[It's Magic]

Originally Posted by McLaren Rulez

Is the identity of these rich morons still unknown? .

Are you referring to the child who was driving and his father? If so, their identities were revealed on the second day itself. If you review a few earlier posts, you would know their details.

[GeeTee TSI]

What would be a more serious charge considering the plethora of other violations - Mowing down people under the influence, or in cold blood with full possesion of one's senses?

The Taycan was travelling so fast that it is hardly even a blur in the visuals (and it sends shudders to imagine such a sight in anyone's rear view mirror) with the outcome worse than a head on collision.

[Blue Thunder]

Originally Posted by ph03n!x

...is definitely a major catslyst, no doubt.

Election year dynamics is, IMO, also another major catalyst.

[Fornax]

Extremely disturbing incidence - especially being a parent, I cannot imagine being in the shoes of either the victims' or the perpetrators' parent.

Emotions are running high, so please pardon me if this comes across as insensitive at this point:

Few pertinent questions & thoughts:

1. Is there ANY road in India that allows driving above 120 kmph? If not, why can't we enforce a max limit on all vehicles sold in India - public or private?

2. Based on latest eye witness testimony - the girl was flung 15 feet into air and passed away immediately upon impact. Is our road ecosystem ready to handle such beasts that can inflict such gruesome deaths? No pedestrian safety whatsoever on this car? Why can't there be a vehicle fitness standard designed for our roads?

3. There is another report of Porsche engineers extracting telemetry and possibly forensic data - to determine whether the car was at fault. They were seen sitting inside the car freely, others are pushing the car with bare hands? Could the forensics be done so quickly or are we still in stone age wrt it?

4. The bike had just taken a U turn, and while I love cursing my BMC, they have ensured no one in suburbs drives so fast or buys a low clearance car. As speed bumps near U-Turns are so high, this car would've launched and landed at least 100 meters away! Isn’t it worth demanding bumps wherever U-Turns are allowed? (I know I'm gonna be instantly hated for saying this)

5. The CCTV grab (even assuming an FPS of 25) suggests a max-speed of 45 kmph (?!?). dx = max 0.5m & dt = 1/25 of sec...dx is determined by judging the length of the rickshaw which is roughly 1/2 the size of the Taycan. If in the ballpark, it makes such vehicles even more dangerous, as even though braking had brought down the speed, it still caused such carnage. (Please verify my calculations, it's late at night)

PS: Not just the corrupt system, but even technology worked for perpetrator. Feel especially bad about the victims as they are from my profession. So many dreams, gone in an instant!

[RunGaDa]

Originally Posted by GeeTee TSI

What would be a more serious charge considering the plethora of other violations - Mowing down people under the influence, or in cold blood with full possesion of one's senses?

The Taycan was travelling so fast that it is hardly even a blur in the visuals (and it sends shudders to imagine such a sight in anyone's rear view mirror) with the outcome worse than a head on collision.

It’s time to get high speed cameras. Our cameras are bullock cart speed. Also very poor placement of cameras in the area. When there was a hit and run in December 2018 in the same area.
Roads leading to and around pubs must have more cameras to catch any anti social activities.
But I think this is all wishful thinking.

[Wason4699]

I didn't want to get controversial but the fact remains that Justice in India is available only for the rich and the powerful.

[shivrajvp]

There's news that Defence lawyer has claimed a glitch in the car causing the car to go at high speeds! Is this even possible? Wouldn't there be any failsafe in such an expensive car? Can Porsche give in to this??
Porsche team has visited for inspection. Is it possible to bribe Porsche to accept the glitch claim??

[Turbanator]

Originally Posted by shivrajvp

There's news that Defence lawyer has claimed a glitch in the car causing the car to go at high speeds! Is this even possible?

It's possible, but meagre chances look like an afterthought. ECU should have data on speed, etc., from the car's start.

From the video, the car appears to be going at high speeds, which is possible when the driver is highly intoxicated. We don't know what types of things this guy had. I doubt his family would have gone so far out of the way had there been any such issue with the car.

[callmeneo]

Originally Posted by shivrajvp

There's news that Defence lawyer has claimed a glitch in the car causing the car to go at high speeds! Is this even possible? Wouldn't there be any failsafe in such an expensive car? Can Porsche give in to this??
Porsche team has visited for inspection. Is it possible to bribe Porsche to accept the glitch claim??

I do not think Porsche will do any such thing as accepting such a statement will give it media coverage not just in India but all over the world and the NTSB will/might pick up this news and ask some tough questions to Porsche . So I don't think so that this might happen .

[SR-71]

Originally Posted by careind

IBe it civil or Criminal, the same parties would go head to head

There is a pretty big difference between civil vs criminal trial. AFAIK criminal trials are always state vs accused only the civil trials are between two parties.

[ajmat]

Originally Posted by shivrajvp

There's news that Defence lawyer has claimed a glitch in the car causing the car to go at high speeds! Is this even possible? Wouldn't there be any failsafe in such an expensive car? Can Porsche give in to this??
Porsche team has visited for inspection. Is it possible to bribe Porsche to accept the glitch claim??

If this was the case, why the blood sample switch?

Additionally, the Porche can also claim that the driver was underaged and inadequately trained to handle such a car!

[ike]

Originally Posted by Fornax

2. Based on latest eye witness testimony - the girl was flung 15 feet into air and passed away immediately upon impact. Is our road ecosystem ready to handle such beasts that can inflict such gruesome deaths? No pedestrian safety whatsoever on this car? Why can't there be a vehicle fitness standard designed for our roads?

Pedestrian safety is not an all seasons guarantee for pedestrians going home safe, nobody is going to survive being hit by a 2.5 ton car at 150 KMPH. The problem here was clearly with the nut behind the wheels, not the car.

[amol4184]

Originally Posted by Fornax

2. Based on latest eye witness testimony - the girl was flung 15 feet into air and passed away immediately upon impact. Is our road ecosystem ready to handle such beasts that can inflict such gruesome deaths? No pedestrian safety whatsoever on this car? Why can't there be a vehicle fitness standard designed for our roads?

Taycan has pedestrian safety feature built into it wherein the hood of the car lifts a few inches and provides extra cushioning to the pedestrian hitting their head onto car's hood. Features like those are tested at under 40kmph and mainly aimed at low-ish speed impacts in urban areas (think zebra crossings/left-right yield for peds at intersections). I am pretty sure many other lux cars in India have this feature already built into them.

But this case is different. No current tech or feature can physically prevent a person flying into air when 2.5 ton mass driven by morons hits them from behind at 150kmph.

[Samarth 619]

Originally Posted by shivrajvp

There's news that Defence lawyer has claimed a glitch in the car causing the car to go at high speeds! Is this even possible? Wouldn't there be any failsafe in such an expensive car? Can Porsche give in to this??
Porsche team has visited for inspection. Is it possible to bribe Porsche to accept the glitch claim??

I don't think this will happen, because if it does, the entire industry will debate on switching back to full manual, non electronic mode.. it will be a long term loss as electronics are now inevitable on any vehicle, in some form or another.

Porsche will be at receiving end of a lot of hate from customers if it does. However, a random engineer here and there being bribed, can't be ruled out, although Porsche should be on its strict vigil.

Originally Posted by Fornax

5. The CCTV grab (even assuming an FPS of 25) suggests a max-speed of 45 kmph (?!?). dx = max 0.5m & dt = 1/25 of sec...dx is determined by judging the length of the rickshaw which is roughly 1/2 the size of the Taycan. If in the ballpark, it makes such vehicles even more dangerous, as even though braking had brought down the speed, it still caused such carnage. (Please verify my calcs, it's late at night)

I'm an amateur (as in, hobbyist, non-paid) photographer, and I wish to add my 2 cents. Due to the following reasons, the speed so inferred may not be correct:-

1. Rolling shutter effect is a common phenomenon in almost all cheaper cameras, means, the top most portion of the car in each frame is recorded first, then the bottom portion, although the gap is likely very few mili/microseconds.

2. Shutter speed is not always slowed to the maximum possible, specially so if the camera sensor is big and it is powerful enough to maintain high ISO's..
In day time, there's almost 100% chance that a frame grab is say, 1/500th of a second, while the video is still 30 or 60 fps..
This gives it the "stopped helicopter" effect or "stationary blades of a cutter" effect.
Most of these CCTV cameras have reasonable sized sensors with very less megapixels, 1-2MP in most cases, thus each pixel is huge, maybe upto 3 micrometers each, thus enabling high ISO night video record.

Plus, you see NDTV in 24 fps, while the camera might've recorded in 30 or 60 fps, if frame interpolation is used at any stage, then this will create a wrong result too.


Anyhow, I'm so speechless seeing this entire episode, I have nothing to say. So called modern era, and there's no value of lives unless they're rich. And such rampant corruption.

[RM Motorsports]

Things are getting murkier day by day.