was told the consignment would be larger... Anyway, do let me know when you get it, how you find it and price. Are you buying a whole carton???
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3rd September 2009, 12:45	#189
SunnyBoi Senior - BHPian Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Mysore / B'lore Posts: 1,720 Thanked: 4,461 Times	1 carton = how many liters?
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3rd September 2009, 16:46	#191
fast_elegance BHPian Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Mangalore/Bangalore Posts: 456 Thanked: 293 Times View My Garage	I need your help here, it might sound a little OT. My RX has been recently rebored and has run about 500 kms. The mechanic has used Castrol oil (green coloured) in the oil tank. I am thinking of changing to Yamalube (yellow coloured) on my next oil top up. Can i do this directly or do i need to flush the engine when i am changing oils .
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3rd September 2009, 19:32	#192
Raccoon Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Poona Posts: 1,851 Thanked: 116 Times	^^^ Dude, your question isn't quite clear. I presume you are talking about about the 2t oil. Its never a good idea to mix oils or different. So the mixing will be prevented to the extent you remove the old 2t oil from the 2t tank. For doing this you could just drain the oil when it reaches the min. mark using the bleed screw. You could also remove it by removing one end of the plastic tube, but you will have to (must) bleed the system anyway. Flusing the engine in this case is not possible... as there is no oil in the engine (transmission is another matter) to flush. You can "flush" the 2t oil tank... but that will require much effort, and probably wont be worth the time. If the Castrol you mentioned is green coloured, its probably Super TT. Its not a very good oil. Personally I have not tried Yamaha lube, but even that is said to be not as good as Shell VSX2 or Castrol Jet X, by people who have used it. Best is you try the Motul 510 I mentioned in previous posts. Last edited by Raccoon : 3rd September 2009 at 19:34.
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3rd September 2009, 19:58	#193
fast_elegance BHPian Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Mangalore/Bangalore Posts: 456 Thanked: 293 Times View My Garage	@Raccoon : Yes, I am talking about the 2T oil in the 2T oil tank/can. I am thinking of changing onto a different 2T oil brand once the current oil in the can gets over. I was concerned about the engine part as it has been rebored recently. I remember once when i had used castrol super tt in my oil can and went for a service at Yamaha A.S.S. The supervisor over there on looking at the colour of the oil (green) freaked out and said that the engine has to be cleaned and fresh Yamaha lube has to be put in. I dont even know why he reacted so wildly as if i did some crime .
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4th September 2009, 15:39	#194
Raccoon Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Poona Posts: 1,851 Thanked: 116 Times	^^^ Hmm... what exactly did he mean has to be cleaned?? And what did he actually do? Does not hold up to reason at all. While Castrol Super TT is not amongst the better oils, it wont blow up your engine! Nothing to get freaked up about. Hes just took you for a ride.
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4th September 2009, 17:18	#195
straight6 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Bombay Posts: 2,562 Thanked: 310 Times	One carton of Motul has 12 bottles. At 380 odd this oil is still quite expensive. Petronas full synthetic is much cheaper. There is no need to drain 2T oil. You can pour the new oil over the old one and eventually when you keep using one brand it won't be mixed. That guy at Yamaha just made a fool of you seeing how naive you are.
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