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A higher upsize, say 195/65 R15, if available, would mean a sidewall height of almost 127mm. I would say you shouldn't go too far from the original width since the rim width is designed for a short range of sizes that can sit safely on it without posing problems, especially when cornering at speed. Cheers | |
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That is the main thing I was interested in with this car. The current City's suspension is so thrashy & noisy that it gets tiring after a long drive specially when you are used to driving any European car. I am maintaining my tyre pressure at 26psi and the suspension still shudder's and thuds through bad patches on the roads. |
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| ![]() Great review as always GTO. I do have a few questions : ) : -The Wheel to Wheel arch gap seems ungainly. Can one put alloys that are 1" bigger than the current ones? If so, How would it effect comfort? -If one gets the 195mm Tyre upgrade as is recommended, How will it effect high speed cornering ability and will it noticeably improve straight line stability on the highways? Also, How much will FE be negatively effected by this change? |
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| ![]() With the engine specs, interior space and feature lists this looks more like a Corolla Altis killer than competition to Vento/Rapid. Vento / Rapid is like a compact and low cost Jetta / Octavia and typically when it comes to driving pleasure Honda / Toyota cannot match them in the service department. Good to see the Diesel city finally, but they could really have done a better job by fine tuning the engine to have better specs than Amaze. Also while improving on the lack of features on 3rd gen city, Honda still left behind some other needed features like height adjustable seat belts, adjustable lumbar support, wider tyres, proper dead pedal etc. I hope they do sensible pricing considering all these and make City a runaway success ![]() |
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| ![]() Couple of things I noticed about the City from watching all the TV auto show reviews today. The first is that the chrome grill doesn't look half as bad as some of the pictures suggest because the angled top half deflects the light and makes the grill look slimmer. One can clearly see the slant and it's effect in the first picture of the Team-BHP review of the maroon car. The pictures that follow of the silver car are from the most unflattering angle that makes the chrome band look like one solid slab. The second thing I noticed is that those alloys don't look bad at all when the car is in motion. The spokes visually appear to move in the opposite direction to the motion of the wheels and at speed the kink in the alloys accentuates that effect. |
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Tanwaramit is right. The City CNG didn't come with a factory fitted kit. It came with factory tweaks to the engine and rear suspension but the kit was fitted at Rohan BRC outlets. So you needed to ask for the modified car at the time of placing the order, which the dealer would then take to Rohan BRC to complete the job before handing it to you. http://articles.economictimes.indiat...cng-technology |
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Yup, here is the link, http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/indian...-launched.html please see page 4 & 5. |
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From the petrols, it would definitely be the Honda City. The Linea is now too long in the tooth and feels outdated. It's 5 years since the time of its launch in India (and 7 internationally). Would be a good used buy, but certainly not new. If I were to spend 10 lakhs tomorrow, I'd go out and buy a pre-owned VW Jetta 2.0 TDI 6-speed MT (current gen). I prefer pre-worshipped over brand new. Quote:
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![]() A wonderful, detailed, crisp, dynamite of a review! With all the attention given to even the minutest of details, it has raised this Team-BHP review to a notch much above all other Team-BHP reviews till date. 5-stars for the review, and 5 more for the fantastic, detailed pictorial. Hats off, GTO! Much has been said about the 2014 City's strong points and weaknesses, so I won't repeat those. But, I thank GTO and his review team for helping me in finalising a critical decision for myself - I have cancelled my booking of the 2014 City. Reasons: I had booked the 2014 City on 7th November. Back then there wasn't any concrete information about the new-gen City, except for what Team-BHPian sawnilrules had reported in the other City thread. Based on that info, plus the unveiling of the 2013 Fit, and the (pretty strong) rumors of Honda going the VGT route for the diesel offering, I had made the decision of booking the diesel. In short, I was expecting an all-new City with front looks of the 2013 Fit/Vezel (similar to the rendering doing the rounds back then), an all-new platform, a bunch of new, unique features to go up against the closest C-segment competitor, a carried-over/all-new rear and side profile, and most importantly, a VGT-enabled diesel (at least, to distinguish itself from the Amaze) and a nicely tweaked petrol. The unveiling on 25th November was the first disappointment. Despite the razmatazz surrounding the novel features offered in the new City, and despite trying to convince myself that the new one will have more reasons to smile (inside, rather than outward looks), the City looked too familiar, specially from the front/side. No marks to Honda for not improving on anything over the current-gen City externally, except for that fantastic rear. "If it ain't broken, don't fix it, but fix everything else which is broken", seemed to be Honda's mantra, but it is really disappointing because this was supposed to be an all-new generation. There was supposed to be some revolution. The evolution will be appreciated by the general car-buying public who run to Maruti/Hyundai showrooms with their eyes closed, but for people like me, it went nowhere. The side profile of the current-gen is actually WAY better than that of this one and looks much cleaner (the indent-like crease stretching across the body looks outlandish, IMO), and even with the loud, aggressive grille of the current-gen in front, it's still WAY better than the overloaded chrome moustache provided in the 2014 City. Nice looking headlamps, but expected better from Honda, since the competition is moving up (heck, Maruti is offering projectors on the Stingray!) Interiors are basically a carbon copy of the current gen (even the glove compartment looks the same). Most changes are restricted to the dashboard with that superb touchscreen ACC, new HU, etc. But the layout makes it look half-baked - most of the additions (hazard light button, start/stop button) were thrown in at the last possible moment, as if the engineers had completely forgotten about them and were suddenly reminded by the design team about what things they had missed. Is it just me or was anyone else reminded of the Hyundais when you saw those phone controls on the 2014 City's steering? It will be a distraction while driving in the city, specially for those who get a lot of calls. I, for one, prefer the controls on the steering itself (as buttons on both sides of the horn pad). Let's hope that the "handsfree" function does its job. Most of the stuff sawnilrules had listed in his post had made it into the 2014 City, except the bi-xenons/projectors. With the amount of premium Honda will command for the top VX variants now, they should have provided projectors at least. Even halogen-based ones would have been welcome. Points from GTO's review: The City is supposed to be a premium sedan, right? The most-cherished premium sedan of the country has door panels moving when the windows are rolled down/up?! What were the Honda guys thinking? A big thumbs up for moving the fuel tank to the rear. The increased wheelbase allowed them to do so I guess. Safety-wise, that's great. Engine-guard was much needed. The current-gen came with thinner, separate panels at the bottom which didn't do much guarding, so if this one is thicker, it should do the job. Same tyres and an alloy design inspired by the bullock-cart wheels?! So, someone spending close to 15L OTR for the VX diesel has to spend at least another 40K on a good set of alloys + upsized tyres?! At least with the current-gen City, there was a choice of alloys between the S MT (5-spoke) and the V MT (10-spoke Accord-ish). Hoping (against hope) that the same is continued with the 2014 City as well, and we have some nice, gunmetal-finish alloys (even 10-spoke ones) offered on the S MT variant. Whoever chose those particular alloys for the 2014 City in the Honda R&D team, really, really need to get their heads examined. Biggest disappointment and grouse - the diesel is a carbon copy of the Amaze. Same power, same torque, in short, identical. Only a 6th gear differentiates the Amaze and the City. That, and a 0.2 kmpl ARAI figure. The Amaze diesel has suddenly become a VFM offering, compared to the City, because now basically, spending another 6L over and above the Amaze VX will get you a 6th gear, a bunch of frill features, some more interior space, better plastics and bunch of chrome whatnots. (long list of features yes, but still beaten by the Verna/Fiesta) No thanks. If I move to the petrol, it won't make sense to get a similar car to my Silver Pegasus just for a bunch of added features at an extra cost. The i-VTEC is the same, with a negligible bump in figures. Basically, its the same car with an all-new dashboard and a 60mm extension thrown into the deal. My Pegasus is serving me just fine. The engine has nicely opened up by now and I am getting some superb performances in the highway runs. No doubt the petrol is the enthusiast's choice, because the i-VTEC is in a league of it's own! Combine that with the mind-boggling FE figures I am achieving both inside the city and on the highways, and it's pretty much an eyes-shut exercise in decision making. And, my Pegasus boasts of some stuff which even this 2014 City doesn't have - Focals, a full touchscreen DVD/BT Head Unit, JBL GTOs, etc. And, now that the 2014 City has been launched with all these added features, it's a given that they will be continued for future generations as well. We can expect a facelift to this one by 2017 and the next-generation City by 2020 (going by the product lifecycle), and that would make more sense as an upgrading choice. Let's hope that VGT and/or turbocharged petrols/diesels come into the equation by then. Quite frankly put, the only 2 appeals this 2014 City has, are it's rear derriere and that fantastic looking ACC. Nothing else excites me now. Considering all of the above, my booking stands cancelled. I will now wait for the all-new 2014 Jazz to be unveiled. Really hope that they give us the 2013 Fit, and not another half-baked product like the 2014 City. In the end, we wouldn't want the entire world to have the 2013 Fit while we in India got a tweaked, older-gen Jazz, much like the 2014 City. If Honda proves me right, it will replace our Ritz in my garage. Last edited by RavenAvi : 22nd December 2013 at 15:46. | ||
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| ![]() My take is that besides subjective looks and features offered, Honda is probably also trying to offer customers two option: a very frugal and economical diesel for buyers that always keeps mileage as top priority and not power. Another option will be to offer their tried and tested petrol engine that focus more on power and driving dynamics then economy. I would not be surprised to see aggressive pricing of Diesel version that also offers 6 gears transmission by the way as compared to 5 gear/CVT based Petrol engine. With this version they have simply delivered a vehicle that was missing sorely in the 3rd Gen Honda City. Cannot end my reply without thanking GTO for a detailed review that will be read by many potential buyers no doubt. My suggestion will be to do a comparison with all the competing cars like Verna, Vento, Rapid etc early next year after it starts selling. Last edited by saurabhdadhichi : 22nd December 2013 at 15:51. |
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| ![]() There was another city model before the one put up in the review. |
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