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Old 24th July 2019, 23:46   #16
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Drive both back to back and it should answer your query. There is a lot of difference between what "on paper figures" suggest and how a car actually behaves out on the road.

Also the new engine can be made to BS6 complaint but the old 1.3 wasn't.

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I do understand that there will be differences between the engines. There are definitely benefits and reasons to introduce the new 1.5 which has been covered in the first post. But still , isn't an addition of 4 bhp a bit of a lazy attempt? Considering that most of the competition has 110 bhp +
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But still, isn't an addition of 4 bhp a bit of a lazy attempt? Considering that most of the competition has 110 bhp +
Maruti has played a safe game here, they have kept sufficient bandwith to increase the power levels in future. I am sure with the BS-6 engine you will see an increase in power up to 100-105 bhp.
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I do understand that there will be differences between the engines. There are definitely benefits and reasons to introduce the new 1.5 which has been covered in the first post. But still , isn't an addition of 4 bhp a bit of a lazy attempt? Considering that most of the competition has 110 bhp +
4-5 HP gains obviously doesn't look anything significant on "paper". But, look at the 0-100 timing, Ciaz 1.5 DDIS does it in 10.8 seconds, that's more than 2 seconds faster than 1.3 DDIS. How did Maruti achieve that with just 4 HP gains ? The answer is power-torque curve. 1.5 DDIS has peak torque held for longer revv band which results in better power delivery and faster timings. All the figures on paper are just the peak values.

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No owner will complain about the performance, but it is far from being "fast" like the Verna 1.6. Dr. Naren's V-Box post has the Ciaz doing the 0-100 dash in 10.8 seconds, which is quicker than the 1.3L, but can't match the Verna's low 9.xx second time.
The very detailed and informative V-Box run of Ciaz 1.5 DDIS was done by BHPian vivekji05 who is also editor of Quarter Mile magazine .

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From what I heard from a friend, this the perfect balance between power and economy for MSIL. He says that if 95% of the people found the 1.3 MJD okay, 99% will accept this engine. I do agree that lack of AT will bite Maruti's backside hard. Wonder if they couldn't have gone to Toyota for help. Detune the engine and use the 2010 Corolla's 4 speed AT?
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Considering that most of the competition has 110 bhp +
You've to remember that the 1.3 was made by Fiat and this one is made by Suzuki, the former has been making diesel engines for a couple of years and latter is not an expert in diesel engines.

I'm not complaining about the low power as MSIL never wanted their cars to lead in power figures in the segment, just the sales. Also, making new engines takes a lot of work and years to perfect it. MSIL had to be careful not to screw up the refinement aspect as it got a lot of flak for the Celerio diesel.

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The new 1.5 L DDiS engine is really one of the most practical engines that Suzuki could develop for India. It's good for city usage and relaxed for highway though some spirited drivers may want a little more.

It has a great torque range available from 1500 rpm which makes it really usable in Indian context. Most Maruti customers also are sensitive to fuel efficiency. So by this, Maruti has done a good balancing act.

Let's remember that this has FGT , so adding more power with a VGT is still possible and MS will want to introduce that engine later. It will put it directly head on with current engines of it's rivals and it can still be better than many others like VW 1.5TDi, Nissan/Renault 1.5 dci etc.
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I don’t get this rip-off attitude of charging different premiums as per the variants. Here’s a quick sheet I prepared to illustrate how much more the new 1.5L costs over the 1.5L petrol & 1.3L diesel. Zeta owners take the largest hit!
Attachment 1898185
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GTO, your table answers the question of why the lowest version has the smallest premium. IMHO, it has been done to keep the car below 10 lakhs!!
psychological barrier and all that.
It would be interesting to see how they move the pricing around after BS VI...

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• while the EGR system is towards the front of the engine making it easier to clean and service.
I doubt the EGR valve and cooler is at the front because the intake manifold is still towards the firewall, like the previous 1.3 MJD.

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EGR valve sits in front of the engine:

That is the wastegate actuator of turbo.
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I doubt the EGR valve and cooler is at the front because the intake manifold is still towards the firewall, like the previous 1.3 MJD.
You are right, that the wastegate actuator of turbo (red circle). The EGR is somewhere behind the blue arrow (not visible from the top):
Maruti 1.5L Diesel : Official Review (Ciaz, Ertiga)-2019maruticiaz1.5d34.jpg
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The new 1.5 L DDiS engine is really one of the most practical engines that Suzuki could develop for India.
It will put it directly head on with current engines of it's rivals and it can still be better than many others like VW 1.5TDi, Nissan/Renault 1.5 dci etc.
This is a practical engine for Indian customers, appreciate your spirited words. VW and Renault are masters of diesel engines, Maruti can never reach their levels in terms of performance. Going by the future norms, it is an expensive effort without any gains.
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You are right, that the wastegate actuator of turbo (red circle). The EGR is somewhere behind the blue arrow (not visible from the top):
Attachment 1898607
Ok, under the heatshield is the EGR valve. Getting to this valve would definitely be easier.
Maruti 1.5L Diesel : Official Review (Ciaz, Ertiga)-egr1.jpg

Manifold is still at the backside of the engine. So cleaning sludge and soot would be as difficult as in 1.3MJD. Wonder where they have placed the EGR cooler, which is another EGR paraphernalia which can get clogged (and if present usually placed close to the intake manifold).
Maruti 1.5L Diesel : Official Review (Ciaz, Ertiga)-egr2.jpg

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Anyone dreaming of this 1.5L mill on a little heavier/safer Swift? Should be one hoot to drive. Instead of the sticker editions, Maruti should consider plonking this engine and launching as Swift RS!
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your table answers the question of why the lowest version has the smallest premium. IMHO, it has been done to keep the car below 10 lakhs!!
thanks!

I noticed that the Ciaz 1.5L Diesel weighs lesser than the 1.3L. Is the aluminium 1.5L lighter than the cast-iron 1.3L?

Ciaz 1.3L weight range : 1125 - 1145

Ciaz 1.5L weight range: 1110 - 1125

Both figures provided by Maruti.

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Anyone dreaming of this 1.5L mill on a little heavier/safer Swift? Should be one hoot to drive. Instead of the sticker editions, Maruti should consider plonking this engine and launching as Swift RS!
I mentioned that in my post as well !! It will be one heck of a car and give sleepless nights for VW Polo GT TDI/ TSI, Tiago JTP and Figo Blu

But, it's MARUTI ! They need volumes to sell

So we need to stop dreaming about it.
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Ciaz 1.3L weight range : 1125 - 1145

Ciaz 1.5L weight range: 1110 - 1125

Both figures provided by Maruti.
1.3 has SHVS , 1.5 doesn't. This is also the reason for lesser weight in Ciaz 1.5 .
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Going by the future norms, it is an expensive effort without any gains.
If MSIL can get it BS-VI compliant, they have a lot to gain. Diesel engines will be here at least till 2030. In addition to Ertiga, Ciaz, Maruti will plonk this engine in Brezza, S-cross and probably in Dzire, Baleno too. As, Blackwasp has pointed out, it's 30% of their sales. I, too, believe that all those stories of end of Diesel engine for Maruti, are just clever PR ploy. Weren't they saying that Alto would be gone after the revised crash norms!
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