[Highflyer]

Is there any news about launch of latest variant of Tucson in India? It has come to Europe, USA and few SE Asian countries. They have also given options of mild and strong hybrid power trains.

https://www.hyundaiusa.com/us/en/vehicles/2023-tucson

This one is the US model.

[DesertRider]

Originally Posted by Samurai

HTRAC is a bit mysterious system, Hyundai doesn't really give a technical diagram anywhere. Effectively, it has a center clutch, which is electronically controlled to send different torque splits based on various sensor inputs.

I see. So, this central clutch is just modulating torque across front and rear axles, and the control of torque on individual wheels is through brakes.

Now, what is the affect of this on typical tarmac drives. Does it improves the stability on high speeds?

[Samurai]

How good is the floor mats from the Hyundai showroom? The dealer sent me this accessories list, but Tucson is not even listed there.

https://hyundaimobisin.com/products/genuine-accessories

Originally Posted by DesertRider

Now, what is the affect of this on typical tarmac drives. Does it improves the stability on high speeds?

Well, they make that claim. Without knowing how HTRAC really works, your guess is as good as mine.

[DesertRider]

Originally Posted by Highflyer

They have also given options of mild and strong hybrid power trains.

I think Hyundai could introduce its Hybrid powertrain in India through Tucson around Y25-first-half.

There is a high probability that VW and Skoda would be introducing their hybrid powertains in new gen Tiguan and Kodiaq respectively by Y24 second half. Such Hybrid offerings could easily command a premium of 5-6 lakhs over ICE counterparts.

These launches would also provide a first indication of consumer sentiments towards hybrid offerings in semi-premium mid-size SUV segment.

Hence, it could be a good datapoint for Hyundai to decide whether or not to introduce Hybrid tech in India by Y25.

[rajshenoy]

Originally Posted by DesertRider

Hence, it could be a good datapoint for Hyundai to decide whether or not to introduce Hybrid tech in India by Y25.

Hybrid = RIP diesel.

Hyundai at least has decent sales numbers today for their 1.5D (not sure what is the % share of diesel on Tucson).

Only Tata, Mahindra and Toyota(crysta/fortuner) are offering big capacity diesel engines today and it will be even more easier for Toyota to go for hybrids.

[DesertRider]

Originally Posted by rajshenoy

Hybrid = RIP diesel.

Hyundai at least has decent sales numbers today for their 1.5D (not sure what is the % share of diesel on Tucson).

Yes, I agree that if Hybrid tech (Full Hybrid, PHEV) is introduced in mainstream offerings, Diesel would be dead for sure.

However, I believe that if goverment does not offer any tax benefits on Hybrid, this tech would remain limited only to premium offerings for next 3-4 years.

Any Hybrid would command a significant premium over ICE counterparts. Hence, until government is not ready to pave way towards it, auto industry would be fine offering affordable ICEs in their mainstream offerings. (assuming that Petroleum prices do not sky rocket in a next few years)

[Livnletcarsliv]

Originally Posted by DesertRider

1. Does it makes a difference to on-tarmac ride?
2. Does it improves the high speed cornering stability?
3. What are the performance and technical differences (high level) between HTRAC, 4MOTION (Tiguan, Kodiaq), and Jeep's 4WD (compass)?
4. Does the increased complexity from HTRAC affects durability? And, is it worth it?

1. Yes. There WILL be a difference. But that difference will be marginal, especially on our road conditions.
2. There will be no significant difference here as well. Tucson's soft sprung suspension makes the car no corner craver. There are a lot more factors that decide the cornering ability. So irrespective of 2WD/AWD, Tucson high speed cornering is just ok.
3. There is no direct comparison between all 3 you've mentioned ASAIK. In all sense, from what I understand is that all are AWD. Compass Trailhawk additionally comes with 4L as well. So ideally, on paper, the Traihawk is the better AWD system of all ones here. Again, can you please be more specific what performance parameters do you want know?
4. So from a durability point of view, I don't think there is anything to worry about HTRAC's durability because HTRAC is not Tucson or India specific. We still have numerous AWD cars (including other brands) >10-15-20 years still running in India with no issues.

Regarding the worthiness, IF 2L is extendable, it's better to have a car with AWD and not worry about that 2% of time instead of getting stuck later and think that I should have chosen the AWD instead of 2WD.

[DesertRider]

Originally Posted by Livnletcarsliv

3. There is no direct comparison between all 3 you've mentioned ASAIK. In all sense, from what I understand is that all are AWD. Compass Trailhawk additionally comes with 4L as well. So ideally, on paper, the Traihawk is the better AWD system of all ones here. Again, can you please be more specific what performance parameters do you want know?

Thanks for the helpful inputs.

My questions around the various AWD comparisons are specific to their on-tarmac performance, cornering etc.
For ex., do these AWDs differ in their performance of torque modulation during cornering on hilly roads?

[Samurai]

Originally Posted by Livnletcarsliv

Compass Trailhawk additionally comes with 4L as well. So ideally, on paper, the Traihawk is the better AWD system of all ones here.

Not really, it is a fake 4L. I was quite disappointed by that implementation when I drove it in the official review.

[inquizzitive]

Guys, I will get my vehicle delivered next week. Is there anyone in Thane who can volunteer to join for the PDI ?

Regards,
Anshul

[Livnletcarsliv]

Originally Posted by DesertRider

My questions around the various AWD comparisons are specific to their on-tarmac performance, cornering etc.
For ex., do these AWDs differ in their performance of torque modulation during cornering on hilly roads?

That depends on the torque distribution between the front and rear. Unfortunately, there is nowhere I can find that exact number. However, these are normal commuter cars. So the difference will not be significant. So if cornering performance is what you are looking for, then Tiguan and Compass are better than Tucson in the same order.

Originally Posted by Samurai

Not really, it is a fake 4L. I was quite disappointed by that implementation when I drove it in the official review.

As expected. These brands take us for granted and try to trick us with these jargons to mint more money/profit.

[MyTucson2021]

Originally Posted by OceanWaves

Hi

Booked the New Tucson AWD Diesel Signature on Monday. Went with the Starry Night color as this color has a mix of 2 shades, black and deep blue.

Any Starry night owners here? Would love to hear their feedback on how the color is holding up

Starry Night 2021 Tucson. Had 3M teflon coated upon delivery. The color is holding up as new - been 2.5 years now.
Go for it

[heydj]

Originally Posted by rajshenoy

Sweet write up, I am sure Tucson will keep you and family happy for long long time.

Curious to know the difference between XUV and Tucson since both are diesels and XUV700 diesel also is one of the most refined engines out there(I haven’t tried Tucson though).

I bought Tucson Diesel last year and in same apartment block someone I know owns new XUV700 Diesel.

Now no offence to anyone here and I am no expert but here are my views after driving both in last 6 months:
- XUV 700 and Tucson Diesel cannot be compared, different segments.
- Tucson Diesel is more refined with gear changes not felt and pickup is very smooth. XUV is jerky shifts and lags every now and then.
- Even at 100, Tucson feels like it has lot of energy in reserve but XUV feels like it's nearing its upper range. Note, I drive Tucson on normal mode as Sports mode is too much for me.
- XUV is 7 speed AT vs 8 speed in Tucson. While number of gears is no criteria for success but in Tucson tuning of gears to engine power is kind of perfect.

@Oceanwaves - I have starry night and even without any coating it's holding up well.

[Sandegov]

Originally Posted by heydj

- Even at 100, Tucson feels like it has lot of energy in reserve but XUV feels like it's nearing its upper range. Note, I drive Tucson on normal mode as Sports mode is too much for me.

For reference, 100kmph in a XUV Diesel AT comes in at ~1500-1600rpm in top gear

[SamDiablo]

Originally Posted by heydj

- Tucson Diesel is more refined with gear changes not felt and pickup is very smooth. XUV is jerky shifts and lags every now and then.
- Even at 100, Tucson feels like it has lot of energy in reserve but XUV feels like it's nearing its upper range. Note, I drive Tucson on normal mode as Sports mode is too much for me..

I drive XUV700 Diesel AT as my daily use vehicle. Haven't felt jerk in gear shifts. In fact one of my friend who is getting his 700 delivered next week asked on a long drive how do you know when the gear shift happens as he was not able to feel over a 200 km stretch. Only when Turbo kicks in you know that something is happening. Maybe I'm biased but I'll not call XUV700 diesel gear shifts jerky.

Second statement regarding like 700 nearing it's uper range at 100 is so untrue. In xip and zoom modes 700's rpm is 1500-1600 at 6th gear, which means 3000 more left at your disposal and I don't even feel engine is making any sort of effort. Even when you are at 100 just a gentle push of the A pedal and in no time you will be touching 130+, with still so much left at your disposal.