[Sphere]

Originally Posted by theabstractmind

I really wonder if the teen would have been let go so easily if he or she was from a lower economic strata of the society. No. This doesn't fit right.

Yes, well infact he would have been released much earlier. This case gained extreme social media attention BECAUSE he was a rich guy with a Porsche. As someone mentioned above, that even if it was him in a car like Creta, the case wouldn't be SUCH a big deal. And if it was someone with from a lower economic strata, he would be released easily, because of lack of social media attention.

Do you know about the minor from UP who killed 2, was given bail and then killed 5 after a few months. He was granted bail for the second time. There was ZERO national coverage about that case.

There have been 2 more accidents in Pune itself (within 1-2 weeks) after this case where people have died:
1. A truck at high speed rear ended a woman on a scooter and she died.
2. An ST bus driver looses control due to over speeding in Chandni Chowk and ends up killing 1 biker and injuring others.

One biker died right infront of my society gate (which I witnessed live) because he was crumpled under the rear wheels of a dumper. His splendor was crushed into pieces. People stopped to catch the driver, call emergency services and most of them to take photos. I did not read a single news article or a news channel covering it. I have photos, but they are not appropriate (and also disturbing) to share here.

There was hardly any media coverage on these accidents because they were from the lower background.

[theabstractmind]

Originally Posted by Sphere

Yes, well infact he would have been released much earlier. This case gained extreme social media attention BECAUSE he was a rich guy with a Porsche.

Do you know about the minor from UP who killed 2, was given bail and then killed 5 after a few months. He was granted bail for the second time. There was ZERO national coverage about that case. .

I don't know about the UP incident. But, irrespective of media coverage, I think the judicial system has failed the society, especially in the latter case where bail was given a second time. I have said this multiple times, when someone resorts to a mere technicality, the system fails the aggrieved. But let's be in no illusion, it is irrefutable that money and political power play a huge role in these cases. If it was an average Joe, the police would have given some slaps at least before releasing, if at all.

[raptor_diwan]

Does this mean the teen lawyer will have the upper hand to argue?

Porsche has issued a global recall for all Taycan models that have been manufactured since its launch in 2020. The German automaker has not disclosed the precise number of cars affected by the recall, but it has sold more than 150,000 examples worldwide since its launch. The issue concerns the front brake hoses

Recall (Porsche recalls every single Taycan made so far - potential brake failure)

[aravind.anand]

Originally Posted by raptor_diwan

Does this mean the teen lawyer will have the upper hand to argue?

Recall (Porsche recalls every single Taycan made so far - potential brake failure)

If there is an actual footage of that kid driving within speed limits, or proof for that kid not having been under the influence of alcohol or actual proof that the kid had applied the brakes but the car hadn't slowed down as expected, then yes

[theabstractmind]

https://www.deccanherald.com/india/m...ictims-3095058

Wah re mere desh! No. I'm not a bloodmonger. But, cases like these should not be let go. Basically it is murder. Irrespective of the car or economic standing of the driver. Sad.

[SideSwipe]

Drunk kid gets bail and completes 15 day safe driving programme

Father and grandfather granted bail.

Above all the family pleads the release of the vehicle.
https://www.indiatoday.in/india/stor...061-2024-08-20

We live in a wonderful world.

[Cresterk]

Originally Posted by SideSwipe

Drunk kid gets bail and completes 15 day safe driving programme

Father and grandfather granted bail.

Above all the family pleads the release of the vehicle.
https://www.indiatoday.in/india/stor...061-2024-08-20

We live in a wonderful world.

Just as predicted. Wait a while for
public attention to be elsewhere. Slip away scot free. Maybe make a considerable donation to a few politicians etc for their troubles.
Need the car back to wipe any evidence in the ECU so the case cannot be reopened at a later date. If it is not approved, I’m guessing the car will mysteriously burn down one day in police custody and it will be blamed on the victim’s family or some angry protestor.

[Gennex]

Though the Goddess of justice is unbiased. We live in a country which has a different unwritten law for influential people and another for poor.

[Akash5653]

I'm just wondering what they would do with the Porsche? Anybody?

[dust-n-bones]

Originally Posted by SideSwipe

Drunk kid gets bail and completes 15 day safe driving programme

Father and grandfather granted bail.

Above all the family pleads the release of the vehicle.
https://www.indiatoday.in/india/stor...061-2024-08-20

We live in a wonderful world.

I would, on the contrary, say that the law has worked more or less correctly here - so far.
The accused is a juvenile, and others have a right to bail till the case is proven. They should not be in jail because the media treats it as a bloodsport, or the rest of us have made up our minds based on CCTV leaks.

So far so good. Where everything is likely to go south has to do with what happens next - our public prosecution and justice system. The prosecution has had ample time to collect forensic evidence, including the ECU record, simulation of the accident, tyre marks and impact damage to assess the speeds involved.
But the clinching evidence may have been allowed to fade away, witness records would have holes, corroborative evidence would be absent. We already saw what happened to the blood samples.

There is no positive incentive in our system to prepare a water tight prosecution, and there are many to let it slip away. Corruption - maybe, but lack of training leading to incompetence may be equally responsible.

On top of this, the courts will take an eternity to find there are no grounds for a conviction. And the cynicism cycle (quite correctly) keeps building up.

[Ays7]

I would personally not grudge the fact that the family or the juvenile has been granted bail. We have a system which categorically states "Innocent till proven guilty". It will be a travesty of justice if under-trials are kept inside jails indefinitely before being pronounced guilty.

Each and every allegation has to be proved by the prosecuting agency before a Competent court, which is then expected to look into the evidence and then pronounce a judgement.

I have fullest sympathies with the victims here. And I have zero sympathy for the accused and his family. At the same time, instead of grudging them bail, because they are rich and influential, we should canvass and hope for a criminal justice system that can dish out justice swiftly and efficiently.

We badly need more courts and judges, working in 2 shifts to ensure that trials are conducted quickly. I will be very happy to see the accused behind bars, once they are convicted.

I see no sense in under trials behind bars, because that has capacity for indefinite abuse by the Investigative agencies.

Just my two cents.

[SideSwipe]

Originally Posted by dust-n-bones

others have a right to bail till the case is proven. They should not be in jail because the media treats it as a bloodsport, or the rest of us have made up our minds based on CCTV leaks.

Beg to differ here sir.

Father / Grand father have abducted the poor driver, threatened his family and luring him to take the blame.

Blood samples have been misplaced with the influence of these two.

God knows what else they are capable of, if they are free in this world.

Everything goes back to the way it was, for the rich and influential not even a minor dent. Just a 1 month of hardship nothing less.

Just imagine the current state of the 2 families who had lost their loved ones. They have lost their livelihood. They have lost one future generation.

But the audacity of the accused to claim the vehicle back when the impacted party is still mourning is something seems very unfair.

[Ays7]

Originally Posted by SideSwipe

Beg to differ here sir.

Father / Grand father have abducted the poor driver, threatened his family and luring him to take the blame.

Blood samples have been misplaced with the influence of these two.

God knows what else they are capable of, if they are free in this world.

Everything goes back to the way it was, for the rich and influential not even a minor dent. Just a 1 month of hardship nothing less.

Just imagine the current state of the 2 families who had lost their loved ones. They have lost their livelihood. They have lost one future generation.

But the audacity of the accused to claim the vehicle back when the impacted party is still mourning is something seems very unfair.

You forget one very essential thing - you have gotten all this from media reports and police reports which can be false and biased. That is why we do not have trail by media in this country. Whatever allegations have been made need to be proved in court of law.

Unless you are somehow suggesting that whatever is said by police and reported in media is gospel truth and there is no need to challenge that. The need here is a speedy trial rather than keeping persons in jails indefinitely without being pronounced guilty.

[Anonymous guy]

Originally Posted by Akash5653

I'm just wondering what they would do with the Porsche? Anybody?

Scrap the car or repair it and sell to new owner

[RonMasc'y]

That is so sad. I can't but think of the two lives that were lost that day as I drive pass the spot everyday. The banner with snaps of the two youth seeking for justice stayed up a few days and then just withered away. I think to myself how much more protest can one sustain against these rich and powerful. You are ought to give up as neither the law nor the lawmakers support you in the long run. You are left to a battle all by yourselves. All the media drama and hustle remains only for the first few days and later the family has to bear the grunt of it all. They are always on the loosing side. Gosh, when will this change?