suzuki shogun Vs yam rx 100(which one?)

Tom · 21st June 2005, 16:26

RX-135 5sp is the obvious choice because:
better handling
spare parts easily available and quite cheap too
more power
more F.E
5th gear
lots of potentiel for further engine mods

artofzen · 21st June 2005, 17:22

Even i have a 2000 model last batch shogun with catcon,but just 14 bhp.TVS had plans to bring out 16 bhp shogun with alooys and disc brakes but didnt go ahead with that.By the way my shogun now runs(hardly runs it anyway)on elim rear tyres.and yes 23 FE ;-)

nitinbhag · 21st June 2005, 17:57

Rice, Shogun it is..
I am looking at selling off my 1995, MH-12 (Pune) registered shogun thats with me in Bangalore.. Its been looked after like a baby although it hasnt run in the last 2 years :-(.. Used to give me a mileage of 40-45 kmpl !!!!
PM me for more details if this interests you.

typeOnegative · 21st June 2005, 18:18

I would vote Yamaha. And an RX-135 5 speed if you swing that way (catcon taking away the appeal of the 14 horses). You should be able to get one for 20k and mod it like crazy. The Shogun is a howler and sets your pulse racing it is true while the Yamahas are more refined imho.

One of the grouses that I have had with the Shogun is its handling - get the bikes into corners and the Yamaha will smoke a Shogun. The other is the gear shift. Somehow I find the all down thingie a bit too outdated. Though I must confess that the Suzuki gear boxes are far more slick. Still it will be tougher to find a well maintained Shogun as opposed to a well maintained Yam.

hrag · 21st June 2005, 18:43

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Originally Posted by typeOnegative

One of the grouses that I have had with the Shogun is its handling - get the bikes into corners and the Yamaha will smoke a Shogun.

and a KB RTZ will smoke them both as if it was on a stroll in the park!

hrag

typeOnegative · 21st June 2005, 18:52

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Originally Posted by hrag

and a KB RTZ will smoke them both as if it was on a stroll in the park!

hrag

True. But if you bring in the 5-speed Yammie (stock) the RTZ will be smoked.

hrag · 21st June 2005, 18:56

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Originally Posted by typeOnegative

True. But if you bring in the 5-speed Yammie (stock) the RTZ will be smoked.

On a straight, yes! Through a corner, no way Jose!

We're digressing too much for our friend's benefit

typeOnegative · 21st June 2005, 19:13

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Originally Posted by hrag

On a straight, yes! Through a corner, no way Jose!

We're digressing too much for our friend's benefit

I am talking about corners dude. The 5-speed came with improved tyres.

It also helped that I put in Yezdi rubber. Also most of the RTZs I went up against were poorly maintained. Aha. And yeah we digress too much. Dude (to rice) stick to the Yamaha. LOL

Mpower · 21st June 2005, 19:49

Shogun is faster on paper and also has a stiffer suspension. But, the RX gives a better feel when you ride it especially power delivery.
I dont like the Shogun's engine note, seems like the piston is slapping all the time.

The RXGs and the RX-135 did'nt have the spunk that the 100 did because they were choked for emissions, but I believe you can do a port job+put a chamber and re-create the magic. RX has garbage tires, definetly need to be upgraded.

RX135 · 21st June 2005, 20:01

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Originally Posted by hrag

Handling wise, both are no great shakes (I own a KB, BTW) and high-speed stability is suspect in both.

Are you kidding? I have driven my RX135 from Satara to Pune in 1 hr 30 min. Approx. distance 120+ km. That includes 2 ghat sections (Khambataki and Katraj). No wonder, I love that bike! Being a family man has toned down my driving now, but 5 years back, I would have shown you how capable is the bike at corners. (Some of the younger t-bhpians can still do that

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Steeroid · 21st June 2005, 21:15

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Originally Posted by RX135

but 5 years back, I would have shown you how capable is the bike at corners. (Some of the younger t-bhpians can still do that

)

C'mon RX, you're never too old to scrape footpegs........just do it!

Steeroid · 21st June 2005, 21:18

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Originally Posted by typeOnegative

True. But if you bring in the 5-speed Yammie (stock) the RTZ will be smoked.

..and the 5 speed RTZ 125 would smoke the 5 speed Yam before the RD350 smokes all of them to kingdom come.

Steeroid · 21st June 2005, 21:19

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Originally Posted by typeOnegative

It also helped that I put in Yezdi rubber.

Yezdi rubber looked good to a lot of people, but it screwed up the final gearing (smaller wheels) and reduced top speed.

Now, if you used Yezdi wheels front and back you could've carried a stepney as a crashguard...

coloneljasi · 21st June 2005, 22:15

My!My!There ARE a lot of people out there who love the Shogun just like me.I used to own a 94' model from new till a year or so ago.I hated selling her.It was hard to come by genuine spares and with no dealer around anymore,I had to swap her for a comparatively mundane CBZ.The Shogun was the only Indian 2 wheeler,after the RD350 of course,that I wanted to ride just for the heck of it!Though I did only 55K on the Shogun in total,I loved every single km.How's Calicut-Bangalore in 6 running hours,six years ago!I still take that long (even longer) in a car nowadays!!4 strokes may be politically correct and more intune with what the world rides today....but 2 stokes were something else.

Mpower · 21st June 2005, 22:37

Anybody know how the 0-60 kph of Shogun compares with the Pulsar and Karizma. I think Shogun was around 5.5 secs.

21st June 2005, 16:26	#16
Tom BHPian Join Date: May 2004 Location: Bangalore, India. Posts: 401 Thanked: 0 Times	RX-135 5sp is the obvious choice because: better handling spare parts easily available and quite cheap too more power more F.E 5th gear lots of potentiel for further engine mods
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21st June 2005, 17:22	#17
artofzen BHPian Join Date: May 2004 Location: VOCI-LHR Posts: 735 Thanked: 68 Times View My Garage	Even i have a 2000 model last batch shogun with catcon,but just 14 bhp.TVS had plans to bring out 16 bhp shogun with alooys and disc brakes but didnt go ahead with that.By the way my shogun now runs(hardly runs it anyway)on elim rear tyres.and yes 23 FE ;-)
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21st June 2005, 17:57	#18
nitinbhag BHPian Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 262 Thanked: 2 Times	Rice, Shogun it is.. I am looking at selling off my 1995, MH-12 (Pune) registered shogun thats with me in Bangalore.. Its been looked after like a baby although it hasnt run in the last 2 years :-(.. Used to give me a mileage of 40-45 kmpl !!!! PM me for more details if this interests you.
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21st June 2005, 18:18	#19
typeOnegative Senior - BHPian Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Vikhroli, Mumbai, India Posts: 1,503 Thanked: 27 Times	I would vote Yamaha. And an RX-135 5 speed if you swing that way (catcon taking away the appeal of the 14 horses). You should be able to get one for 20k and mod it like crazy. The Shogun is a howler and sets your pulse racing it is true while the Yamahas are more refined imho. One of the grouses that I have had with the Shogun is its handling - get the bikes into corners and the Yamaha will smoke a Shogun. The other is the gear shift. Somehow I find the all down thingie a bit too outdated. Though I must confess that the Suzuki gear boxes are far more slick. Still it will be tougher to find a well maintained Shogun as opposed to a well maintained Yam.
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21st June 2005, 19:49	#24
Mpower Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Bangalore Posts: 10,409 Thanked: 1,730 Times View My Garage	Shogun is faster on paper and also has a stiffer suspension. But, the RX gives a better feel when you ride it especially power delivery. I dont like the Shogun's engine note, seems like the piston is slapping all the time. The RXGs and the RX-135 did'nt have the spunk that the 100 did because they were choked for emissions, but I believe you can do a port job+put a chamber and re-create the magic. RX has garbage tires, definetly need to be upgraded.
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21st June 2005, 22:15	#29
coloneljasi BHPian Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: KL-11 Posts: 686 Thanked: 251 Times View My Garage	My!My!There ARE a lot of people out there who love the Shogun just like me.I used to own a 94' model from new till a year or so ago.I hated selling her.It was hard to come by genuine spares and with no dealer around anymore,I had to swap her for a comparatively mundane CBZ.The Shogun was the only Indian 2 wheeler,after the RD350 of course,that I wanted to ride just for the heck of it!Though I did only 55K on the Shogun in total,I loved every single km.How's Calicut-Bangalore in 6 running hours,six years ago!I still take that long (even longer) in a car nowadays!!4 strokes may be politically correct and more intune with what the world rides today....but 2 stokes were something else.
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21st June 2005, 22:37	#30
Mpower Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Bangalore Posts: 10,409 Thanked: 1,730 Times View My Garage	Anybody know how the 0-60 kph of Shogun compares with the Pulsar and Karizma. I think Shogun was around 5.5 secs.
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